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Originally Posted by BriarFox
I went back through the discord looking for those conversations, and from what I can tell, Wyrom said to BUG it in game. Then, by the time Nodyre asked about it being a bug in mid August, the staff had already been investigating and had a "list". They might have considered it too little, too late. Alternatively, they could have just said 'warn them all and move on'. Maybe a little of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
I don't think your analogy works here, @Mobius1.
GM Naos explicitly directed players to experiment with the new system to see what could & could not now be enchanted. To extend your thinking: Simutronics owns the property and invited paying guests in to open doors, rummage through dresser-drawers, and use the restrooms. It's fairly absurd for them to blame their paying guests when one of them clogs the toilet.
Simutronics *must* be responsible for clearly setting their boundaries in an easily-accessible, searchable, and structured manner. The wiki, sadly, is not that – especially considering that the new enchanting page has not been touched by a single staff member since it was created. And the official forums and discord are not cutting-the-mustard either!
Where did Wyrom said to BUG the krodera sword, Taernath? I just looked again and couldn't find it. If you look in the #mechanics thread on the official Discord, the sword was discussed on March 14th with most everyone being entirely unclear about exactly what krodera is all about. Wyrom's only reply that I can see is that it's "veil iron-esque" (in the #gm-questions thread) – and my experience with veil iron is that it is found at enchantments above +25 in the treasure system and can even be sanctified and flared.
Well, again, I can't speak for what evidence they have, any it may very well be the case that in some instances of warnings, it was unfounded. I certainly can't speak for you in your case, at any rate, in regards to whether or not you were guilty of what they accused you of.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
But I do think my analogy is fair. It's like that show Bait Car - They may leave the car running with the keys in the ignition and the door unlocked in a bad neighborhood. But driving off with the car is still theft. Whereas some people will take the keys out of the ignition, and try to look around for the owner - These are like the people who BUG it, or ask the GMs on Discord (Like the guy I heard ask.).
But in your case, a more fitting analogy might be that your neighbor left the lid off their garbage can, and busted you for taking some trash out of it. I'd say busting you in this case would be extreme. Sure, you could have asked your neighbor, but come on?
History has shown that there's more to it on the Simu side of things, which is why I take issue with them reacting the way they are. The last scenario something like this happened in was when they accidentally sold 6x HCP/HCW items off the shelf at DR. Wyrom lied up and down saying it would crash the market if they left those items there, when in reality all they wanted to do was release the smithy a couple months later to squeeze a few extra dollars out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius1
This stinks exactly like that. Like they left those things different from other materials because they're planning on releasing cash shop enchants for them in a few months but forgot to check the box in the code so they weren't enchantable by players.
Time will tell on it obviously, but it's something they've done before. They come up with BS excuses in the moment and then wait a few months for everyone to forget about it. So yes, I am erring on the side of "fuck them", because what they say can't be trusted.
For the record, I don't like HotA either, but not for anything to do with this issue.
Oh, they're *clearly* working on an enchantment version of the Smithy. Enchanting coraesine deprived them of future incremental revenue, and that wrong must be righted!
The bullshit works in both directions, like "Guild nights are the cause of the lag".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumplicker
The lag I don't blame HotA for. That's just poor design. A few of them being dicks about it is on them, but why I don't like them is that they're 95% afk scripting and also firing hundreds of dollars every Reim night into orbs and thus get special treatment for it. Simu looked everywhere but at that revenue stream as the "cause" of the lag. There's no question what's causing the lag.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnOrdim
Wow, another AotA getting a warning...shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Bottom line - your MHO is corrupt and those involved should have banned.
When Dreaven found that a large number of people getting spells in one room crashed the game and/or caused lag he changed his actions. When the HoTA did/does it they laugh at everyone else and cry about how there is no other way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumplicker
It's really that simple.
Dreaven even went further and refined his scripts to reduce actions with little to no impact on the service he was providing. A single fucking person made more an effort to help the game more successfully than the proclaimed "Best of gemstone" all jammed together who are only out for themselves.
The whole MHO is GMA when they lag the instance to farm REIM. And it's not only allowed, but sanctioned and protected by the top shit head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Clearly I'm an evildoer, Fortybox. You're 100% right about this. No doubt about it. Have a lovely day!
More deflection - answer the allegations Simu is making.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
I didn't realize how SERIOUS BUSINESS this thread was.
What allegations do I need to answer for, Fortybox? Please clarify and I'm happy to do so.
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Originally Posted by AnOrdim
Perfect example. My thoughts exactly.
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Originally Posted by AnOrdim
$$$ talks - it’s as simple as that.
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Don't worry, I've been accused of deflection three times I think in this thread, and I don't even play.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
He did answer you, as did everyone else: You just don't like the answer.
But please, Your Dubious Honor, continue trying us in your Court of the PC on the basis of wild speculations. We are all here at your pleasure. How many silvers did I make off this fiasco again? I can't remember my bank account balance.
I think you mean, "When Dreaven was told his rampant botting and use of Rapid Fire to spell up 200 people at once were causing problems, he changed his tactics so he could continue asking people to give him money through his Patreon," don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnOrdim
Simu alleges the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
1. Those warned were AWARE that this was a bug
2. COLLUDED with others
3. FAILED to report the bug
4. Continued to ABUSE the bug
How do you respond to those 4 points? And spare me the Simu is stupid because they rolled out enchanting before it was finished. We all know that and is not pertinent to the 4 points above.
What is pertinent is how people responded once they knew this was a bug. That’s why the warning was issued.
None because you got caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Right, right, but how many silvers was I *going* to make? My estimates might have been off and I need you to correct them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Dreaven didn't start offering a patreon until recently, comparatively to how long he's been doing it. When it first started years ago he could crash the whole game world with how many people were outside the bank. Every time an issue, real or not, was brought up, he addressed it so that it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
The drivel you just spouted is a perfect example of the bullshit narratives that you come up with to attack others while never facing any real repercussions for your actions, aka "The status quo".
