Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Seran

LOL you're an idiot. Your far right party has more in common with the Fascism of Hitler and Putin, I'm sure you're aware.

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Only 1 party in the United States has ever supported Slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, Segregation, put Japanese in internment camps, signed the Indian Removal Act, and supports talking to other peoples 8 year olds about sex.

That would be the Democratic Party.

I'll keep posting this, since you so conveniently overlook it. Shut the fuck up already you ignorant fascist.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You keep bringing up the naziÂ’s when itÂ’s completely different. They were invading our countries, not the other way around.

If a rabbi was telling his followers(we will say group A) “hey those people(group B) over there are also my devoted followers, group A go kill them I support this, they don’t deserve to live! Group B would stop following that rabbi and that religion. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Austria and Germany were allies and both Nazis. Now if hitler told his Nazis in Germany hey go kill those Nazis in Austria! Fuck them I donÂ’t support them, do you honestly believe Austria would still ally themselves with Germany? Because what you are saying is they will. ThatÂ’s hilarious.
Russia and Germany were allies, did the Russians stay allies after Germany attacked them? Of course not.

Simple fact is, the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow said, kill all the Ukrainians, they donÂ’t deserve to live. cleanse them. Of course people he said that should die are going to stop following him and that religion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Ukraine

4% associated with the Moscow Patriarchate.
4% of 44m is 1.7mish.
Population of the two eastern regions? 1.4m

I understand that you seem to want to combine the Russian and Ukrainian orthodox religions together(They split well before this war), when they just arenÂ’t the same. Zelenskyy banned any religious activities linked to the Russian orthodox because the leader of the Russian orthodox supports the genocide of the Ukrainian people. He never did anything else to any other religion.

You mention sources, yet, you keep bringing up religious persecution and genocide, yet you have yet to provide ONE single source that proves it. ItÂ’s funny you keep demanding sourcesÂ… yet, you donÂ’t provide any yourself, isnÂ’t that being a little hypocritical??

The far East was heavily pro-Russian, and the majority there followed the Russian orthodox.

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The July 2022 KIIS survey found only 1 in 25 of Ukrainians (4%) identified with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP), a considerable drop from nearly 1/5 (18%) in June 2021 and 15% in June 2020 recorded in the same KIIS polling in the preceding years.

I keep posting this for you and you give me a wikipedia link to 2022 numbers. I'm specifically pointing out the 14% drop between 2021 to 2022. 2022 is when Zelensky banned their religion.

You're the one saying they are primarily in eastern Ukraine which is heavily pro-russian. These sides have been fighting for 0ver 8 years, they're not just going to up and leave their religion because they're told they need to kill the side that has been trying to kill them for 8 years.

The banning of the religion and the sudden 14% drop is the evidence of religious persecution. The banning of a religion is the persecution.

Would you call it religious persecution if we banned Islam in the US?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

The July 2022 KIIS survey found only 1 in 25 of Ukrainians (4%) identified with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP), a considerable drop from nearly 1/5 (18%) in June 2021 and 15% in June 2020 recorded in the same KIIS polling in the preceding years.

I keep posting this for you and you give me a wikipedia link to 2022 numbers. I'm specifically pointing out the 14% drop between 2021 to 2022. 2022 is when Zelensky banned their religion.

You're the one saying they are primarily in eastern Ukraine which is heavily pro-russian. These sides have been fighting for 0ver 8 years, they're not just going to up and leave their religion because they're told they need to kill the side that has been trying to kill them for 8 years.

The banning of the religion and the sudden 14% drop is the evidence of religious persecution. The banning of a religion is the persecution.

Would you call it religious persecution if we banned Islam in the US?

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You’re funny. Do you think what they were doing before the invasion is anything like post invasion?

Before the invasion did the Russian orthodox leader, promote, support and demand the cleansing and genocide of the Ukrainian people, and HIS OWN FOLLOWERS? News flash, he didn’t. Many of the pro-Russian people left in the eastern part of Ukraine are now against Russia because of what they’ve done.

For some reason you keep skipping over this point. Their own religious leader wants them dead.

Not before the invasion, after the invasion

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Their own religious leader, wanting his own followers to die and the genocide of the Ukrainian people… their friends, family and country, is a good reason for them to leave the Russian Orthodox Church

Next, can you please provide a link where Ukraine banned the Russian Orthodox Church? here’s a hint, you won’t find any, because they never did. They banned activities linked to Russia through the church, the religion isn’t banned.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start posting nonsense?

