Swift Boat Vets to set record straight

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Originally posted by Backlash
Don't forget Iraq Body Count. They are counting civilian deaths, not Iraq army or insurgents, civilians. People like you and me who go about their daily lives just like we do.

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11,000 people killed. How many were killed under Saddam's government? How many Kurds did he have killed in norther Iraq? Let's not even count the troops Saddam sentenced to death by his invasion of Kuwait.

Any loss of life is tragic, but Iraq will be better off without Saddam in power. The Iraqis weren't able to oust him.. so we helped them.

The world is a safer place with Saddam out of power.

John Kerry was a big war hero to the people of North Vietnam. His picture is indeed hanging on the wall of heros in a museum in Hanoi, for his work after the war. His war recrod is questioned because he made it one of the center points of his campaign. He's lied about it quite a bit, most speccifically, his claims that he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve of 1968. No swift boats ever operated in Cambodia. He was never in Cambodia, on Christmas Eve of 1968, or any other time. He was wounded by his own grenade, applied for a Purple Heart, and his CO turned him down. In the end, he pushed the application through himself, and recieved his first purple heart for a scratch he recieved after firing an M-79 grenade launcher far short of the target. He recieved the shrapnel wound on his arm from that. At no time did his boat come under fire. He recieved a Silver star after beaching his boat, and shooting a wounded man in the back. He recieved the Bronze Star, and his third purple heart after fleeing the scene of a battle, then returning after it was over and pulling a man out of the water.

The only defense I've heard for this, is the ones making the accusations did not serve on his "Ship". A swift boat is a feaking boat, not a ship. It has a crew of 8 I believe. They did not operate independently. Swift Boats operated in groups, a single boat would be quickly destroyed, a group of boats supporting each other, however, were very effective in combat. So those who weren't on his "Ship" were on the boat next to his. The book, "Unfit For Command" is a collection of eye-witness reports from the men who served with John Kerry. They may not have been on his boat, but they were on the boat next to his. John Kerry has paraded a few men who served on his boat in front of the public durring his campaign. Sixty men who served alongside John Kerry, who bunked with John Kerry, who witness John Kerry's Actions, contributed to the book, "Unfit for Command." Personally, I'll belive the words of sixty men, over the words of 9 or 10.

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Originally posted by xtc
Today I heard that John Kerry is a hero in North Korea and that he is honoured in their war musuem along with the likes of Mao. I also heard a man who fought in a battle with Kerry says Kerry is a cowarded and that he was fleeing a battle other US boats were still in when one of his troops fell overboard and Kerry "saved" him. Let me say this I don't trust John Kerry but I trust Bush less

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You know.. I really have no issue with Kerry serving in Vietnam and supposedly running away. It's all heresay anyway and unprovable at this point in time.

I do have an issue with a guy who claims he can keep this country safe from harm.. but has spent the last 20 years doing far from that.

I have a problem with a guy who says he can make a difference, yet didn't take that opportunity in the past 20 years.

I have a problem with a guy who makes promises that are out of his control.

I simply believe Kerry is not trustworthy.

lol I always love the argument that the world is a safer place without Saddam. Who made this man? America. Guess what the world isn't a safer place now. The new Government will be make Saddam look like a kitten. There will be an alliance with Iran. No offense but most Americans don't understand the history of the region or the tribes or the variations of Islam there. You have to understand this before going off half cocked unilaterally charging into Iraq.

The Kurds were promise their own country by the UN in I think it was 1921 or so. It hasn't happened, none of the countries in the region want a Kurdistan. Some experts believe it was Iran that gassed the Kurds. Do you think a Shia Muslim Government working in concert with Iran is going to be nice to the Kurds? The Iranians hate the Kurds as much as the Iraqies. Iran/Iraq alliance do you understand what this means? The Muslim seat of power right now is held in Saudi Arabia by Sunni Muslims. An alliance of Shia Muslims in Iran and Iraq could threaten that. The world is a much scarier place now

Did you not see the guy who is heading this charge, he was on Fox..said he never actually served with Kerry..he took over his boat when he left.

