US Oil Producers Fail to Produce

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So they can dump their low MPG vehicles from their fleets, create vehicles which use alternative fuels to get an artificial boost to their average, create electric vehicles which get 200+ MPG equivalent, and use credits from prior years where they exceeded the minimum to use towards the future where they don't meet the required minimum, all of which doesn't make cars more fuel efficient. Or car makers can just pay the penalty for not achieving the minimum standard, which some automakers do.

Like I said it's a misleading requirement.

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The MPG is still based on total miles driven. They'll have to put a LOT more miles on their high MPG vehicles to counterbalance poor performers. That costs money. They'll look at dumping those poor performers. It isn't misleading. It is still calculated total miles driven (of all vehicles) / gasoline consumption = MPG.

There are no "credits" mentioned by the NHTSA so I have no idea where you are getting that idea from.

Also, included, automakers are REQUIRED to have every light duty vehicle have at least a 49 MPG average by 2026. That isn't even corporate fleets, that is every single vehicle made in that category.

Something further to note, your example of a giant SUV getting 10 MPG wouldn't be covered, as they are considered heavy duty vehicles. This legislation only targets passenger cars and light trucks, hence, light duty vehicles.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

The MPG is still based on total miles driven. They'll have to put a LOT more miles on their high MPG vehicles to counterbalance poor performers. That costs money. They'll look at dumping those poor performers. It isn't misleading. It is still calculated total miles driven (of all vehicles) / gasoline consumption = MPG.

There are no "credits" mentioned by the NHTSA so I have no idea where you are getting that idea from.

Also, included, automakers are REQUIRED to have every light duty vehicle have at least a 49 MPG average by 2026. That isn't even corporate fleets, that is every single vehicle made in that category.

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Yes an average, there is no way a car is going to get 49 MPG in a couple of years unless it’s a hybrid or an electric vehicle, cars not everyone can afford nor have the easy means to charge it.

Assuming you’re referring to the CAFE then yes they can roll over credits from years where they exceeded the minimum to years where they don’t meet the minimum.

All I said is it’s misleading, because it is. People think these regulations means every car sold has to meet these minimums. You’re saying it’s not misleading because you know it refers to fleet averages.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Yes an average, there is no way a car is going to get 49 MPG in a couple of years unless it’s a hybrid or an electric vehicle, cars not everyone can afford nor have the easy means to charge it.

Assuming you’re referring to the CAFE then yes they can roll over credits from years where they exceeded the minimum to years where they don’t meet the minimum.

All I said is it’s misleading, because it is. People think these regulations means every car sold has to meet these minimums. You’re saying it’s not misleading because you know it refers to fleet averages.

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It points to an overall higher efficient fleet. You may say it is misleading, but the end goal is still going to happen. MPG rates have been going up for years.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Yes an average, there is no way a car is going to get 49 MPG in a couple of years unless it’s a hybrid or an electric vehicle, cars not everyone can afford nor have the easy means to charge it.

Assuming you’re referring to the CAFE then yes they can roll over credits from years where they exceeded the minimum to years where they don’t meet the minimum.

All I said is it’s misleading, because it is. People think these regulations means every car sold has to meet these minimums. You’re saying it’s not misleading because you know it refers to fleet averages.

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There's many times over more conventional motor vehicles that are more expensive than your standard hybrid or electric. Meanwhile some manufacturers are still eligible for electric vehicle credits, while others would have had more credits available if Republicans weren't so in bed with Big Oil.

25k for a Hyundai plug in hybrid. Average 50mpg. Not only is the car incredibly affordable, but the annual gas savings will pay a significant portion of the vehicle.

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Originally Posted by Seran

the annual gas savings will pay a significant portion of the vehicle.

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Sure with Biden doing his best to make gas be as expensive as possible. If he were a normal president who actually cared about his citizens suffering and didn't insist on 4+ dollars per gallon of gas as the "new normal" then no.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Sure with Biden doing his best to make gas be as expensive as possible. If he were a normal president who actually cared about his citizens suffering and didn't insist on 4+ dollars per gallon of gas as the "new normal" then no.

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Except he's doing everything reasonably possible thing he can to lower gas prices in reality, and congressional Republicans and Big Oil are doing their damndest to block or counter everything he tries.

Releasing a million barrels per day from SPR
- Oil analysts and commodities brokers shrug it off as not being enough to counteract the loss of Russian oil. Nevermind there isn't an oil shortage.

Biden tries to put pass fuel efficient vehicle credits and expand electric vehicle infrastructure.
-Congressional Republicans block it.

Biden points out there's thousands of unused minerals leases that Big Oil is sitting on and half completed wells not finished due to Big Oil wishing to limit supply to maintain prices.
- Republicans and commodities brokers alike shriek themselves hoarse that the specter of nonexistent oil rules or policies are preventing oil production.

The oil price jump is artificial and its been manipulated higher to benefit the pockets of oil producers and refiners. Who are making outrageously high profits by literally stealing it from everyday Americans.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Sure with Biden doing his best to make gas be as expensive as possible. If he were a normal president who actually cared about his citizens suffering and didn't insist on 4+ dollars per gallon of gas as the "new normal" then no.

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What exactly is Biden doing to make the gas prices so expensive?

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Originally Posted by drauz

What exactly is Biden doing to make the gas prices so expensive?

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Oh come on.

I love it.

Democrats: Biden can't do anything to affect the price of gas! He doesn't have that power! It doesn't matter if he closed federal lands to future oil drilling!
Biden: I'm opening up federal land for more oil drilling to help reduce the price of oil.
Democrats: I'm still not seeing it!!!!

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Originally Posted by Seran

Except he's doing everything reasonably possible thing he can to lower gas prices in reality, and congressional Republicans and Big Oil are doing their damndest to block or counter everything he tries.

Releasing a million barrels per day from SPR
- Oil analysts and commodities brokers shrug it off as not being enough to counteract the loss of Russian oil. Nevermind there isn't an oil shortage.

Biden tries to put pass fuel efficient vehicle credits and expand electric vehicle infrastructure.
-Congressional Republicans block it.

Biden points out there's thousands of unused minerals leases that Big Oil is sitting on and half completed wells not finished due to Big Oil wishing to limit supply to maintain prices.
- Republicans and commodities brokers alike shriek themselves hoarse that the specter of nonexistent oil rules or policies are preventing oil production.

The oil price jump is artificial and its been manipulated higher to benefit the pockets of oil producers and refiners. Who are making outrageously high profits by literally stealing it from everyday Americans.

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Wait.

...are you trying to say that Biden isn't trying to drive up gas prices?

But that's not what my favorite alt right hate mongers are saying about him.

Something doesn't add up here.