Your entire argument is based on religious persecution, because Ukraine supposedly banned the Russian Orthodox Church. Well since they never did, how are you going to move the goal post this time?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

The July 2022 KIIS survey found only 1 in 25 of Ukrainians (4%) identified with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP), a considerable drop from nearly 1/5 (18%) in June 2021 and 15% in June 2020 recorded in the same KIIS polling in the preceding years.

I keep posting this for you and you give me a wikipedia link to 2022 numbers. I'm specifically pointing out the 14% drop between 2021 to 2022. 2022 is when Zelensky banned their religion.

You're the one saying they are primarily in eastern Ukraine which is heavily pro-russian. These sides have been fighting for 0ver 8 years, they're not just going to up and leave their religion because they're told they need to kill the side that has been trying to kill them for 8 years.

The banning of the religion and the sudden 14% drop is the evidence of religious persecution. The banning of a religion is the persecution.

Would you call it religious persecution if we banned Islam in the US?

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BAHAHA, because demographics sampling by telephone interviews is such an accurate way to determine the makeup of one's war torn countryside. I can only imagine the phone calls in between air raid sirens and the distant sounds of shelling, folks were going to be REAL HONEST about giving away personal information a few months into the Russian invasion. "Good morning, yes I'm from the totally-not KGB gathering records about non-Russian infidel--- citizens. The following information will be stored in an unsecure location, and while we can't promise the information won't be used for a violent purging of those who don't hold Russian values, we do promise .. well nothing."

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You’re funny. Do you think what they were doing before the invasion is anything like post invasion?

Before the invasion did the Russian orthodox leader, promote, support and demand the cleansing and genocide of the Ukrainian people, and HIS OWN FOLLOWERS? News flash, he didn’t. Many of the pro-Russian people left in the eastern part of Ukraine are now against Russia because of what they’ve done.

For some reason you keep skipping over this point. Their own religious leader wants them dead.

Not before the invasion, after the invasion

Once again
Their own religious leader, wanting his own followers to die and the genocide of the Ukrainian people… their friends, family and country, is a good reason for them to leave the Russian Orthodox Church

Next, can you please provide a link where Ukraine banned the Russian Orthodox Church? here’s a hint, you won’t find any, because they never did. They banned activities linked to Russia through the church, the religion isn’t banned.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start posting nonsense?

Your entire argument is based on religious persecution, because Ukraine supposedly banned the Russian Orthodox Church. Well since they never did, how are you going to move the goal post this time?

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I already provided that link.

You and Seran are the ones who continue to not provide sources for your claims.

It's your turn to provide the sources to your claims.

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Originally Posted by Seran

BAHAHA, because demographics sampling by telephone interviews is such an accurate way to determine the makeup of one's war torn countryside. I can only imagine the phone calls in between air raid sirens and the distant sounds of shelling, folks were going to be REAL HONEST about giving away personal information a few months into the Russian invasion. "Good morning, yes I'm from the totally-not KGB gathering records about non-Russian infidel--- citizens. The following information will be stored in an unsecure location, and while we can't promise the information won't be used for a violent purging of those who don't hold Russian values, we do promise .. well nothing."

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After your religion is banned, would you answer a poll with a religion that's been banned?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

After your religion is banned, would you answer a poll with a religion that's been banned?

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The religion was never banned. But keep gaslighting all you want, doesn’t change that fact.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

The religion was never banned. But keep gaslighting all you want, doesn’t change that fact.

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Ukraine bans religious organizations with links to Russia

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https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy...f0204877a0004e

Now it's your turn to provide your sources.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy...f0204877a0004e

Now it's your turn to provide your sources.

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Did you even read your OWN LINK?

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine on Friday banned the activities of religious organizations “affiliated with centers of influence” in Russia and said it would examine the links between the Ukrainian and Russian Orthodox churches.

Once again, show me a link where the banned the religion. Not religious activities, linked to Russia.
Since it might be hard for you to understand. For example a Russian Orthodox Church member can’t hold a fundraiser to support and raise money for Russian troops. that would be an activity that’s linked to Russia.

This is hilarious. Ukraine: activities linked to Russia done by the Russian orthodox church are not allowed.

Neveragain: they banned the entire religion! This is religious persecution!!


FYI: you are more than welcome to go to one of the 7,000+ Russian orthodox churches in Ukraine, follow the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. It’s not illegal to do so, as it’s not been banned.

So once again, how are you going to move the goalposts post this time?