I can only speak for myself, sir, but I'm happy to answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
1. I was not aware that enchanting krodera under the new system was a bug, especially since the sword could be enchanted under the OLD system, too.
2. I did not collude with anyone. I hired enchanters to work on my sword. None of them had any concerns that the item was buggy since it was from the '90s.
3. I *proactively* alerted staff to the fact I was enchanting this sword on August 15th via the official discord once I was made aware of the -999 material difficulty entry on the wiki.
4. There was no continued abuse at all after this point. I didn't even touch the sword.
Hope that helps to assuage your concerns.
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Originally Posted by BriarFox
This is why I don’t like you. Regardless of what you think about Dreaven, he acted in a manner that resolved the solution.
Your stupid organization on the other hand didn’t and it took Wyrom posting about why the lag was the way it was to actually admit you were the problem.
Lastly, you’re a hypocrite for taking shots at Dreaven for getting Patreons for his service. You are pretty much the most overpriced merchant selling crap here on PC. STFU with your hypocrisy.
Thank you for addressing. If this is true, then Coase shouldn’t have given you a warning unless he cited some other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
You're very welcome!
And Coase did not cite any other reason in the consultation lounge (or at any other time). He didn't even seem to realize the weapon was as old as it was, nor did he realize it was blessable, too.
With this in mind, I would encourage you to keep an open mind that the other folks caught up in these GMA warnings may also not be as shady as you imagine them to be. That's entirely up to you, of course, but consider it food for thought.
Why do you hate capitalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
First, I think Wyrom knows what he's talking about when he says what causes lag more than you do, don't you? Second, HoA has worked with GMs to provide data, changed nights, split groups, and made a variety of other modifications to help mitigate lag. What you really mean is that you like what Dreaven does, so it's cool, but you don't like HoA or Reim, so it's not -- isn't that what you're getting at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Did you email feedback?Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
I don’t have an issue with capitalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I think you're dangerously close to getting everyone that was on your side to turn on you. That's where I'm at right now. Your group causes massive amounts of lag and you sound suspiciously close to denying that fact right now. If you go that route, you're gonna find zero support. Walk it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
You’re the only person so far in this thread that has actually addressed the issues Simu brought up. I’d address it through feedback. Hopefully Wyrom is reading this thread (we all know he is) and will do something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
ROFL. Sanctimonious much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumplicker
No, not really. Nor was I there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
They love to cling to that original first bullshit answer of "It's guild night causing it" while ignoring all the posts from other members crying about how hard it is to split up groups over different dates and times. It's "not as efficient if we do smaller groups".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumplicker
Apparently no one in HoTA is capable of recognizing cause and effect - Jamming a bunch of people casting AOE spells over and over is causing other people to complain about lag, just like invasions that we know cause lag, better keep doing it because it makes our group happy!
Then they got an "out" from the bullshit answer of "it looks like its guild night causing the lag" and rode that one to death before it finally came out that it is in fact a game engine issue with too many command inputs in a short period of time.
It's a problem with the game, and instead of stopping it they keep going, abusing a known game issue.
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Originally Posted by BriarFox
Wrong. I don’t like lag in game (it affects my ability to play) and your organizations jerky response to it.
That’s why many don’t like you all.
@merzbow: I had a one-on-one discussion with Wyrom late last week. He promised to get back to me at a later date.
@Stumplicker: Putting aside BriarFox's rightfully-frustrated tone, I can attest that the HOA group has done a *number* of things to try and alleviate our contribution to lag. We split up our groups on Farm Nights (which are really the only time lag occurs), we asked staff for input on how to modify our attack routines to avoid triggering the server woes, and we even suggested they cap Reim entry like they do for other quests. At this point, I'm not quite sure what else you'd like the group to do. Also, to clear up a misconception, most of the HOA group activities revolve around warcamping and bandit bounties these days. We have a very active discord announcement channel and love doing ad-hoc group hunts.
I only mention this because that's what I find most enjoyable about the game: group hunting. HOA is a wonderful group of people and they really do care about the game's well-being, despite what some may think of it or individual members. I wholeheartedly invite you all to join us for bandits or warcamps if you'd like. I assure you that you'll have fun, especially when my scrub rogue leads.
Meanwhile Dreaven literally codes a new workable solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnOrdim
I'm aware you have been asked to do things to alleviate the lag. I've been on 10-15 nights myself, which is how I got such a bad taste in my mouth about the afk people and all the simucoins going in. As I said before here and in another thread, the lag is not your fault, but bad design. Denying that you cause the lag however is absolutely going to make people turn on you, because nobody here is that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Fortybox: the ;treim script (available on the ;repo and in a public github repository) was updated numerous times to help address the lag. Just sayin'.
Stumplicker: I'm very sorry you had such a negative impression of the reim nights with HOA. I was holding some west coast reim nights at 8 PM pacific for folks – perhaps you'd be open to giving those a shot if I start them up again?
Good thing no one cares what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Keep howling at the moon, just know that no one takes you seriously. You are the definition of a joke.
Well, I mean, that is pretty incriminating. This quote here suggests whoever said it thought it was probably a bug. I have no idea if this person was one of the people caught enchanting multiple things, but this certainly doesn't look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Tgo01: to be fair, I was gobsmacked to learn that high steel and low steel were made enchantable. Neither of those are on the material difficulty chart for enchanting from what I can see, and were previously unenchantable (at least I know high steel was). I had the same reaction as you quoted when that was made known to me.
