Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You know, during the Covid situation, when the entire economy, country and people were struggling, we were still giving Ukraine more than 400m+ a year of lethal military, and economic aid, during the Trump administration, why weren’t you up in arms about that?

Why does spending all of a sudden matter now? Is it because it’s the Biden administration, or what? Our country was in a far far worse state during Covid than it is now.

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Our treasury shits $400 million for breakfast. $125 billion in roughly one year is a much bigger number. We’re both in the financial service industry and understand that difference.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Our treasury shits $400 million for breakfast. $125 billion in roughly one year is a much bigger number. We’re both in the financial service industry and understand that difference.

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While I 100% agree with you. Still, 400m sent to Ukraine, when we could have used that money back home to help get our country through that Covid shit storm, would have been better right?

And still 125b is what? .5% if you go against our of our GDP? Some would say that’s a drop in the bucket as well.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Do you see where your weak argument makes you look silly.. or no?

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Obviously you have trouble with reading, go back and read my very first sentence and tell me what it says.

Giving $1 and giving $1928372882 both mean you support it, does it not?

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45008

Go ahead and jump to page 32.
Foreign and Military Aid
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the United States began to provide higher levels of annual assistance to Ukraine across multiple accounts. From FY2015 to FY2020, State Department and USAID bilateral aid allocations to Ukraine (including foreign military financing, or FMF) totaled about $418 million a year on average (see Table 1). For FY2021, State Department and USAID allocations to Ukraine totaled about $464 million, including $115 million in FME. 162 The President's FY2022 State/USAID request for Ukraine is about $459 million.

Trump has given almost around 1.6B to Ukraine during his presidency, that’s not including his special military packages… that’s like $1 right?

You all were complaining that Biden was spending money for Ukraine, how come none of you did when Trump was doing it?

Next, you do realize that Obama provided zero lethal aid to Ukraine? It was actually Trump who started to provide lethal aid to Ukraine first. A clear sign of escalation and participation to the ongoing crisis.

Lethal and Nonlethal Security Assistance
The Obama Administration provided nonlethal security assistance to Ukraine, due to concerns about potential conflict escalation. 167 Such assistance included "body armor, helmets, vehicles, night and thermal vision devices, heavy engineering equipment, advanced radios, patrol boats, rations, tents, counter-mortar radars, uniforms, first aid equipment and supplies, and other related items. Both the Trump and Biden Administrations have provided nonlethal aid and defensive lethal weaponry to Ukraine.

Finally, the offensive aid that Biden has given to Ukraine, is strictly to take back its land, not to attack Russia.

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So... no.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Anyways, while I can agree, generally speaking, Trump was a relatively peaceful president, so was Clinton and others. To say he was the most peaceful since Ford or whoever, just isn’t true in my opinion.

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That's where you are incorrect. It wasn't an opinion, it was literally a statement of fact.

I get that your TDS clouds your judgement, but whatever your opinion is on the subject is meaningless. I mean, you just literally stated whether they give $1 or $1928372882 they are both equally supportive.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

While I 100% agree with you. Still, 400m sent to Ukraine, when we could have used that money back home to help get our country through that Covid shit storm, would have been better right?

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Yes and no.

Like I said, I’m not totally opposed to helping the Ukrainians in this war. Back then it was also a deterrence to war. The issue becomes at what cost. $400 million seems reasonable to me. $30 billion in aid sounds more reasonable to me since the war started. We have become Ukraine’s sugar daddy/mama.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

That's where you are incorrect. It wasn't an opinion, it was literally a statement of fact.

I get that your TDS clouds your judgement, but whatever your opinion is on the subject is meaningless. I mean, you just literally stated whether they give $1 or $1928372882 they are both equally supportive.

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I’ll only try once, let’s see if you can do it PB.
I’m going to ask you a yes or no question, do you think you have the brain power to answer it with a yes or a no? I’m going to assume no, but let’s give it a try.

If I donate $1 to support Trump, and you donate $27637272 to support Trump, do we both support Trump?


Since I know you are not capable of answering basic questions. I’ll answer it for you.
Yes, we both support Trump.

How much we gave Trump, aren’t comparable, but that doesn’t mean we don’t both support Trump.

I know you still didn’t get it.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You know, during the Covid situation, when the entire economy, country and people were struggling, we were still giving Ukraine more than 400m+ a year of lethal military, and economic aid, during the Trump administration, why does it matter now, but didn’t matter before? Because NO ONE complained once about what we were giving Ukraine during Covid.

Why does spending all of a sudden matter now? Is it because it’s the Biden administration, or what? Our country was in a far far worse state during Covid than it is now.

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400 million is not even in the same zipcode as 125 billion.

Let's put it in perspective for a moment. 400 million seconds from now is the year 2036. 125 billion seconds from now is the year 2390.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the US spending billions of dollars in aid to other countries.. sign me up. I don't believe we should be spending US taxpayer dollars in some gigantic charity the way we do now.

But comparing that to what we have spent on Ukraine since Russia invaded them is.. silly.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

I’ll only try once, let’s see if you can do it PB.
I’m going to ask you a yes or no question, do you think you have the brain power to answer it with a yes or a no? I’m going to assume no, but let’s give it a try.

If I donate $1 to support Trump, and you donate $27637272 to support Trump, do we both support Trump?


Since I know you are not capable of answering basic questions. I’ll answer it for you.
Yes, we both support Trump.

How much we gave Trump, aren’t comparable, but that doesn’t mean we don’t both support Trump.

I know you still didn’t get it.

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No. If you donate $1 vs. donating $27,736,272 is not the same support at all. It's not even close and to make that argument is retarded.

You are doing that retard shit again that you always, always fall back to when you are proven wrong... you are all "I know it's not comparable.. but it's really comparable"

It's not.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Yes and no.

Like I said, I’m not totally opposed to helping the Ukrainians in this war. Back then it was also a deterrence to war. The issue becomes at what cost. $400 million seems reasonable to me. $30 billion in aid sounds more reasonable to me since the war started. We have become Ukraine’s sugar daddy/mama.

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We have spent more on Ukraine's defense than all other countries combined and then some:

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/27278.jpeg

And this doesn't include weapons, ammunition or equipment.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Clinton reduced our military budget. Some see that as a good thing, and for that time in history I generally agree. The budget surplus really helped to give us some good years of economic prosperity in the 90s. Some would argue that it also left us open for attack (9/11) and our military was ill-equipped when GWOT (global war on terror) kicked off.

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I personally would lean on the side of at that time, the budget cuts did a lot of good for the economy and the country.

You can’t predict a 9/11 thing to happen almost a year after he left office. I also don’t think his military cuts had anything to do with 9/11. 9/11 was a CIA/FBI/Homeland security thing. Not a military thing in my opinion.