George Floyd killing and the aftermath

I heard sometimes people say things to police thinking it'll change the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

have you ever been arrested? It can cause panic attacks, which can lead to the feeling of claustrophobia, shortness of breath, trouble breathing, elevated heart rate, among other things, being on drugs, also adds to the overall panic of the situation.

him saying i can't breathe could be from any number of factors above, and pulling him out of the cop car and putting a knee on him (which can even further enhance what i listed above), while he's still saying he cant breathe, just makes the entire situation worse.

All I'm getting at, what transpired before, and after the knee on the neck, about him saying I can't breathe, doesn't make him saying i can't breathe while the officers knee was on his neck, any less of a concern or invalidates, the knee on the neck caused him trouble breathing, it enhanced it and the overall situation, to the point a man died.
simply saying, he said he can't breathe before the officer put his knee on the his neck, doesn't change that fact.

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I have, and there were no panic attacks or any of that. Being on meth + fentanyl or whatever he was on would have probably changed that though.

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Originally Posted by drauz

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-...ation-details/

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But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression."

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The county autopsy said Floyd had "other significant conditions" including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; [and] recent methamphetamine use."

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So like I said, he died of cardiac arrest (my bad before saying heart attack) which was complicated by his arrest and the subdual tactics of the officers. That is miles away from "asphyxiating someone to death."

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Originally Posted by Methais

I have, and there were no panic attacks or any of that. Being on meth + fentanyl or whatever he was on would have probably changed that though.

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I have as well, and never had a panic attack, but I know some who have. Being on drugs probably did have an influence on it.

He died from the douche kneeling on his neck and not paying attention to a man in distress. I don't GAF what the autopsy report says. You can watch video where the life leaves his body. I need no degrees to tell you what transpired.

I agree meth and fentanyl contributed, possibly could have snuffed him out if he was alone doing nothing - but its really easy to see the cop killed him. Everything else is just hypotheticals. Besides, LEOs are supposed to be trained to observe and react to someone in distress like that, not kneel harder.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-...ation-details/





So like I said, he died of cardiac arrest (my bad before saying heart attack) which was complicated by his arrest and the subdual tactics of the officers. That is miles away from "asphyxiating someone to death."

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Cardiac arrest is a sudden loss of blood flow resulting from the failure of the heart to pump effectively. Signs include loss of consciousness and abnormal or absent breathing.

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I wonder if sitting on a carotid artery could also result in a sudden loss of blood flow.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

He died from the douche kneeling on his neck and not paying attention to a man in distress. I don't GAF what the autopsy report says. You can watch video where the life leaves his body. I need no degrees to tell you what transpired.

I agree meth and fentanyl contributed, possibly could have snuffed him out if he was alone doing nothing - but its really easy to see the cop killed him. Everything else is just hypotheticals. Besides, LEOs are supposed to be trained to observe and react to someone in distress like that, not kneel harder.

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Charge him with manslaughter then. I'm not saying the cop is innocent, I just don't think premeditated murder is anything close to what happened here.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Charge him with manslaughter then. I'm not saying the cop is innocent, I just don't think premeditated murder is anything close to what happened here.

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It is murder, how can you say it's not? Their job is to protect and serve. A man, who has vocally said he has trouble breathing or can't breathe, and you go out and put your knee on the guys neck for NINE minutes, while he keeps screaming that he's in distress, and can't breathe? That's murder.

Under the common law (law originating from custom and court decisions rather than statutes), murder was an intentional killing that was:

unlawful (in other words, not legally justified), and
committed with "malice aforethought."
Malice aforethought doesn't mean that a killer has to have acted out of spite or hate. It exists if a defendant intends to kill someone without legal justification or excuse. In addition, in most states, malice aforethought isn't limited to intentional killings. It can also exist if the killer:

intentionally inflicts serious bodily harm that causes the victim's death, or
behaves in a way that shows extreme, reckless disregard for life and results in the victim's death.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

It is murder, how can you say it's not? Their job is to protect and serve. A man, who has vocally said he has trouble breathing or can't breathe, and you go out and put your knee on the guys neck for NINE minutes, while he keeps screaming that he's in distress, and can't breathe? That's murder.

Under the common law (law originating from custom and court decisions rather than statutes), murder was an intentional killing that was:

unlawful (in other words, not legally justified), and
committed with "malice aforethought."
Malice aforethought doesn't mean that a killer has to have acted out of spite or hate. It exists if a defendant intends to kill someone without legal justification or excuse. In addition, in most states, malice aforethought isn't limited to intentional killings. It can also exist if the killer:

intentionally inflicts serious bodily harm that causes the victim's death, or
behaves in a way that shows extreme, reckless disregard for life and results in the victim's death.

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Oh Gods, now time4morePhDs has a minion claiming legal expertise.

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Oh Gods, now time4morePhDs has a minion claiming legal expertise.

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He probably just heard about it....