Honestly, I know you well enough to not even have hear you say this. It was my assumption from the beginning, and one reason I defended you on this from the very beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
I personally did not get involved in this just because I have a beef with HoA. Honestly, you know I don't like your MHO (I mean, I did get banned from your Discord, after all.), but that doesn't mean I have a quarrel with each individual member. I don't usually take forums and Discord chats personal, and I certainly don't take ire just because someone disagrees with me. It's why I'm not afraid to take your side on this (in regards to Nodyre specifically), regardless of my feelings toward your MHO.
I guess why I am saying in all this, is simply that my opinions on this matter are not clouded by any ill feelings toward your MHO, though great those ill feelings may be. I can only hope that HoA members look at their fellow members with the same unclouded eyes, including yourself.
I personally feel that enchanting Coraesine was an incredibly serious matter, and you won't hear me try to downplay it. I also feel that those who did so knowing it was wrong, got off with a very light punishment.
And frankly, to get onto some of the anti-HoA train a bit - This certainly seems to be a trend with your MHO, in its refusal to just admit when wrong, instead of bloody defending your position to the death even when you were in the wrong. Even I, though blunt and opinionated as I can be, always try to admit when I was wrong about something (Assassinate my character all you want, but I firmly stand by this statement.). But HoA is too elitest to admit being wrong.
What they are referring to as far as crashing/slowing the game down goes back a couple of years, way before I even started a Patreon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
When the GMs came a knocking a few months ago suggesting I was contributing to the lag (I wasn't) I refined my scripts and my methods even further to help alleviate the problems as much as I could. But I guess I did that "for the money I get through Patreon."
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Originally Posted by Neovik1
If Simu was gonna go under for being shitty to customers, GS would have been dead like 15-20 years ago.
Not if he's blaming Dreavenings he does not. I was doing Dreavenings for years with zero complaints. No one who didn't attended Dreavenings even knew they were going on because they didn't suffer any noticeable lag.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Then one day the GMs gold a wild hair up their ass and decided I was contributing to the lag? I mean sure, I guess I can understand if I was contributing 2% to the lag and the other sources of lag contributed the other 98%. Otherwise I'm not buying it.
@Mobius1: Your position is entirely reasonable. With that said, I would ask that you consider separating the actions of the Officers and/or individual members from the MHO itself.
There are a lot of wonderful people in the group – officers included! – whose presence in Elanthia make the game more enjoyable for everyone. And I think there was some great feedback in this thread (or perhaps another?) that suggested HOA do more than just group hunting stuff. Definitely given me food for thought.
I'm not saying you had malicious intent, but the quote is pretty damning. Questioning if they meant to make it enchantable and then wondering if they'll fix it sure sounds like the person is aware this is possibly a bug and decided not to alert the GMs to the possible bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
If someone thought it might be a bug and asked the GMs if it was cool to enchant it or at least mentioned it to the GMs and they didn't say it was a bug or didn't address the issue at all then I think the person should be in the clear.
This wasn't an MHO wide thing, its like 3 or 5 people in an MHO of 50+. You are painting the entire MHO from the actions of a few people(myself included).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius1
The MHO doesn't owe you an explanation or an apology. For that matter neither do I or anyone else who got a warning. This literally doesn't affect you in the slightest.
This is simply a bad QC dept. We didn't do some glitch to make these items enchantable, we just prep/casted at the item.
I personally accept my warning and have moved on from it. There isn't anything good that will come from me arguing with staff about it, and for me I don't think its completely unwarranted.
No disagreement here, but I think one can certainly interpret that quote a couple different ways. I'm still not convinced it's the player's job to investigate and report bugs, but that's a ME problem. I think that Simutronics should incentivize bug-hunting/reporting with Simucoin rewards. That'd certainly put a nice spin on this rather disheartening turn of events.
And there it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Coase was probably afk scripting it. He should be reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
You accept it because Simu was probably right. Should have been banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
No doubt in my mind he knew what he was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
If I were the guy in charge, I probably wouldn't have issued any warnings. No bans, none of that shit. I'd have rolled everything back. Essentially, you get the same results, but no people whining about warns they feel they don't deserve, and it would really just be less effort on my part. We wouldn't have this fun popcorn worthy thread either though, so there is that.
I was pretty clear that I wasn't painting a picture of the whole MHO based on those players' actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
But I will say that every single person I have heard comment on the issue that is from HoA, has done absolutely nothing but defend their actions. Thus one reason why I made the comments that I did about HoA in my last post.
HoA also seems to vehemently defend their actions in Reim. It's like I'm listening to the PR campaign of a tobacco company through the last century.
But I do wholeheartedly admit that HoA has many great people. I am hopeful that said great people might realize what's happening with the MHO and do something about it.
Tobacco companies did nothing wrong. It's science.
This is very true. The problem is that we have all invested a lot of time into our characters over the years and no one really wants to throw that away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Ah man, I miss smoking.
I'd say customer service at Simu is way better than it used to be. The GMs definitely don't treat everyone like a bunch of misbehaving kids and try to scold you anymore. Well, not as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
I mean, when I started playing this game I was definitely a misbehaving kid. Oh, shit – I'm the problem, aren't I?
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Originally Posted by BriarFox
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"Did they mean to make this enchantable? Huh. I wonder if they'll fix it."
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"I wonder if they'll fix it."
Are you really not seeing the issue here? If you need more assistance with this, just let me know.
In regards to this whole situation, both Simu and HoA are retarded as fuck.
Nope, wrong as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Did you guys say "oh shit coraesine is bugged and is enchantable quick don't tell anyone" on your private discord TELL THE TRUTH
I need more assistance with this please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
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Originally Posted by Donquix
I definitely like the GMs that are on staff and they have all done an amazing job. I definitely won't argue this. Just look at what Retser has been able to do in GS! He survived the player shop revamp and did an outstanding job with it. The staff has definitely accomplished more than I have ever seen accomplished in all the years I've played GS. Enchanting changes could have been done better though and there are a few other things that could have been tested better. But overall they have done great things!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
On the bright side for you - When they are busy working on Simucoin events, at least they aren't doing more to ruin wizards.
