More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

If more people pay for their healthcare it will reduce costs.

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IF. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You would bitch and moan about price fixing if it did that, so your complaint is disengenuous bullshit.

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I love how you claim my argument is "disengenuous bullshit" based on your "knowledge" of what I would say if something else were to happen. I can't even begin to, what?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I'm puzzled how people unrelated to the bill are somehow one of your complaints against the bill.

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What are you even talking about?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

There are teeth in the law

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Really? So what happens if someone doesn't have health insurance?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

We're not "giving everyone insurance." People who think that probably only read chain emails from angry retirees. Do you want that to be you?

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We're not making sure everyone has health insurance? Gee sure sounds like the law is a bigger failure than I realized. Unless of course you are being disingenuous yourself and you think by "everyone" I literally meant everyone and not every American citizen.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

IF. Thank you.



I love how you claim my argument is "disengenuous bullshit" based on your "knowledge" of what I would say if something else were to happen. I can't even begin to, what?



What are you even talking about?



Really? So what happens if someone doesn't have health insurance?



We're not making sure everyone has health insurance? Gee sure sounds like the law is a bigger failure than I realized. Unless of course you are being disingenuous yourself and you think by "everyone" I literally meant everyone and not every American citizen.

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More people are already paying for their healthcare.

If we fixed prices you and every other Republican would qq about it. So your costs line is ridiculous.

When you complain about the current system not stopping bankruptcies OUTSIDE of people effected by the healthcare law it's really stupid to somehow blame that on the healthcare law. You'd complain if we addressed that, too, so it's disengenuous. You don't actually want to help them.

If someone doesn't have insurance you want the law to have teeth in it. Yet the Republican Party decided the sky was falling because this law actually made people pay if they didn't have insurance. They thought this to the point they took it to the Supreme Court. It's two sides of your mouth bullshit.

Now we come to your idea that the law should make everyone have health insurance, but you and the Republicans would have fought even harder about that. It's again pure bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Five

No but when you continue to let it be a systemic problem then you aren't doing anything to help it.

You have McDonald worker X. Worker X only makes 1200$ a month. We give X food stamps, cash assistance, rental assistance, free healthcare. X feels no need to work towards a better future when they are able to get assistance for taking the easy road. X meets Y and has Z. X and Y teach Z that you get free stuff for doing little to no work. Z grows up knowing this and does what X and Y did.

Now if X went and worked at finding a better job/went up the corp ladder/found a skill set. X then meets Y and has Z. X and Y teaches Z that you can do better than the minimum.

I just solved the welfare crisis!

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Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam? And how do you know? Are you mind reading? Maybe the NSA is capturing this data and reporting on it.

Let's say that everyone job opening got filled. In November we had 4 million job openings. In December there were 10.4 million unemployed. Even in this perfect world scenario what do we do with the 6.4 million that there is no job for? What about the people who can't work for whatever reason? Are these the ones we let starve? Maybe put them down because they're obviously Takers?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

More people are already paying for their healthcare.

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More people are supposedly paying for health insurance, that doesn't mean they are going to pay for their healthcare.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

If we fixed prices you and every other Republican would qq about it. So your costs line is ridiculous.

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What the heck are you even talking about? You think Republicans don't want to see lower healthcare costs? Like Republicans prefer to piss away money? Even if that were the case you can count this Republican out of that argument. So your argument of knowing my argument is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

When you complain about the current system not stopping bankruptcies OUTSIDE of people effected by the healthcare law it's really stupid to somehow blame that on the healthcare law.

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Again what the hell are you talking about? I'm not blaming Obamacare on why people will still file for bankruptcy, I'm blaming Obamacare for not fixing this problem.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

You'd complain if we addressed that, too, so it's disengenuous. You don't actually want to help them.

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Again you're making up my position and attacking said position and then arriving to the conclusion (based on this position of mine you have made up) that I don't want to actually help these people. Amazing.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

If someone doesn't have insurance you want the law to have teeth in it. Yet the Republican Party decided the sky was falling because this law actually made people pay if they didn't have insurance. They thought this to the point they took it to the Supreme Court. It's two sides of your mouth bullshit.

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I don't care why the law has no teeth now, the point is it doesn't have teeth. Look at all of the exemptions for people to not be required to have health insurance. Look at the penalties, look at how much the IRS' hands are tied when it comes to collecting said penalties.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Now we come to your idea that the law should make everyone have health insurance, but you and the Republicans would have fought even harder about that. It's again pure bullshit.

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Damn right I would have fought hard against this because the idea that insurance companies are going to save our healthcare is stupid. Insurance companies serve NO purpose in our nation's healthcare other than to increase the costs.

Insurance companies need to make a profit, they need to have overhead. Hospitals need to hire entire teams of staff just to fight with insurance companies to get paid. All insurance companies do is add to our healthcare costs and Obamacare's brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs? Give insurance companies an even greater role in our nation's healthcare.

Yay team Obama!

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam?

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I can't speak for everyone but this is exactly what my sister and brother-in-law did.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam? And how do you know? Are you mind reading? Maybe the NSA is capturing this data and reporting on it.

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No, that doesn't happen at all in our country. He just made all that up because he's a hatemonger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2yT_ROmsrg

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam? And how do you know? Are you mind reading? Maybe the NSA is capturing this data and reporting on it.

Let's say that everyone job opening got filled. In November we had 4 million job openings. In December there were 10.4 million unemployed. Even in this perfect world scenario what do we do with the 6.4 million that there is no job for? What about the people who can't work for whatever reason? Are these the ones we let starve? Maybe put them down because they're obviously Takers?

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You or someone counted every single job opening in America? Or is that just an estimate based on 1000 calls?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam? And how do you know? Are you mind reading? Maybe the NSA is capturing this data and reporting on it.

Let's say that everyone job opening got filled. In November we had 4 million job openings. In December there were 10.4 million unemployed. Even in this perfect world scenario what do we do with the 6.4 million that there is no job for? What about the people who can't work for whatever reason? Are these the ones we let starve? Maybe put them down because they're obviously Takers?

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As far as the bold parts YES. When I worked at Walmart I would watch people come in and buy 900 dollars worth of groceries on an EBT card. Consisting of chips, pop, crab legs, some very expensive and unhealthy choices. Then they walked outside, put their groceries in the back of a brand new Escalade on big ol' rims. Why would someone bother to do any better when they can save massive amounts of money by being poor and just setting that money aside for whatever while they can just spend the state dollars?

For the people that can't work, that's what family is for. Worked that way for thousands of years but now it can't? If you are too lazy to be able to provide for yourself you died or just lived in shitty conditions. Nature has it right. If you don't work to live you should die.

Year 1514 = You didn't work, you starved to death or lived on the streets.
Year 2014 = You don't work, you eat crab legs and get free rent.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

You or someone counted every single job opening in America? Or is that just an estimate based on 1000 calls?

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I counted them all.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Is this actually what's happening in our economy? These folks are just making a conscious decision to not work because they can get poverty level income from Uncle Sam? And how do you know? Are you mind reading? Maybe the NSA is capturing this data and reporting on it.

Let's say that everyone job opening got filled. In November we had 4 million job openings. In December there were 10.4 million unemployed. Even in this perfect world scenario what do we do with the 6.4 million that there is no job for? What about the people who can't work for whatever reason? Are these the ones we let starve? Maybe put them down because they're obviously Takers?

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You do realize that the reason there is a "welfare baby" meme, is because there ARE welfare babies, right?