More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I counted them all.

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lol. That actually made me laugh. You answered a question. Of course you were being an ass, to my assiness, but still.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Five

Year 1514 = You didn't work, you starved to death or lived on the streets.
Year 2014 = You don't work, you eat crab legs and get free rent.

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I wonder what people will be eating in 2514 if they don't work.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

What the heck are you even talking about? You think Republicans don't want to see lower healthcare costs? Like Republicans prefer to piss away money? Even if that were the case you can count this Republican out of that argument. So your argument of knowing my argument is ridiculous.



Again what the hell are you talking about? I'm not blaming Obamacare on why people will still file for bankruptcy, I'm blaming Obamacare for not fixing this problem.



Again you're making up my position and attacking said position and then arriving to the conclusion (based on this position of mine you have made up) that I don't want to actually help these people. Amazing.



I don't care why the law has no teeth now, the point is it doesn't have teeth. Look at all of the exemptions for people to not be required to have health insurance. Look at the penalties, look at how much the IRS' hands are tied when it comes to collecting said penalties.



Damn right I would have fought hard against this because the idea that insurance companies are going to save our healthcare is stupid. Insurance companies serve NO purpose in our nation's healthcare other than to increase the costs.

Insurance companies need to make a profit, they need to have overhead. Hospitals need to hire entire teams of staff just to fight with insurance companies to get paid. All insurance companies do is add to our healthcare costs and Obamacare's brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs? Give insurance companies an even greater role in our nation's healthcare.

Yay team Obama!

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Republicans don't want lower healthcare costs. The traditional conservative magic realism theory is that the profit motive will improve things for people. The reality is lobbyists just line the pockets of conservatives and then you're fed a lot of philosophy to back it up at institutions funded by the same people who will make money off the costs not falling.

Any actual method of reducing those costs would be opposed by Republicans, so you using this to complain about the ACA is ridiculous.

You suggest that ACA should stop bankruptcies yet any thought of helping people avoid bankruptcy is anathema to the party of not helping people.

You want the law to have teeth but your party took it to the Supreme Court to try to stop it from having teeth.

You don't like insurance companies. Me either. How quickly would the Republicans wail about communism and socialism if Obama nationalized insurance?

All these criticisms are ridiculous because your party is the enemy to all of them. Yet you use it to endlessly wail about Obama and the plan which you anthropomorphize because you're obsessed with him.

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Originally Posted by Methais

No, that doesn't happen at all in our country. He just made all that up because he's a hatemonger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2yT_ROmsrg

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The sad practice of buying votes at work.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Five

As far as the bold parts YES. When I worked at Walmart I would watch people come in and buy 900 dollars worth of groceries on an EBT card. Consisting of chips, pop, crab legs, very unhealthy choices. Then they walked outside, put their groceries in the back of a brand new Escalade on big ol' rims. Why would someone bother to do any better when they can save massive amounts of money by being poor and just setting that money aside for whatever while they can just spend the state dollars?

For the people that can't work, that's what family is for. Worked that way for thousands of years but now it can't? If you are too lazy to be able to provide for yourself you died or just lived in shitty conditions. Nature has it right. If you don't work to live you should die.

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Are you contending that welfare wages allow one to live on crab legs and drive escalades? I'm not doubting that you've seen this, but I'm skeptical that it's the norm or even possible. You can't save massive amounts of money because you're getting food stamps. You could if you had another source of income then scammed SNAP for 300 bucks a month that you invest wisely. Is that what those food stamp people are doing? Aren't most of the recipients children, elderly and disabled? If this is the case it sounds like our nation is missing out on a tremendous asset. We should get these food stamp people jobs at the treasury or the fed and let them put those big brains to work for good.

Now you want to talk about unhealthy food choices. Should we pass a law saying that if your EBT cards can only be used for fresh food, beans, rice, or whatever we currently think = healthy food? Who's going to enforce that? Bigger government? What will frito-lay say. How about Pizza Hut when the gov't tells the country that these are not healthy foods?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I can't speak for everyone but this is exactly what my sister and brother-in-law did.

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I appreciate that you phrased it this way. The thing is, we just don't know what the actual circumstances for each of these people are. It's easy to spot the outliers but how do we determine who is a professional thief from those who are really in need?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Republicans don't want lower healthcare costs. The traditional conservative magic realism theory is that the profit motive will improve things for people. The reality is lobbyists just line the pockets of conservatives and then you're fed a lot of philosophy to back it up at institutions funded by the same people who will make money off the costs not falling.

Any actual method of reducing those costs would be opposed by Republicans, so you using this to complain about the ACA is ridiculous.

You suggest that ACA should stop bankruptcies yet any thought of helping people avoid bankruptcy is anathema to the party of not helping people.

You want the law to have teeth but your party took it to the Supreme Court to try to stop it from having teeth.

You don't like insurance companies. Me either. How quickly would the Republicans wail about communism and socialism if Obama nationalized insurance?

All these criticisms are ridiculous because your party is the enemy to all of them. Yet you use it to endlessly wail about Obama and the plan which you anthropomorphize because you're obsessed with him.

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Quoted for proof that WB just invents nonsense to support his warped perception.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Quoted for proof that WB just invents nonsense to support his warped perception.

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I understand Republican policy positions. I'm such a "nonsense inventor".

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Republicans don't want lower healthcare costs.

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Really? Honestly?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Any actual method of reducing those costs would be opposed by Republicans, so you using this to complain about the ACA is ridiculous.

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You're not even making sense. Even if I were to buy into your argument that Republicans actually want high healthcare costs what does that have to do with my complaint about Obamacare?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You suggest that ACA should stop bankruptcies yet any thought of helping people avoid bankruptcy is anathema to the party of not helping people.

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Same question as above.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You want the law to have teeth but your party took it to the Supreme Court to try to stop it from having teeth.

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Same question as above above.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You don't like insurance companies. Me either. How quickly would the Republicans wail about communism and socialism if Obama nationalized insurance?

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Again I don't care why Obamacare is a failure now, simple fact of the matter is it's a failure. You're looking at pointing fingers at Republicans for opposing it, guess what? They opposed it anyways! So now we're left with a watered down, useless piece of legislation that not a single Republican in Congress voted for and your only argument is it's not better than it could have been because Republicans?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

All these criticisms are ridiculous because your party is the enemy to all of them.

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That's your argument? I can't criticize Obamacare because Congressional Republicans would have opposed all of the things I wanted to see in the law...even though Congressional Republicans opposed everything already in the law...

It's almost like you're trying to think of the stupidest argument possible so I can't possibly have anyway to refute it because it's just so stupid.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I wonder what people will be eating in 2514 if they don't work.

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Hopefully other people.

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Originally Posted by Atlanteax

Quoted for proof that WB just invents nonsense to support his warped perception.

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Is it proof? What did WB say that's incorrect?

Conservative values do speak to getting gov't out of the way, and the free market will sort it out.

The right came up with the individual mandate and ACA some years ago. Now these ideas have been co-opted by the Dems. What's the GOP plan today to reduce health care costs?

The last President made filing BK much harder for an American to file bankruptcy in a law that was pushed for by banks and credit card companies who'd apparently made bad loans.

The GOP did their best to defang ACA, after they tried to repeal it or ignore it.

We're already hearing a lot of talk about Obama being a socialist. Let him nationalize health care and we'll have a revolution.