We all think Simu sucks too.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Based on your story, you should have fallen into the “some players who legit didn’t know didn’t receive warnings” group.
Which those people probably don’t actually exist, because Simu lies a lot.
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Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
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It's not like that information was spread anywhere else, thus they kept it to themselves and "on the down-low" as the kids like to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
How much coraesine is out there, anyway? 10 items? 20 items? I know I owned two short swords, back in the day and they were uber rare.
I may be wrong, but I was just reading some history in the official discord server, and it appears more isolated. There appear to be 4 types of coraesine weapons out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Those that are fully functional with the binding mechanic,
Coraesine in name and offer no mechanical benefits
Lesser coraesine that have some air flares
Some new mood based Coraesine with scripts and ambients
It was my understanding from what I read that the ones that offered no material-based bonuses were the ones that were further enchanted. But I'm sure others may know better. Apparently it's not just a cut and dry Coraesine issue.
Depends, they were selling coraesine for BS at DR. I don't know if anyone was tracking numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
It wasn't coraesine that was bugged, ALL material difficulty was 0 basically. You could enchant any metal, zelnorn, coraesine, kroderine, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
It sounded like instances of omissions in the materials difficulty table, and the lack of an error routine to apply 999 for those instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I wasn't aware it was ALL materials. Jesus.
And they knew this. And clearly the GMs did not intend for ALL materials to suddenly be enchantable, and thus the "How were we supposed to know?" argument doesn't apply here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
Pretty much this. If the retardation was widespread, more people besides HoA would have been warned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I only enchanted coraesine, I didn't learn about the other metals until Coase posted the announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius1
“Learn” is a subjective word for you amirites?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I guess so, but it just sounds so incomplete. Material difficulty is a major aspect of enchanting. I can't imagine someone telling folks to go and experiment when an entire variable is missing. Also, I was under the impression that they were monitoring things after go live. Waiting this long and then issuing warnings seems eggregious. If I was monitoring logs and saw one instance of an impossible material being enchanted, I'd either issue a statement, or put a freeze til it could be fixed. And if I failed to notice something, that's not their fault for experimenting, that's my fault for not monitoring what I had just implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius1
Holy shit the most embarrassing part about this isn't the SIMU response. I've pretty much come to expect that. It's the boot lickers here who say you "should have known". Imagine having such a strong case of Stockholm Syndrome that you blame the players for bad coding. If this Fortybox guy isn't a GM undercover posting I really worry for his mental health.
No, I really think any enchanting wizard that has been playing the game for decades probably should have known. Then again, they probably should have known that all the shit is tracked too so you can't really get away with it. Or maybe they were just retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Someone post a thread about rape and see if Fortybox replies asking what the victim was wearing.
Fortybox just doesn't like us so he lets hate cloud his judgement. There is nothing we can say that will change that so there isn't much of a point in responding to him. Fortybox is just an example of how toxic this community is on here and why newcomers to GS should never come to player's corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
I've been a capped Rogue for awhile. I just recently capped my wizard and started enchanting fairly recently. I didn't keep up with the changes completely. But all I read when the new system was released was that there are a lot of things that are now enchantable that weren't in the past. So I wouldn't of known. I actually picked up a nervestaff thinking I could enchant it now. But not really sure where that will fall once everything is finalized... even though I mean you would hope that everything is production is currently finalized. But hey I wouldn't know... not like there are official release notes and who knows when they actually release something? I mean it seems like things can be ninja'ed into production whenever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Well, I don't want to rehash what has been restated several times in this discussion, but in the scenario you mentioned, you would not have been warned (Or at least SHOULD not have been warned based on the GM's parameters.).Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
Didn't they just make a big enchanting that changed the properties on enchanting? Are players supposed to somehow divine design intent? Did the GMs release a list of materials that remain unechantable and was coreasine on that list? How should they have known? I'm certainly underinformed but I do know that game devs blaming players for bad QC is always a bad look. If I started playing again tomorrow and enchanted my coreasine weapon would it be my fault for not knowing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Also anyone saying players shouldn't have enchanted things GMs didn't intend to be enchanted when they made them should ask for 90% of all 10x DB items to be removed from the game.
I'll take a toxic community over the alternatives. I for one love PC for what it does for GS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
I've been saying this for years, actually.Quote:
Also anyone saying players shouldn't have enchanted things GMs didn't intend to be enchanted when they made them should ask for 90% of all 10x DB items to be removed from the game.
They allowed things that previously were unenchantable due to flares to be enchanted. Not new base materials. It was pretty clear to me. I also know of people who reported this bug weeks and months ago, so I'm definitely not the only one that knew this was a bug. You even had a guy that got warned here saying it wasn't unwarranted in his case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
good to see drew still around �� always liked you budQuote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Thanks! I heard they're finally fixing weapon loss too, I might start playing again, trying to convince Dantastikal to finally get to level 100 with me (20 years to cap, don't @ me)Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
From what I understand they allowed flares and the like to be enchantable, metals that resist magic or whatever still can't be enchanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
The GMs are also claiming they have evidence that some people knew it was a bug, tried to keep it a secret, and actively exploited the bug before it could be fixed.
No one has admitted to this yet, obviously, but of the people so far who have admitted they received a warning I have no reason to not believe them. I'm wondering if the GMs are exaggerating their evidence or if there were people who were churning out dozens of these enchants before the bug could be fixed and some people got caught up in the warnings even though they weren't abusing the bug.
