More Obamacare fuckups

Not to bring us back on topic or anything, but I read a great news article the other day, was just an AP article so i'm sure it was published in many papers, and can probably be found online, but i'm fucking lazy...

Anyway, basically it was a write-up of the jobs added in the last year or so. I don't like to gloat, or say "I told you so"...oh, wait, I do. The vast majority of the jobs added are low wage, part-time jobs....which is EXACTLY what I said would happen 2 months ago in this very thread!

Obamacare and a rising minimum wage will destroy full-time employment in the industries that employ MOST Americans. It's ALREADY happening, just from the THREAT of Obamacare. Imagine how bad it will be when it goes into full effect.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Florida and Colorado. Both states had a republican sec state who made a big stink over election fraud prior to the Nov. '12 election and both were proven wrong. They also both targeted citizens with hispanic last names who were likely democrats. It's fucking shameful and every patriotic American should be pissed about this kind of abuse, even if it comes from the party with which you identify the most strongly.

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I'll ask again; where was it proven that election fraud is phony?

Also earlier you said:

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Originally Posted by cwolff

The secretary of the state of colorado initially said there were 11million non-citizens on the voter roles. He sent letters to 4,000 telling them to confirm their citizenship. Ultimately there were only 141 non-citizens in a state with a population of 3.5 million voters. Florida had a similar experience.

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Am I just totally reading this wrong or is it saying 141 non-citizens were on the voter roles? Isn't that voter fraud?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

It's sad that you sink to such a juvenile level.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Put the Kool-Aid down and wake up to smell the coffee. We need educated voters. I encourage you to get educated. I know it'll be uncomfortable and you have my sympathy but it's worth the effort.

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Thanks for the laugh.

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Obamacare and a rising minimum wage will destroy full-time employment in the industries that employ MOST Americans. It's ALREADY happening, just from the THREAT of Obamacare. Imagine how bad it will be when it goes into full effect.

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You're information's not wrong (Minimum wage is rising at a slow enough rate that it is essentially falling or maybe a better way to state it is that it's failing to keep up which amounts to the same thing as a decline over the years so that part was wrong.) but your conclusions are incomplete at best. You're seeing an effect then extrapolating to what appears to be the likely cause. It's a good start but you have a hell of a lot more work to do if you want to say that Obamacare or even the THREAT of Obamacare is the cause.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I'll ask again; where was it proven that election fraud is phony?

Also earlier you said:



Am I just totally reading this wrong or is it saying 141 non-citizens were on the voter roles? Isn't that voter fraud?





Thanks for the laugh.

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I guess what I'm saying is that you are an idiot. I've been trying to avoid stating the obvious but you just keep pushing. Voter fraud is not a problem. The system works. The question you need to be asking is "Why in the hell are republican politicians making such a big deal out of a non-issue?" Follow the money Bernstein and you'll eventually figure it out.

Ah I see, we've gone from "there is no voter fraud!" to "voter fraud is not a problem."

Keep on back peddling, maybe you can go back in time far enough to stop John Wilkes Booth.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

Not to bring us back on topic or anything, but I read a great news article the other day, was just an AP article so i'm sure it was published in many papers, and can probably be found online, but i'm fucking lazy...

Anyway, basically it was a write-up of the jobs added in the last year or so. I don't like to gloat, or say "I told you so"...oh, wait, I do. The vast majority of the jobs added are low wage, part-time jobs....which is EXACTLY what I said would happen 2 months ago in this very thread!

Obamacare and a rising minimum wage will destroy full-time employment in the industries that employ MOST Americans. It's ALREADY happening, just from the THREAT of Obamacare. Imagine how bad it will be when it goes into full effect.

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I forget which PC poster I was talking to about this, but it proves my point very well. The nominal value of minimum wage goes up, Thondalar envisions wholesale destruction of full-time employment. Did Thondalar adjust for inflation? Did Thondalar consider a certain basket of goods? No. The number is bigger than the number used to number. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Let's also consider the (what I will assume is correct) assertion about the distribution of jobs. Is the "vast majority" of low wage, part-time jobs more, less, or the same as the proportion of jobs that were added in 2003, 1993, 1963, etc.?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Ah I see, we've gone from "there is no voter fraud!" to "voter fraud is not a problem."

Keep on back peddling, maybe you can go back in time far enough to stop John Wilkes Booth.

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It is very interesting to me that you would use quotation marks here (generally used to indicate a quote), especially given your recent criticism of my quotes of President (so-called) Obama.

Let me ask you this: is there any possibility that your first interpretation of cwolff's remarks did not reflect what he meant or what they actually meant? Put another way, is there any possibility that the issue isn't cwolff changing position but you changing understanding?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Ah I see, we've gone from "there is no voter fraud!" to "voter fraud is not a problem."

Keep on back peddling, maybe you can go back in time far enough to stop John Wilkes Booth.

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LOL

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Ah I see, we've gone from "there is no voter fraud!" to "voter fraud is not a problem."

Keep on back peddling, maybe you can go back in time far enough to stop John Wilkes Booth.

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You are arguing for perfection. It's not attainable little buddy. I hate to break it to you. Your parents probably should have had this talk with you when you were just a little idealist but I guess they failed.

You think you are winning a debate through some self-sealing circular logic. It's sad Tg. Like I said before I hope you're just acting out in here. Maybe PC is the place where you let your inner child out of the cage so that she can get some attention. You are attempting to draw some conclusion about democrats (BTW: I'm not a democrat) by positing an impossible position. It's weak and beneath you. I'm confident you can do better and again I encourage you to keep trying. I've not given up on you yet! With a little bit of work I'm confident you can say something that actually means something.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

It is very interesting to me that you would use quotation marks here (generally used to indicate a quote), especially given your recent criticism of my quotes of President (so-called) Obama.

Let me ask you this: is there any possibility that your first interpretation of cwolff's remarks did not reflect what he meant or what they actually meant? Put another way, is there any possibility that the issue isn't cwolff changing position but you changing understanding?

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Again this is what he said:

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Originally Posted by cwolff

What dead voters? Election fraud like this is just not happening. Post some examples of where it does happen with links that substantiate these claims.

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Then after Methais posted a link as he requested he suddenly changed his tune to (paraphrasing) (happy now?) "well yeah but that's such a small number..." and now he's saying (again paraphrasing) "voter fraud just isn't that big of a deal" and now you're saying that all along he meant voter fraud isn't a big deal and not that there was no voter fraud.

That's like the exact definition of back peddling.