Climate Change Report

from the co-founder of green peace's mouth.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/327239008...#sp=show-clips

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Originally Posted by Keller

I can't decide which is more of a certainty - that the earth has been changing its climate since it was formed, or that we're going to have to go through this argument once every 527 days.

Florida could be covered in 18 inches of snow in the middle of July and PB would say that we're just in the middle of a natural cycle.

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You would make the claim that the 18" of snow in the middle of July in Florida is a result of man made global warming though.

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

from the co-founder of green peace's mouth.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/327239008...#sp=show-clips

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FAUX N3WZ!

I bet Patrick Moore sold out to BIG OIL!

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Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay

I didn't cherry pick anything. All of those sources are also the same organizations that NAS/IPCC get their info from. I just didn't make dire predictions and then alter the data to fit my narrative. I pulled data sets for different locations and regions in order to show how random temperature has been over the years, the last 100 to be exact, in a "global" phenoma, you'd think you would see warming at least a little bit everywhere. But you'd be wrong. The only consistent warming trend that shows any kind of realistic rise is in very developed areas. You can go play with the data sets yourself. NOAA is widely regarded by IPCC and NAS, neither of whom actually do anything but compile data from actual scientists.

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This is from the NASA report that you linked.

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Parkinson said that the fact that some areas of the Southern Ocean are cooling and producing more sea ice does not disprove a warming climate.

"Climate does not change uniformly: The Earth is very large and the expectation definitely would be that there would be different changes in different regions of the world,” Parkinson said. "That's true even if overall the system is warming.” Another recent NASA study showed that Antarctic sea ice slightly thinned from 2003 to 2008, but increases in the extent of the ice balanced the loss in thickness and led to an overall volume gain.

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

from the co-founder of green peace's mouth.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/327239008...#sp=show-clips

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Do you really watch that stuff? Those people were all idiots. How can you stand it?

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

Do you really watch that stuff? Those people were all idiots. How can you stand it?

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Probably less idiotic than your pals at MSNBC though.

I don't watch msnbc either.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

So... Unless you're a woman that's carried a child, you won't value someone's stance on abortion?
If you have never received welfare, you won't value their critique of the process?
So until we've passed congressional budgets, we shouldn't be making comments about how effective a president is?
Until we're all Dayko, you won't listen to opinions on gay marriage?

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That's even stupider then usual for you.

Not saying much though.

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

Do you really watch that stuff? Those people were all idiots. How can you stand it?

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Years of training in the PC political folder.

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Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay

1. Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. Politicians have needlessly made it so.

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Something that needlessly exists still exists.

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2. Humans are changing the earth's climate. No. You can't prove that at all. No one has been able to thus far. A 50 PPM change in C02 in something that makes up .0039% of the Atmosphere seems slightly ludicrous doesn't it?

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Humans are net producers of CO2 as opposed to net consumers, therefore humans are changing the earth's climate. I have no idea what your question has to do with anything, or even what it's asking. Judging by your later posts, you are saying that the magnitude is too large to be plausible, in a sense using the smell test? That is not a scientific thing to do.

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We can however show that the Urban Heat Island effect does in fact change overall data. And it's been removed from the latest IPCC reports as an "anomaly," which sounds pretty bogus to me.

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I say humans are changing the earth's climate, you cite a case of humans changing the earth's climate. How is this a disagreement?

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3. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed, sea levels have risen, Arctic ice is declining. The GRACE program through the University of Texas with a little help from NASA have shown that the changing gravitational field around the Earth has more effect on Sea Level than the theory of man-made global warming. http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/gallery/gravity/

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Ah, I see now. It's not the first paragraph you disagree with at all, it's that you assume the explanation they give for man being the primary causer is nonsense. It's too bad you don't actually look at that explanation, you might even change your mind.