Already fixed. You can't lose a weapon now unless you fail to use my or just drop it for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
You can no longer lose your weapon but as soon as it drops to the ground via a disarm mechanic it can be a pain in the ass to get it back. Bonded weapons are unaffected though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
What about drakar, rhimar, and other materials that have flares and are also material bases?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Those were only unenchantable due to their flares. They are all listed on the chart as -50 difficulty, so it was never the material that prevented it from being enchanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
The only things ever marked as impossible, never meant to be enchanted are coraesine, krodera, kroderine, urglaes, urnon, and zelnorn.
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Originally Posted by Gelston
Corsaesine is a flare type. Seems like it should be enchantable if flares is what was preventing it from being enchanted before. At least if you told me they had changed it for that reason I'd have no reason not to believe you.
Coraesine is a lot more than a simple elemental flare, and again, it was marked as a -999.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
On the not 100% staff updated wiki...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
The table didn't need updated. It didn't change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Doesn’t change the FACT it not a SIMU document.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
So much stuff on the wiki is wrong though. You can't take the wiki as an official Simu document that you can rely on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
What items, specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewayn
It is THE official GS wiki. IF the list was wrong or something changed, it would be changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
High Steel and Low Steel are not on that chart, Gelston. They were previously not enchantable. Now they are. Is that allowed or not? How would a player know?
High and Low steel are brand new materials. I give you they are not on the chart, but their numbers probably weren't released. Low steel, at least, was held back by flares because there wasn't exactly a pretemper for psychic flares.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
By who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I see you just want to run in circles. Have fun with that. Point stands, and it has been stated about those materials marked as -999 specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
You don't think Wyrom had an ulterior motive to get Dreaven to stop spelling people up.. and just used lag as a bullshit excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Stop.
You might be the only one here that actually believes that.
I'm not trying to be difficult, mind you. I'm just illustrating that our *official* documentation is clearly incomplete.
Nope. I just believe if SIMU wants a fucking Wiki where anyone can edit it, to expect fucked up results. Own their mistakes, or accept they suck at QC and documentation. There is nothing in between when the ‘official’ wiki is based on player input. They have put the onus on the paying players to police documentation, and that’s retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
oh okQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
ill take your capitulation as I’ve won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
No one is forcing you to stay here. Feel free to remove the site from your favorites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
It's only toxic because you don't agree with him.
Cry less.
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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Except for high and low steel....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I also said it wasn't completely unwarranted.
No, he's toxic because he's a piece of shit person. To his core.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
He probably sits in his mothers basement jerking it with his own tears, mad and confused why no one likes him.
Low steel wasn't on there due to it being a new metal. Someone has already asked for the GMs to include it on the list. Low steel, however, would have been a nogo under the old (new) system due to flares requiring pretempers and shit tons of lore training to apply them. There was no "psychic flares" lore and there was no psychic flares pretemper. Flares are literally what held that back. Now, with the new (new) system you don't need to do a pretemper for flares.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I disagree with his assumptions in this thread... probably because I don't have a pony in this race.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I don't think he's toxic.
Again, the coding issue from Simu isn’t the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Simu alleges that those warned knew about bug, failed to report it and exploited it. You’d know this if you read the thread.
Wyrom talking about bugging something was in response to an issue with coraesine. When asked about bugs that tends to be his go-to answer, which makes sense as he's the PM, and not the guy who implemented new 925.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Your thing with the krodera wasn't about the enchanting bug though. You just asked a general question about its properties, not if it was able/allowed to be enchanted. The search function over there is terrible so I may have missed something, but the timeline of events seems to have you being "hyper-communicative" only AFTER the bug was noticed and investigated. I'm not accusing you of anything, you may have just been collateral damage, but it feels like people are trying to misrepresent how much they knew and when they knew it.
What’s toxic is HoA exploiting a bug for benefit and then getting a slap on the wrist. Sorry you’re mad that someone is calling you out on your BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
But, if the new material was included, doesn't that imply that material difficulties existed, or were at least identified as not existing by nature of making changes to the area?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
And you also come across like a GM with you're reference of -50 difficulty on drakar/etc... We literally barely had grasp of the enchanting equation, let alone to the point of being able to measure it, and especially for a material we couldn't get a difficulty read on because of flare enchanting restriction. It's a lot of stock in -50 being accurate.
I dunno, two enchanting systems, super in-flight development, lots of shit up in the air, bugs being reported privately with 1000 ways to try to listen and react to... There's plausable deniability in not knowing. I agree they should have bugged the item/etc, but simu also shouldn't have released the broken new spell, or been faster to identify/react. There's crap happening on both sides, it definitely warrants a slap on the wrist, maybe probation or lack of enchanting energy, but probably not an official warning.
Nobody except Nodyre has given a reasonable response. Simu is retarded but do you really think they would go to this length if they didn’t have evidence? We’re talking about an organization that gives them $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Seriously, who cares what other people do? I get this all the time about ‘I’m not paid enough, so and so gets paid more’ I hear people are pussy faggots. Give me a reason to pay you more, not why another is paid more. Be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Fortybox: Wyrom is a lying sack of shit trying to ruin this game and is the worst person ever.
Also Fortybox: Wyrom says he has documentation which he hasn't provided, he's not lying to us!!! Wake up people
* Or simu instead of wyrom
No accusation read into that and it's a fair point. I didn't ask if it was enchantable in that discussion as I was already told by the owner of said sword that it was enchantable under the OLD system. I was trying to figure out what, if anything, was implemented for krodera. I'm certainly willing to own up to assuming more than I probably should have about the weapon, but in no way was I aware of a bug or trying to exploit the item for mechanical gain. As soon as I was made aware of what the staff considered a bug, I immediately brought the weapon to their attention. No misrepresentation intended – I try to keep everything I do in-game on the up-and-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
See, I think both sides fucked up. I find it hard to believe not a single one of them didn't know something was wrong. In that case, you just don't fucking do it and ask for clarification. You can go on the discord server and ask, email, post in the forums, spam report, or run .breakgs and ask when you get pulled. I think Simu was off on their response to it though. Like I said, they've known, via reports, for months that this was an issue and they waited until recently to address it. Probably didn't want to let people know a bug exists? That is still a stupid way to do business IMO. You tell the people "Hey, this is a bug. rolling back everyone's shit to previous state. It isn't fixed, but x, x, x, x materials aren't supposed to be enchanted. If you do enchant it you will get a warn or a ban." and just leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
In the end, it is still only a warn. It means jack all and go a year without another it means even less.
