Swift Boat Vets to set record straight

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Originally posted by Celtic

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Originally posted by Parkbandit
...And Celtic.. you are wasting your breath. Far too many people are living in the 9-10-01 world and are either oblivious or ignorant of the way the world works today.

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Yes, so it appears you are totally correct.

Ilvane, as for taxing the rich. LOL

80% of the taxes are collected from 20% of the "wealthiest" in the nation. The rest, 20% of the taxes come from the rest of the 80% of workers.

Let me give you a quick lesson on economy. When those top 20% get a tax break, they end up paying MORE in taxes then before the break. Why? Because they re-invest that tax break in several avenues that provide them with more income thereby making them pay MORE taxes.

Is it fair that someone in that bracket gets $2000 less in taxes then someone in the 80% group that gets $250 break?

In a word, yes.

However, taxing the "rich" will end up creating less in revenue for the government, thereby causing an even larger problem with respect to their spending.

Everyone is crying on how the economy is so bad, let me share something with you. Since 2000, the automobile industry has grown 5% in sales every year except in 2001 (9/11 mean anything to you?).

2003 and through the first quarter of 2004, Class 6-7 and 8 trucks have increased in sales nearly 25%. These are commercial trucks that are purchased by the so called "rich". Why are they buying these trucks? They've reinvested back into their companies, providing better vehicles for their employees to drive.

I've seen many small business owners expanding, adding on employees, adding on vehicles in the past 3 years that it was only a matter of time before it caught on.

Bush for 4 more years will return the economy to where we remember it in the 90's.

Ilvane, I don't know what you do for a living, but you really need to open your eyes and look around.

The economy is so robust its going to burst. Hence, the .25 and again .25 increases in the Fed.

Now, if you have run up some credit card debt, you're not going to be too happy, but overall, from my percpective, the economy is having a banner time of it in the automotive industry.

Oh! I almost forgot..

In case you're doubting me... Go read 8/13/2004 New York Times. They finally had to admit it today.



[Edited on 8-14-2004 by Celtic]

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It's hilarious when someone can look at the economy, say it's great and tell others to open their eyes.

The Economy may not be great but it isn't terrible either. I may not like Bush on foreign policy but I think Kerry would make a mess of the economy. He is a typical tax and spend Liberal, where is his economic plan? Why hasn't he released one to the media? How will he pay for all his promises?

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Originally posted by xtc
The Economy may not be great but it isn't terrible either. I may not like Bush on foreign policy but I think Kerry would make a mess of the economy. He is a typical tax and spend Liberal, where is his economic plan? Why hasn't he released one to the media? How will he pay for all his promises?

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Why do you call him a tax and spend liberal? Or are you just repeating what you've heard.

No I call him a tax and spend Liberal based on his voting record and on his platform. As well as he has released an economic plan or proposed budget.

John Kerry on taxes


• Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)
• Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
• Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
• Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
• Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
• Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
• Voted NO on $792B tax cuts. (Jul 1999)
• Voted NO on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
• Voted NO on FY99 tax cuts. (Apr 1998
“The Kerry-Edwards plan….will extend health care coverage to 95 percent of Americans”
This is spending money and a lot of it, he will have to raise taxes to meet this goal

Voted YES on continuing funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. (more spending)
Restore immigrant benefits lost in 1996 welfare reform
Raise minimum wage to $6.65 by next year, then higher. (Jan 2004)
Again this will cost in reduced jobs
Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997

Voted YES on welfare block grants.


John Kerry also wants to reward illegal immigrants for breaking the law with citizenship, which is a slap in the face to those immigrants who are lining up legally and it is stealing a spot from a legitimate immigrant applicant.

Trickle down economics brought us the glories of the Great Depression.

Family comes first. Most people think this. The game breaker for me is Iraq. Bush has never see war first hand. Kerry has. I am not picking a Bush for staying away from Veitnam. If I had the power to prevent my son from going to war, I sure the hell would. But we are at war. I got family there. I want the person that has the best cahnce of bringing them home safe and thats not Bush.

When you see your Mother and Grandmother crying because your brother is being sent there in 2 weeks, it breaks your heart. I feel deceived by this war. I was all for it, for the reason they gave us. Talk about flip flopping. I really don't want to go to a funeral over a lie.

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Originally posted by xtc
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Curious where you got that rather well ordered list. Kerry has hundreds of votes on many issues over the course of his Senate career.

Check out VoteSmart.org to see every vote by every senator over the past 10 years. The site has a wealth of information.

[Edited because... its Sunday. Yeah]

[Edited on 8-15-2004 by Backlash]

Suprised no one has jumped on this yet.

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Kerry Condemns Ad Attacking Bush Service

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Shoe is on the other foot now. So Kerry does denounce the MoveOn.org ad... And what happens? He gets blasted for it and called a flip-flopper. Sick and twisted.

lol I may not like Bush on The Patriot Act, which does away with the Magna Carta which is hundreds of years old. The man has decimated Civil Rights. I hate the war in Iraq and I think Bush was a fool to go there, it had nothing to do with Sept 11.

BUT

I don't trust Kerry, and I don't think he is a leader. I think I would like to see Kerry as President, but not a Democratic majority in the house. A little balance would be nice. I so wish John McCain had been the Repub candidate in 2000.

Ah just though I would post this..

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Seems another Bush administration friend is helping out that group.

-A