Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Solkern

It’s not a great incentive. Why? Lifting sanctions won’t change anything, and the EU won’t lift sanctions.

Companies don’t trust Russia. Russia isn’t a large market for most foreign companies. No one trust Putin, or the Russian government.

If the war ended tomorrow and magically all sanctions got lifted. Unless they got a major influx of cash from foreign governments, their economy would collapse. No country wants to, or can support Russia post war, that includes China.

My wife’s city, 70% of the city lost their jobs. It’s the 4th largest city in Russia.

Russia won’t return all seized assets and money, we both know that. Their planes are on forced confiscation, Boeing and airbus wont help them.

Their entire economy is driven just by the war, the Russians that fled? Won’t return, the labor shortages won’t be solved by the war ending, they don’t have money to support, fix and rebuild the territory they took.

Russia loses no matter what. Putin is just delaying the inevitable.

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I’d love to buy some Russian AKs and cheap Russian ammo again. Just saying…

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Had the western Allies started fighting against the Soviet Union when they met in Germany, would you concede WW2 did not end with Germany’s surrender? Sure they started talking about what to do about Germany post-war in 43, but it really didn’t start coming together as a settled solution until Potsdam.

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I would agree that WW2 would still be raging if that happened. But it didn’t.

Discussing logistics after the war ended, is inconsequential. The war ended. Negotiations or discussions happening after the war has already stopped couldn’t possibly be the reason for the war to be over, as they happened afterwards.

Potsdam was about managing defeated Germany.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I’d love to buy some Russian AKs and cheap Russian ammo again. Just saying…

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Hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I would agree that WW2 would still be raging if that happened. But it didn’t.

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You believe that WW2 would still be raging, 80 years later?

What?

You didn't beat Backlash for the dumbest post in this thread.. but I give you an A for effort for trying.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I’d love to buy some Russian AKs and cheap Russian ammo again. Just saying…

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Yeah, missing those spam cans honestly . . .

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I would agree that WW2 would still be raging if that happened. But it didn’t.

Discussing logistics after the war ended, is inconsequential. The war ended. Negotiations or discussions happening after the war has already stopped couldn’t possibly be the reason for the war to be over, as they happened afterwards.

Potsdam was about managing defeated Germany.

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lol no. The Soviets were a pretty fucked up Army, they were able to keep going because the Germans were even more fucked. The US Military alone had the same number of troops as the Soviets.

The Allies, namely the US, were ever ramping up production and had Jets hitting the sky. The M26 Pershing was on the way in. Oh, also the Atomic Bomb.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

lol no. The Soviets were a pretty fucked up Army, they were able to keep going because the Germans were even more fucked. The US Military alone had the same number of troops as the Soviets.

The Allies, namely the US, were ever ramping up production and had Jets hitting the sky. The M26 Pershing was on the way in. Oh, also the Atomic Bomb.

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Yeah, the Pershing was a stone cold killer. This was what the T-34s and KV-1s would have been facing. The 90mm gun, better armor, better speed, better engine power and over all tough reliability would have wiped out the Soviets in a hurry. When they engaged tank on tank in Korea, the story is clear. And yeah, with our air power ramped up and the increased accuracy of ground strike along with the absolutly insane industrial power fully online and more coming along every day, we really should have taken them out.

https://youtu.be/F_X2bJCCH4Q?si=voPQVqXCJFMM4QXI

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Yeah, the Pershing was a stone cold killer. This was what the T-34s and KV-1s would have been facing. The 90mm gun, better armor, better speed, better engine power and over all tough reliability would have wiped out the Soviets in a hurry. When they engaged tank on tank in Korea, the story is clear. And yeah, with our air power ramped up and the increased accuracy of ground strike along with the absolutly insane industrial power fully online and more coming along every day, we really should have taken them out.

https://youtu.be/F_X2bJCCH4Q?si=voPQVqXCJFMM4QXI

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There is an after action that has a Pershing knocking out a Tiger I at over 900 yards before taking out the 2 panzer IVs that were with it. And then a single Super Pershing was sent in and just wrecked all sorts of stuff.

The US Industrial capacity was at the point where these could have replaced every single Sherman in use within the year.

Plus, we'd have had Patton leading.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

There is an after action that has a Pershing knocking out a Tiger I at over 900 yards before taking out the 2 panzer IVs that were with it. And then a single Super Pershing was sent in and just wrecked all sorts of stuff.

The US Industrial capacity was at the point where these could have replaced every single Sherman in use within the year.

Plus, we'd have had Patton leading.

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I’m partial to the Tiger II tanks, but by the time those were produced Germany was already losing badly & their production capacity was a fraction of the United States. The Soviet Union’s IS tanks were inferior dog poop.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I’m partial to the Tiger II tanks, but by the time those were produced Germany was already losing badly & their production capacity was a fraction of the United States. The Soviet Union’s IS tanks were inferior dog poop.

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Tiger IIs and Pershings were so rare, they never met, however, a PErshing probably would have fucking annihilated it. They could penetrate 13 inches of steel armor at 100 yards. The thickest part of a Tiger II was 7.3 inches of armor.