I do think there were probably some people who were aware this was a bug and was taking advantage of it before it was fixed. Briarfox's quote of someone shows at least one person thought it was a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
I have no reason to doubt drauz when he says he only enchanted two things, and enchanting two things doesn't really prove to me that he was taking advantage of it as much as possible before the GMs fixed it.
There are probably some people who were taking advantage of this bug but I doubt they are going to admit to it.
That's fair. Perhaps we should have started with that. Is it a matter of 1 year and it's wiped? I was expecting that, but second guessed when one of the posters put that it was his second offense, they seemed to perpetuate longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
It is never wiped, it just counts for less with age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
I dunno, this is kind of a nuanced situation, I wouldn't trust simu's notes on the manner if you got pulled for your third warning and they just decide to ban you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Eh, the first thing you see is the age of the violation. If you have like, a history of GMA over 20 years with the warnings all spread apart, they probably would do more, but one here, and another warning for something else like 2 years later, and then something another 6 years... They aren't going to really do anything. Bans have to be done by a SGM too, so it isn't like some rando GM can just zomg you go away now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
I think we are long past the three strikes you're out era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
If we get new players i’d Imagine once they research Gemstone this forum would come up and more than likely people have said fuck this shit and didn’t even bother with GS. I can give two shits if I agree or disagree with him and I can handle myself. I’m just stating this is not a good site to promote our community in any positive light. Most of the people on here aren’t even active players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It depends. If he was told by someone else that Simu made a mistake and then did it then he is complicit. That’s probably what occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It depends. If he was told by someone else that Simu made a mistake and then did it then he is complicit. That’s probably what occurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Wrong. New players will come over and realize the community has a bunch of cheaters. You and your org is the cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
You keep clinging to this as if it means something. It's been pointed out repeatedly that -999 means fuckall by itself, especially with a system that is in the process of changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
"it didn't need to change" - no one from simu updated the wiki for the things that a million percent did change either. So how are you supposed to know what did and didn't? If a PLAYER with no real knowledge into the system cuts and pastes the table to the new 925 entry that doesn't mean nothing changed with material difficulties. It means someone assumed they didn't and cut and pasted it. Because again, simu doesn't update their own fucking documentation.
and for the third time, wtf does -999 even mean for the average person checking the wiki? it means literally nothing. It's an arbitrary number. It might mean impossible, it might mean that's just as hard as material difficulties will get, it might mean some gm that made coraesine 30 years ago mashed his fucking face on the keyboard. I doubt anyone, even very probably people who intentionally "exploited" this (which again, is using a spell exactly as its intended and the spell working. HAX) know what their enchanting skill GETS to off hand. -999 probably means impossible if your skill caps out at 500, but if your skill caps out at 1200 that just means it's pretty hard.
"can i enchant this? oh it works. oh man the wiki says -999, well i'm capped with basically every magical skill maxed so i guess that means i can enchant -999 shit. cool."
at release Naos:
Didn't update any documentation.
Refused to answer practically any meaningful questions about the system and difficulty changes.
ignored or deflected players who did bring concerns about item difficulties for days post release until the hilariously out of whack ones were brought up, and then it was Estild who had to confirm those
was a shithead whenever people tried to ask about when the potion vendor would be done (that continues to this day)
GEE I DON"T KNOW WHY players wouldn't rush off to talk to them about this stuff.
Use the god damn test realm for testing. Offer REAL rewards for reporting serious defects, not 100 exp maybe if they feel like it. Simu QC has been ATROCIOUS since the simucoin grind started. I reported half a dozen obvious typos on items during rumor woods, not weird syntax / phrasing like just straight up typos. Outsource that shit, put a carrot on the stick. Instead of ROYALLY fucking up and then trying to make yourself feel like less of a piece of a shit by being punitive to the players that found the GLARING omission you made.
You really need to bring this up with state appointed psychiatrist I assume you're required to meet with. They need to know you're 1 bad day from getting up on a clocktower because someone someone made your mud lag for half an hour and you died that one time or whatever the fuck started this obsession for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
They have straight up said anything marked -999 is never meant to be enchanted. This was fairly recently too. It was also recently just proven again by the recent actions. Stop acting like it isn't a thing. It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
They sure did, three times in fact. Once, however, was AFTER these things were enchanted (probably). All 3 of these were on a weekday at around 1:30 pm on discord and fucking no where else. In the #mechanics channel that is probably the most most spammy channel on the server. The first was before new-enchant (feb with the limitbreaker potions) so that only gets half credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Yeah that seems practical. Check the wiki it's authoritative....ANNNNND also discord on Estild's lunch breaks during the week.
So the GMs have said '-999 is supposed to be impossible to enchant', the wiki says '-999 is supposed to be impossible to enchant', and you're still saying the wiki is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
This forum is and never was a place where it was promoting Gemstone. It's literally a community of people who have played/still play the game. Nothing more. It came to be a place where we could post whatever we wanted because the officials were stifling and over-moderated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neovik1
If you believe this is a bad place to be.. feel free to create your own forum where your ideas for world harmony and peace will be more appreciated.
Until then, if you don't like this forum because it doesn't meet your ideals.. feel free to fuck off.
