What are your thoughts on basic universal income? It seems to me that something like that will eventually be necessary.
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What are your thoughts on basic universal income? It seems to me that something like that will eventually be necessary.
You talking to me? I'm assuming you're talking to me, even though you didn't do that neat little quote thing most people do when directly responding to someone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
My thoughts on "basic universal income"....first thought is...that's even a concept? Like...that's a real thing to consider? Someone somewhere came up with that in good faith?
I can only assume Marxist thought...the guy who never had a real job his entire life, never had any experience in finance, or government, or reality..."but he said a lot of nice things that would be nice!?:!?!"
You don't get paid unless you perform some sort of function that has some intrinsic value, be it a service or product. That isn't Marxism, or Capitalism, or Communism, or any other ism...that's just reality. How your specific product relates to the overall economy will most likely fall in to one of those categories, but at the core of it, you have to perform some sort of function in order to get paid. Period Dot.
All these Marxist and Communist wannabes have zero concept of how an economy actually works...
The terrible truth about your..."universal income"...and Marxism in general, is that it only works for a society of healthy people. Communism fails because there is no "safety net" for under achievers...and yes, I get that I'm combining "philosophies" here, but...the beginning and end results are the same, in this case. You want to believe that your Utopia of "fairness" will mean unfettered happiness for all involved...
When has that EVER been the case? Name one time. Capitalism, with all of its terrible downfalls, has created more wealthy, happy people...most likely you, most definitely me...than any other system ever attempted by any Nation or government on this planet since the beginning of time. To devalue that based on some misguided sense of...what? Jealousy because a small fraction are able to become stupid wealthy? You're willing to completely ignore the general wealth attained by everyone just because you're jealous of a handful that managed to make an obscene amount of money? Really?
Time to do some evaluations, man. I'd also suggest picking up a history book. Might put things in to perspective.
Well when you consider the direction technology is moving.. it isn't really a philosophical idea but just straight reality. Robotics, advanced AI, 3D printing on a mass scale, free sources of energy.
Communism and jealousy.. :lol:
At least two Libertarians support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
http://www.conallboyle.com/BasicInco...rrayReview.pdf
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2014/08/...come-guarantee
It's already a concept. The government calls it a poverty line, you call it a comfortable income, other people call it basic universal income. Don't get hung up on the term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Humans have intrinsic value simply by existing. It's really hard to make a system of government without this ground state assumption. You can get really creative with the definition of "human", obviously, but every government has decided that at least some people are intrinsically valuable. Hence laws against murder, hence the concept of rights, and so on.Quote:
You don't get paid unless you perform some sort of function that has some intrinsic value
You get the humor in your saying this when you personally derived tens of thousands of dollars from socialism, right?Quote:
Capitalism, with all of its terrible downfalls, has created more wealthy, happy people...most likely you, most definitely me...than any other system ever attempted by any Nation or government on this planet since the beginning of time.