You do realize that most civil rights protest organizers hope for police brutality, right? Makes for a lot more attention to their cause if they get banged up in a peaceful protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
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You do realize that most civil rights protest organizers hope for police brutality, right? Makes for a lot more attention to their cause if they get banged up in a peaceful protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Robuts. (Everything comes down to poo.)Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Brutality on the streets, not in the station. Why? Because only other police can see what goes on in the station. This does not at all indicate that we should have cameras in said stations, because... um... well, I'll let Wrathbringer explain why that would be bad. I respect Wrathbringer's right to have an opinion, but objectively I can't see why placing absolute trust in police and child molesters is a good thing. That's just me and what is factually, incontrovertibly correct. He's free to disagree, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tisket
But requiring ID is racist! How can these poor victims march if they can't afford to get their own proper identification?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
This is even more racist than voter ID laws!!!!11
I still don't understand the entire issue. You vote, you bring a valid ID. Duh.
It amazes me this is even an issue, let alone fodder for a protest (in which you are strongly encouraged to bring...a valid ID).
As for the whole idea of Republicans blocking votes, let me assure you that Democrats would not hesitate to use that approach if they thought it would win them an election. Don't think so? Think back to the 2000 Presidential election. No I don't mean what you think the Republicans were doing to discount ballots. I mean the absentee ballots...remember those? No?
Most of the absentee ballots were from the military - many of them from naval ships. The Democrats knew that most of these ballots were likely to vote Republican, and that was bad. According to the election law, the ballots had to be signed either on the ballot inside OR signed in a specific place on the outside envelope. When the ballots were about to be counted, the Democratic Representatives at the counting demanded that all ballot envelopes that were not signed be thrown out. There was apparently quite a shouting match over the matter, until someone pointed out the applicable election laws to these Representatives, who then promptly shut up. Although that didn't stop them from checking every little detail on every ballot attempting to get them discounted. They were unsuccessful.
Perhaps you believe that the people that the Democratic Party sent to the counting were misinformed about how the election law worked for absentee ballots. And if you believe that, I have some swampland to sell you.
I think I said before that I'd be okay with 24/7 universal surveillance if the police and politicians were the first in line to be monitored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
But I think the whole system would become so unwieldy and impossible to implement, with huge holes in coverage, that it's foolish to even speculate about it's potential efficacy. I think it'd be vast sums of money spent on a failed endeavor.
edit: I think I'm arguing across two threads here. Whatever, work it out yourself.
They tried to institute a rudimentary surveillance system in early NYC. The idea was to mount mirrors in alleys and stairwells and a person would sit in a central location with telescopes. The telescopes were aimed in such a way that you could see up stairs and around corners via the mounted mirrors.
Needless to say, it was an abject failure. Didn't want people to watch? A rock handled those mirrors nicely.
Interestingly, some of the original mirror mounts can still be found in some of the older buildings throughout the city.
One of the old mirror frames:
http://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/images/NY301.NYV.gif
Interesting... I just read that the observation rooms doubled as late night tryst locations. I guess when you're spying on everyone, people get excited.
Everything's impossible until it's done, Tisket. We sent three guys 240,000 miles to the moon and didn't break a single one of their weak honky bones. Impossible? We did it. LeBron is the least clutch player of all time, and he personally won two Finalses. Impossible? He did it.
The only thing stopping us is us. We can whine about how our freedoms will be lost, or we can try to take extreme measures and end serial child molestation. The choice seems pretty easy to me, but then I am an amazingly rugged individual. I understand that not everyone can be as brave as me; for example, Wrathbringer. It's not a big deal that he's a sniveling coward who puts his own self-interest above all else because of what that mean old government might do. Heck, crb will probably give him a medal.Sir, if I may ask, have you tried to get a valid ID as the average black man? Or for that matter the average white man? If not, is your personal understanding of the issue worth a good Gosh darn?Quote:
Originally Posted by Candor
I'm not arguing whether it's possible or not, I just thought it was an interesting bit of NYC history.
It turns out that we have had pretty significant advancement since the 1700s. We gave black people and female people equal rights, we established a standing military without immediately descending into tyranny, we established a central bank without immediately descending into communism, we established a republic without immediately descending into mob rule or empire, I could go on...Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
...or we could rest assured that it's not even worth trying, and it's not at all an indictment of our society that we tolerate half a million children born into molestation every year, and our high-fiving over prison rape of said molesters absolves us of any tacit complicity. We could do that, or we could grow a pair.
eta: Because of my huge testicles, I post slowly. You would understand if you had such big testicles. I have edited both posts for clarity.