Please, link us that bit of info on the wiki. I'll wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
If A = B and B = C, does A = C? This isn't a difficult concept. At least, I hope it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
see: Materials DifficultiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
see: Naos on difficult or impossible
There is also a post on 'metal' at -500 and Estild suggesting the assist. And posts with proof that a reading of -500 is player enchantable. Up to about 4x.
The officials remain the 'proof' of what was said. This has not changed and is the reason why posts are saved to the wiki for easier reference supporting a wiki article. These posts align to the information on the wiki, but were not linked by anyone editing the wiki. So no, you won't find it on the wiki as a sole resource. The wiki should have linked the posts.
Not arguing for or against anything in this discussion. Just representing some facts.
That works. Warning validated. Anyone mind cross posting to wiki?
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Originally Posted by Donquix
Sure, just ignore the fact that half the HOA membership is mentally unstable. I can literally go through that membership list and give testimony to those members being involved in unscrupulous behavior. From the female cleric that spends her days reporting names she doesn't like to the other female cleric that used her position as a police dispatcher to gain access to peoples personal information.
Before we worry about the guy climbing the clock tower, perhaps we should worry about the HoA members shoving daggers in everyones backs.
Funny how these warnings seem to cluster with this MHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
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The funny one is the "you people are boot lickers". Coming from a group that uses GM's as their own personal revenge force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Tysong is probably the only one that in my opinion has a soul in that group..but I may be wrong
Here is what I think happened. One of these morons figured out that you could enchant these metals. They then broadcasted it to their buddy network and NOBODY bothered to question or ask why.
Being such an elite squad of good upstanding members of the community with YEARS (decades) of playing this game and interacting with Simu staff, they did nothing. Instead, they saw a loophole and started enchanting for personal gain.
HoA is a corrupt org. Simu should have disbanded the MHO IMO. If anything, current leadership should step down. They proven to be incompetent.
Hahahah! You just continuously out do yourself with every post. Can we change your PC handle to fake news?
For the record, I have a soul.
FortyBox: The voice of speculation and MORAL OUTRAGE. Keep going, buddy. You’ll blow a blood vessel.
All that happened was a few people in a big organisation found out that you could enchant coraesine. They didn’t bother to check this with anyone because the enchanting changes were unclear. Should they have? Maybe. That’s the debatable part. But no, let’s just declare: Huge crime! Should disband! People have NO soulzzz! Coraesine causes LAG!
wow more deflection from the reality, simu fucked up and you guys planned to exploit it the max.. I was all about puting the blame on them until you all started sharing.... i disliked you guys from the start but now you really have made it clear that you all are just some do what you want take what you want scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Your deductive reasoning is staggering, sir. It’s like you read what we were saying, then just replaced our names with insults so you could make sense of the story. Impressive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Saying the people (a) within HotA (b) are corrupted, making HotA (b) corrupted is as stupid as saying since HotA(b) is in gemstone (c), therefore gemstone (c) is corrupted.
It's just a coincidence.
Stop seeing correlations. This 925 abuse from sOME cheating PEOPLE playing gemstone (gemstone is a cheating game LOL) is NOT an excuse to throw HotA on the public and make a public trial and say they're guilty becauce reasons.
IT's not even a debat, it's always what makes this dumb PC so dumb, cause they are dumb people (LOL again). You don't like HotA? Fine, don't correlate stuff, it makes you a conspiracy believer.
Gemstone has cheaters, HotA got cheaters. Welcome to life.
I’m glad you know these enchanters’ minds better than they do! Someone needs to lay down the law here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realk
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Originally Posted by BriarFox
I think HoA (the ones involved in this dumb shit anyway) and Simu are both full of shit. HoA trying to be all lawyer mode, and Simu being all liar mode.
Except Nodyre or whoever got pwned for the Krodera thing. That's stupid as fuck and Coase is a giant gaping unshaven smelly cunt for that. Krodera is fucking useless.
I think Simu is also full of shit about "not everyone was warned," at least until someone who wasn't warned can verify it.
I was not warned.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
If you got a warning anyway and this is the whole story, then Coase is a cunt and you should go nuts on feedback. Or hit up Wyrom first, then go to feedback if that doesn't get you anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Why do you hate capitalism?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Is there something stopping HoA from implementing their own Reim entry cap?Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
If Dreaven can do it, so can HoA.
HoA: Hey Simu I got an idea, how about just cap the number of people for Reim entry?
Wyrom: That might help, but you guys could literally do that yourselves too, without requiring a mechanics change to force it.
HoA:
https://media1.tenor.com/images/c64a...temid=13129374
Simu: Hey Dreaven, having 4532780942 people at Dreavenings is fucking shit up.
Dreaven: Okay.
Dreaven: *fixes problem in like a day*
HoA: What about that Reim cap though?
We basically do, actually. If our group gets over 20ish people, we usually divide into two. The lag issue is caused by scaling messaging requirements for larger groups (same reason huge groups get silenced automatically in one room), and this tactic mostly fixes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Perhaps the shitheads that are giving HoA a bad name should stop be tossed out of HoA if you don't want HoA to be generally viewed as cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HebrewToYou
Just like with most other things, it only takes 1 or 2 assholes to taint the whole group.
Couldn't Simu *gasp* fix the underlying lag issue... instead of blaming it on too many people enjoying the game? Someone mentioned Stockholm syndrome earlier... this seems like a prime example of that.
The issue is that too many people in the same room getting the same line feeds causes the game to have to send lots of lines all at once. When you have 20 people in a room all spamming multiline combat text at 20 critters every 40 seconds and every line of every action has to go to 20 people at once, the game lags. It's why at big merchants you can't talk and some things get squelched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
The problem is that if you limit the group size to say, 5, it becomes slower for those 20 people to get ghost bucks and max out and fire another $1 into a Reim orb. If they limit group size, they lower interest/ability in people spending $1 every 10 minutes for 2 hours 2-3 nights per week, and they won't do that.
