Swift Boat Vets to set record straight

Funny .. I think tha using the term "retarded" in any politcal discourse does no good for your cause.

Anyways .. I don't ascribe to the theory, but to say it wasn't bandied about as a reason for Bush the 2nd to go after Saddam and dismiss it out of hand is to not have been paying attention. It's based on two things:

First off at the end of Gulf I there were a LOT of people in the Bush Administration at the time who wanted to keep going and get Saddam. There were a lot of reasons not to - but the decision haunted many in the Administration. They won the war but Saddam was able to keep his regime. Sect'y of Defense at the time - Dick Cheney.

And then there's this statement by Bush: "There's no doubt he can't stand us. After all, this is a guy that tried to kill my dad at one time."

So .. there was a conventional wisdom that said that part of Bush's motivation was to "finish the job" in Iraq that his dad left undone.

Again - I happen to not ascribe to this particular line of reasoning, but it's not exactly the "nothing" you make it out ot be.

-P

But if it's reputable news outlets you need:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068684/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...5-oplede_x.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...bush.war.talk/

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Wo...dam030318.html

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...r.bush.saddam/

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

Chyrain, I think Slider was talking about prevailing winds on this board, not necessarily in the world at large. On this board, allusions are often made to Bush II going to war on account of his father.

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Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Chyrain, I think Slider was talking about prevailing winds on this board, not necessarily in the world at large. On this board, allusions are often made to Bush II going to war on account of his father.

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My bad. Everyone doesn't really mean EVERYone. Just the few people here. Gotchya.

But still if you're retarded* about the way you handle your side of the argument, then you'll never let anyone see the validity of your point.

* retard: To put off; hinder; impede; obstruct.

apologies to anyone who thought I was calling anyone a retard

I tend to think when people start degrading the conversation into calling each other idiots or retarded, it's gone too far.

Of course, when we are talking about the candidate it's different, but the people we are debating with, it's not necessary.

-A

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Originally posted by Ilvane
I tend to think when people start degrading the conversation into calling each other idiots or retarded, it's gone too far.

Of course, when we are talking about the candidate it's different, but the people we are debating with, it's not necessary.

-A

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Ah.. so we can call Bush stupid and retarded.. just not any of the posters of this forum? How is it we can do this? Because we know George Bush SO MUCH better than we know each other?

How convenient and hypocritical.

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

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Originally posted by Ilvane
I tend to think when people start degrading the conversation into calling each other idiots or retarded, it's gone too far.

Of course, when we are talking about the candidate it's different, but the people we are debating with, it's not necessary.

-A

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Ah.. so we can call Bush stupid and retarded.. just not any of the posters of this forum? How is it we can do this? Because we know George Bush SO MUCH better than we know each other?

How convenient and hypocritical.

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No .. the POINT .. you moronic fucking gasbag .. is that when you attack the poster instead of the ideas .. you facist toadlicker .. you lose any hope of any sort of intelligent discourse and exchange of ideas .. you shitheaded douchetray.

Make sense?

<snicker>

-P

[Edited on 8-10-2004 by Prestius]

:lol:

Here's a little article (well documented) on the co-author of the Swift Boat Vets book that's coming out. It's really quite informative. A very interesting choice they made. What's that phrase? You are known by the company you keep?

Just who is Jerome Corsi?

Raven

O'Neil was on Hannity and Colmes tonight. I found a few things interesting:

1) He never actually served *with* John Kerry. He took over his boat when he left. He was not a first hand witness.

2) Most of the men that he quotes in his book, they did not serve directly with John Kerry.

3) The commanders initially recommended him for his awards. Now they are saying things about he was disgraceful for testifying about what happened in the war, and for being against it(to me this is the bottom line of what they are doing)

4) James Rassman, the man who John Kerry saved his life, is a registered Republican. He only came out when Kerry was under attack by men like O'Neil.

There were lots of other things I wanted to post, but I have to get to work..maybe later.:)

-A