More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Except they don't stop being citizens until the day they themselves renounce it. They lose a few rights, sure, but they are still US Citizens. Some of them do their time and get out of jail, and after that what country do you think their passport is from?

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That is incorrect.

It all depends on the type of felony, if they are on probation or parole and a host of other factors. Even getting a passport is no guarantee you can get into a country.England is extremely strict about criminals entering their country.

In a lot of states you also lose your right to vote, to own a gun, to adopt,to receive professional licensing and to even live in public housing.

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Originally Posted by kutter

Latrin, no offense but your logic is rather fuzzy, clearly people can be ideologues, in fact, I would submit that the person in the White House is a perfect example of one:

i·de·o·logue
ˈīdēəˌlôg,-ˌläg,ˈidēə-/Submit
noun
1.
an adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic

He is the very epitome of uncompromising and dogmatic. Is anyone on here an ideologue, who can say for sure, but based upon comments some make I would say so and that goes for both sides of the coin.

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What ideology do you believe the President is an adherent of?

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Originally Posted by Ravenwood

That is incorrect.

It all depends on the type of felony, if they are on probation or parole and a host of other factors. Even getting a passport is no guarantee you can get into a country.England is extremely strict about criminals entering their country.

In a lot of states you also lose your right to vote, to own a gun, to adopt,to receive professional licensing and to even live in public housing.

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First of all, your grasp of basic US law reminds me of Micheal J Fox with an etch-a-sketch, which is to say shaky at best and probably completely blank. Being convicted of a felony in no way strips a person of their citizenship.

Second, you missed the point of my post. Wrathbringer helped spell it out for you.

Third, how was the fun run??

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Originally Posted by Ravenwood

All I know is that 44 years of life plus the cumulative teaching of my grandparents and parents tells me that almost everything that liberals supposedly stand for is wrong.

Thats enough for me.

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Originally Posted by Ravenwood

That is incorrect.

It all depends on the type of felony, if they are on probation or parole and a host of other factors. Even getting a passport is no guarantee you can get into a country.England is extremely strict about criminals entering their country.

In a lot of states you also lose your right to vote, to own a gun, to adopt,to receive professional licensing and to even live in public housing.

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You're 44 and still this stupid? Your daddy and granddaddy have failed you.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

You're 44 and still this stupid? Your daddy and granddaddy have failed you.

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Maybe he meant 44 to life in a federal penitentiary? No, that doesn't fit, he'd know more law from all the appeals he'd have filed.

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

Maybe he meant 44 to life in a federal penitentiary? No, that doesn't fit, he'd know more law from all the appeals he'd have filed.

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Could be dog years.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is it fair to say that most if not all of our Presidents are this way? Hell, I bet the Presidents ultimately have more in common with each other than they do with their party. You could probably draw comparisons between Bush and Obama that show a greater similarity than with Obama and the democrats, or Bush and the GOP during his terms.

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Typically. It's why he's very average to me as a President. He's not the Great Satan or the Messiah. He's a human, like one of the ones that Latrin references.

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Originally Posted by Ravenwood

That is incorrect.

It all depends on the type of felony, if they are on probation or parole and a host of other factors. Even getting a passport is no guarantee you can get into a country.England is extremely strict about criminals entering their country.

In a lot of states you also lose your right to vote, to own a gun, to adopt,to receive professional licensing and to even live in public housing.

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You do not lose citizenship from felonies. You lose rights, yes. You do not lose citizenship. Felons may not beable to vote, but they can still run for US Congress and President as well.

What? Did you think they stripped felons of citizenship and made the citizens of no nation?

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

What ideology do you believe the President is an adherent of?

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lib·er·al·ism noun \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
: belief in the value of social and political change in order to achieve progress

The problem is that it is their definition of progress, not everyone's. I would not say that bigger government and more people on government subsidies is progress but he clearly would disagree.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

His early willingness to compromise is one of the greatest failures of his administration.

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I am curious exactly where your belief is that he compromised on anything significant?