HotA cut the groups into roughly 10-11 people each when lag started becoming a problem because that doesn't really cut into their speed. Most people can't hit 11+ critters in one attack to tag and get credit for everything that spawned anyway. But if you limit it to less, people with the ability to hit 7, 8, 9 things at once lose out. So they won't go lower, and Simu won't fix it because that'd mean fewer dollars.
That's the issue in a nutshell. Theoretically they could make 20 ghosts spawn as one big ghost blob critter and solve part of the issue, but not all of it, and that comes with its own set of hurdles as it is. Truly fixing the underlying issue without limiting group size would require a rewrite of pretty much the whole engine.
It's a structural problem with GS itself, from a time before Krakii crawled up out of the sea and took his first shuddering breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
In exchange for cleaning up the CS side, the dev side took a massive shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Not because they're not skilled coders, but because they're a bunch of arrogant and most likely autistic chodes with god awful ideas 99% of the time unless it's P2W.
Except Konacon. He's cool. And most of the others. Except the ones in charge. Their ideas are bottom tier trash.
Yes, Simu needs to fix it. That’s not the issue though. It’s the jerky response from HoA, the elitist attitude that is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Dreaven handled it like a pro. HoA just proved why so many don’t like them.
You don't like HoA. We get it. Congrats on turning a thread about unclear enchanting changes and unfairly penalized players into a soapbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
neither is just admitting you were fucking wrong :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
HOA is like any group. There are jerks and elitists, and there are people you wouldn't even know are in HOA because they don't talk about it. The group is judged by a combination of the loudest and worse examples. There's people on that list who got posted who I think are awesome, and I had no idea they were in the group. I don't think of them differently now. I think the lag issue sucks, and I don't doubt that HOA have taken actions to mitigate it, but it still makes sense that people hold that against them, tbh. The warnings (except for Nodyre, who got flatly hosed and should appeal as hard as possible) seem more warranted the longer I think on it, but it seems like people should just move on at this point. The warnings were issued and they're ultimately a slap on the wrist. Unless people plan to get more warnings they can probably forget it ever happened. The absolute bile in some of the posts about HOA is wild, though. We're all playing a game for the most extreme nerds alive who really enjoy MUDs and the 1990s. Let's calm down. Source: I'm a nerd
Lol that's what you think this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Maybe you should focus on removing the corrupt apples from your org. May also want to hire a PR rep - you’re very bad at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
You could also step down too.
It's pretty clear what I'm arguing. Go back and re-read if you need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donquix
I hope the accused acknowledge they're being judged by 4-5 persons on this forum who happens to judge ANYONE on ANY matters whatsoever. The same 4-5 persons.
If the accused knows this, I think they should ask this simple question: Does their opinion reflects the majority?
Assuming an answer, next question will be: Do you even think you could change these 4-5 persons who act as if they're Judge for the benefits of others?
A bonus question: Do you think they are 100% flawless and NEVER do anything wrong that could make them accused by their peers after? LOL
That's not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
They asked Dreaven to change his actions to be more streamlined to reduce lag, Dreaven objected, but eventually complied. The end result is that the changes worked.
Simu engaged with us to test changes to reduce lag. We worked with them on a variety of tests, and changed our actions. We tried split the group, they lowered spawn rates, turned off invasions, tried new flags. The end result is that nothing worked, they didn't do anything to further work on it.
Glad to see you back, by the way, Whirlin.
And, if you're smart, you'll set at least the 'SaferDrop' flag, and probably the 'NoMarkedDrop' flag... and mark your items, so they don't get lost! (official's post about said flags)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
This. You can only do so much when the engine that runs the game is single-threaded and can only handle so much at once. Remember, the engine is a product of the late 80's to early 90's time frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumplicker
I don't disagree with you... but I'd like to see a little more evidence about Simu's accusations before requiring any organization to take actions. And let HoA leadership analyze involvement and the involvement of the individuals who received warnings (if that becomes public information) to determine appropriate steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Right now, the community has... Simu's word (honestly, since when has this been worth literally anything). We've already proven earlier on in the thread that there are areas of uncertainty which means that there's more nuance associated with the actions, with the individual that got a warning for hiring enchanters... And based on Briarfox checking the HoA discord, he didn't see widespread evidence of discussion about the enchanting stuff happening through the official HoA channels of communication. Anyone on Discord can PM anyone else or set up small group chats with anyone that shares any of their servers.
I'm still not 100% certain that HoA is the only way the communications did or could have occurred, that is still speculation. We're seeing a lot of folks comment about it because HoA folks are the individuals are the more active community members by nature of being capped/etc. HoA contains a lot of veterans with a lot of members comprising a lot of the capped population. ANY events that contain any set of players will likely proportionally impact HoA.
There's lots of gemstone based organizations, even more if we consider non-official communication groups. If you consider CHEs getting more active with Discord servers, etc, I don't have sufficient evidence on my end to know that there wasn't discussion about the enchanting bug within Paupers or Silvergate Discords (examples). Are the same reprimanding activities required from each CHE that could have had an impacted member? If all MHOs and all CHEs should reprimand folks, isn't that redundant of the warnings issued by Simu?
Didn’t HoA betray you? I thought you left in part because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
Maybe you should take the reigns back.
So I can just centralize everything you hate? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
Why do most/all scout troop leaders look like child molesters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
That guy is clearly banging Corky in the tent at night.
Centralize the good things - remove the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
What if they were messing with the payroll system to duplicate the Superman III / Office Space glitch though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
You don’t need to suck up. I’m pretty sure you can join them - requirements are low, especially in the ethics department. You’ll pass with flying colors!Quote:
Originally Posted by Murrandii
I'm too lazy to find the post with the log, but didn't Coase or whoever it was specifically say something like "No lockouts are being recommended due to your overall good standing." or something to that effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin