Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

How do you figure? Russia still isn’t hurting much from Western sanctions, they just started selling more oil to China and India at a discount and considering the high cost of oil they are selling the oil for roughly what they were before Western sanctions.

Europe is hurting a hell of a lot more than Russia is. Look it up. They are keeping the AC off to save electricity and are expected to freeze their asses off come winter time. Oh and inflation is killing their economy too. But don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative.

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Russia is actually hurting quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Russia is actually hurting quite a bit.

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Source besides “trust me bro”?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I said IF another country started a war with Russia and they got desperate enough. What do you think Russia is gonna do? Just let another country conquer them when they have nukes at their disposal?

The optics wouldn't be that bad at all if Russia is defender in this hypothetical situation. You think it's just a coincidence that nuclear armed countries haven't been attacked since they acquired nukes?

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You keep conflating things. There's a big difference between not wanting to be under Russia's thumb and starting a war with them. Georgia isn't sitting there saying, "oh cool, it's our chance to conquer Russia!" Don't be so deliberately obtuse.

By the way, the Ukraine didn't start a war with Russia.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Soon Russia is going to start work on a pipeline to deliver gas to China, which they claim will export about the same amount as they were exporting to the EU prior to Western sanctions.

So...yeah...I'm sticking with my original argument that Russia is suffering very little due to all of this.

Sure their failure to conduct an offensive war against a country that is receiving high tech and modern equipment from the US and other Western nations is being exposed, but that's about it.

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And China will be able to set the price, not Russia. They are only selling to like, two countries now, as opposed to the dozens they had before. India and China, however, can always tell Rusia their prices are too high and buy from somewhere else.

It is NEVER a good thing for business when your customer base shrinks.

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Originally Posted by Archigeek

Georgia isn't sitting there saying, "oh cool, it's our chance to conquer Russia!" Don't be so deliberately obtuse.

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That's exactly what Alfster said might happen! He's the one who said Georgia is looking to go to war with Russia now because of Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by Archigeek

By the way, the Ukraine didn't start a war with Russia.

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No shit, which is why I said:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

The absolute dumbest thing any country (other than Ukraine) can do right now is attack Russia.

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Context! How does it work?!

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Originally Posted by Gelston

And China will be able to set the price, not Russia. They are only selling to like, two countries now, as opposed to the dozens they had before. India and China, however, can always tell Rusia their prices are too high and buy from somewhere else.

It is NEVER a good thing for business when your customer base shrinks.

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The population of China and India is over 6 times that of the entire EU, those two countries alone are a much larger market than all of the EU.

And sure China and India can tell Russia their prices are too high, but why would they? They are already getting Russian energy for a discount compared to the current market rate, what is China and India going to do? Stop buying cheap Russian energy and buy more expensive energy on the world market and pay more to have it shipped to their country?

It's apparently not an easy thing to do to get alternate sources of energy, otherwise the EU would have told Russia to fuck off and simply bought more from other sources rather than tell their citizens to stop using so much electricity and gas.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

The population of China and India is over 6 times that of the entire EU, those two countries alone are a much larger market than all of the EU.

And sure China and India can tell Russia their prices are too high, but why would they? They are already getting Russian energy for a discount compared to the current market rate, what is China and India going to do? Stop buying cheap Russian energy and buy more expensive energy on the world market and pay more to have it shipped to their country?

It's apparently not an easy thing to do to get alternate sources of energy, otherwise the EU would have told Russia to fuck off and simply bought more from other sources rather than tell their citizens to stop using so much electricity and gas.

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And prior to this they also sold gas to them AND the EU member nations. Russia is stuck selling to ONLY those two countries, but India and China can always buy anywhere they want. Again, losing customers is never good. Russia is basically becoming a puppet of India and China.. .Two countries that don't really even like each other and have small engagements often enough. You know how much it'll fuck up Russia if China and India decide to have a larger conflict? They'll both take exception to the other one getting natural gas from Russia.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

It is NEVER a good thing for business when your customer base shrinks.

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Simutronics disagrees.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Simutronics disagrees.

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Putin orders partial mobilization.....

"Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the partial mobilization of his country’s military Wednesday, calling up reservists in a significant escalation of his war in Ukraine after battlefield setbacks left the Kremlin facing growing pressure to act."

"Speaking after him, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said an initial 300,000 reservists would be called up."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...-war-rcna48585