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So am I to infer your position is there was no failure by the Taliban in the eleven months Trump was in office to meet the conditions of the withdrawal? That you now claim there were violations only after 01/20/2021 when Biden took office which you've identified that support your belief Biden should have scrapped Trump's negotiated surrender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
This is the agreement so you don’t have to take my word on the conditions: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...eclaration.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Seran
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...n-02.29.20.pdf
To answer your question about violations on the Taliban side during Trump’s term as President, there really weren’t any. The agreement had to do with a safe orderly withdrawal, and a promise by the Taliban to recognize the Afghan government & not allow terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda to operate in their borders.
Beginning May 1st 2021, the Taliban started an offensive attacking Afghan forces. It became abundantly clear then that the Taliban was not holding up their side of the deal. This was mere weeks after Biden announced that we would be withdrawing all forces targeting 9/11 as the symbolic date for the final withdrawal. The Taliban captured the Kabal airport August 15th & the existing Afghan government effectively collapsed. This was well before we withdrew all forces and personnel. Still, Biden decided to move forward with his self imposed withdrawal timetable.
Would Trump have done the same? He has repeatedly said he would not have. I suppose we will never know for certain since he wasn’t President during that time. What is certain and universally understood is that Biden fucked up big time. 13 US troops died during the process. The Taliban control and run the country even before we exited. It has been reported that terror cells now operate within Afghanistan. We left behind thousands of people to be slaughtered and billions of dollars worth of military equipment to our enemies. The blame for that end result is firmly on Biden.
This is absolutely, 100%, without any doubt, correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
LOL, the deal was broken the very same year it was signed as the Taliban failed to enter peace talks with the Afghanistan government. Trump did not involve the very country the two groups were in ongoing battle over, and set a hard timetable for withdrawal that saw the majority of troops (but not support personnel or civilians) gone before he left office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Biden didn't withdraw from the Doha Surrender, it is true. To do so would mean organizing UN partners to redeploy assets and personnel that Trump had just removed or instructed allies to remove. After nearly twenty years of Bush's failed Afghan invasion and trillions of dollars, the only thing we have to show for it was Trump's surrender agreement.
Eleven months. Eleven whole months passed without equipment and assets being drawn down by the United States under Trump. Somehow that's Biden's fault for not ordering the sitting president to get off his flabby ass. Lol
Even Seran knows this, he's really just that full of shit because he's a greasy scumbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I do not concede, but for the sake of argument let’s say that everything you are saying about Trump negotiating a bad deal & all of that is his fault. Let’s say for just a moment that Biden inherited a gigantic mess and surrender as you put it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Did Biden have to go through with the withdrawal as he did? I mean, he had no problem stoping other US commitments like the Keystone pipeline or building the wall on our southern border. Why was he forced to withdraw troops in the way he did. In retrospect, do you think he could have done something different & possibly better?
Sure Biden as Vice President could have taken the position in 2008 that he and the Obama Administration would have ended the disasterous Afghanistan Occupation within twelve months. They didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Nor did Trump for that matter, as in the 18 months negotiators were hashing out the agreement, Trump's own intelligence service pointed out the Taliban had Al Queda fighters within its ranks and so were in violation of the agreement from day 1. Let us not forget the 5 to 1 prisoner exchange favoring the Taliban either.
If Trump was as dead set as getting us out of Afghanistan as he claimed, he'd have begun day 1 by forcing Afghanistan, Pakistan due to their Taliban connections, and the Taliban itself to hammer out a peace deal.
I’m not so sure. It’s hard for me to tell if Seran actually believes all the bullshit he is being spoon fed by his overlords is delicious & nutritious, or if deep down he knows that at least some of it tastes awful but pretends it’s great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
After years of interaction, my money is on he is in fact too dumb to know this. The retardation that is Seran is a deep dark abyss that has no bottom.
But it's free, so sErAn is there, mouth wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Remember that time you thought sErAn really wasn't retarded.Quote:
After years of interaction, my money is on he is in fact too dumb to know this. The retardation that is Seran is a deep dark abyss that has no bottom.
Good times.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It’s hard to believe anyone is that retarded. Thousands of years from now historians will be studying these ancient posts from the early Information Age and marvel at Seran’s stupidity.