So tell me, how many of those 60 guys really served with him, or like O'Neil, didn't serve at the same time, but were around in the same era?

How much of this is politically motivated, it's all of it!

-A

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

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Originally posted by Backlash
Don't forget Iraq Body Count. They are counting civilian deaths, not Iraq army or insurgents, civilians. People like you and me who go about their daily lives just like we do.

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11,000 people killed. How many were killed under Saddam's government? How many Kurds did he have killed in norther Iraq? Let's not even count the troops Saddam sentenced to death by his invasion of Kuwait.

Any loss of life is tragic, but Iraq will be better off without Saddam in power. The Iraqis weren't able to oust him.. so we helped them.

The world is a safer place with Saddam out of power.

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Here comes the bleeding heart thing again, its such bullshit, especially coming from conservative republicans. If we were so concerned over the welfare of Iraqis, why didn't we do something back in the 90s? Uh, it was because we were all of a sudden so concerned about Kuwatis?

Spin it up all you want. It would almost be funny, if it weren't so tragic.

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Originally posted by Ilvane
Did you not see the guy who is heading this charge, he was on Fox..said he never actually served with Kerry..he took over his boat when he left.

So tell me, how many of those 60 guys really served with him, or like O'Neil, didn't serve at the same time, but were around in the same era?

How much of this is politically motivated, it's all of it!

-A

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Well no shit it's politically motivated. If Kerry simply went home and worked at the local supermarket.. no one would even care.

Unfortunately, he is running for the highest position in the world and with that comes this type of scrutiny.

Do I think every one of the 60 Swift vets are telling the absolute truth about the 4 months Kerry served? Hardly.

Do I think Kerry is telling the truth about the 4 months he served? Hardly.

And please save your fingers the pain of typing out the sentence "Yea, well at least he served! Look at George Bush! HE DIDN'T!!". I understand that is the fall back response to anything brought up about Kerry's service. I get it. Over and out. Thanks alot. Buh Bye.

Yea, well at least he served! Look at George Bush! HE DIDN'T!!

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Originally posted by Backlash

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

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Originally posted by Backlash
Don't forget Iraq Body Count. They are counting civilian deaths, not Iraq army or insurgents, civilians. People like you and me who go about their daily lives just like we do.

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11,000 people killed. How many were killed under Saddam's government? How many Kurds did he have killed in norther Iraq? Let's not even count the troops Saddam sentenced to death by his invasion of Kuwait.

Any loss of life is tragic, but Iraq will be better off without Saddam in power. The Iraqis weren't able to oust him.. so we helped them.

The world is a safer place with Saddam out of power.

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Here comes the bleeding heart thing again, its such bullshit, especially coming from conservative republicans. If we were so concerned over the welfare of Iraqis, why didn't we do something back in the 90s? Uh, it was because we were all of a sudden so concerned about Kuwatis?

Spin it up all you want. It would almost be funny, if it weren't so tragic.

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When we liberated our ally Kuwait from the Iraqi invasion, there were many in the administration that said just that.. we should move on to topple the Iraqi government and get Saddam out of power. George Bush is said to have believed that by destroying much of the Armed forces, the country would be ripe for it's citizens to rise up and overturn the government themselves. This never took place as Saddam wasn't as weak as we predicted he was and quickly squelched the unrest with an iron fist.

If we knew then, what we knew later.. I'm sure we wouldn't have hesitated to just keep on going.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Foresight rarely is.

I say the same thing to Republicans when they say "Clinton could have killed Bin Laden YEARS before 9-11.. and he's such a pussy not to have done so."

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Originally posted by Kefka
Yea, well at least he served! Look at George Bush! HE DIDN'T!!

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Fuck.. I never thought of that comeback. Damn you Kefka.:wow: