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Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's like you're trying to now prove my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Is election fraud not that big of a deal as long as it's just a small number that can be proven or what?
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's like you're trying to now prove my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Is election fraud not that big of a deal as long as it's just a small number that can be proven or what?
The system we have in place is damn near flawless. Of all the things our government does this one works. It's obviously not broken yet the right is hell bent on fixing it. As an American citizen how can you not be enraged by this? Don't you care about things like the bill of rights?
Put the Kool-Aid down and wake up to smell the coffee. We need educated voters. I encourage you to get educated. I know it'll be uncomfortable and you have my sympathy but it's worth the effort.
Dead people and non US citizens are voting and you're saying the system is not broken? Are you for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Isn't that the exact kind of shit we make fun of "third world" countries for when it comes to their elections?
This is how fearmongering works, yes. They want to get you up in arms about $2m a year to NPR while they spend billions on unneeded, unwanted, outdated military vehicles. They want to get you up in arms about 0.004% of the vote in one state so you don't blame them for their own electoral shortcomings: "we didn't lose, the other guys cheated!"
Personally I don't think They have had a hit since 1966, so I don't know why you find the Them so compelling.
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's like I can see the future! Selling lotto numbers, one million silvers per set of six!Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
The easy way to fix this is to have a government photo ID required when you vote.. just like you have to show an ID to get alcohol, a place to live, welfare, unemployment, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
But, if you ask for an ID, you somehow hate minorities........
The correct phrasing would be seeing the past. cwolff never said election fraud is just not happening full stop. cwolff said fraud like this is not happening, implying that there is some happening but it is a negligible amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
If you mean that you are well aware that election fraud is a phony, fabricated issue and were trolling by pretending you didn't, that could also be correct.
This is what crb would call a static accounting fail, if he ever considered criticizing positions he agreed with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It is not immediately apparent why asking for an ID would disproportionately effect minorities, but it was immediately apparent to Descartes that the Christian God existed. Hence, judging by what is immediately apparent has been repeatedly wrong in the past, you should not do it now. There are many sources of data (not appearance, data) available to you if you would like to investigate this issue empirically rather than going by your gut reaction.
But yet two people came along and said pretty much exactly what I said they would say. That's the future man, the future!Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
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Originally Posted by Methais
Sure sounds like cwolff is saying dead people don't vote. Methais never specified any numbers, he just said it happens. If cwolff meant it didn't happen much (which is hilarious because that's what I said would happen) then why didn't he specify that in a conversation where volume wasn't mentioned up until that point?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Where was it proven that election fraud is phony? Just because someone mentioned kool aid, Republicans, and (LOL!) educated voters doesn't mean election fraud doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Florida and Colorado. Both states had a republican sec state who made a big stink over election fraud prior to the Nov. '12 election and both were proven wrong. They also both targeted citizens with hispanic last names who were likely democrats. It's fucking shameful and every patriotic American should be pissed about this kind of abuse, even if it comes from the party with which you identify the most strongly.Quote:
Where was it proven that election fraud is phony? Just because someone mentioned kool aid, Republicans, and (LOL!) educated voters doesn't mean election fraud doesn't happen.
It's sad that you sink to such a juvenile level. Really sad. I hope that you are just trolling on here for attention but am concerned that you actually think you're engaging in intelligent debate.Quote:
Sure sounds like cwolff is saying dead people don't vote. Methais never specified any numbers, he just said it happens. If cwolff meant it didn't happen much (which is hilarious because that's what I said would happen) then why didn't he specify that in a conversation where volume wasn't mentioned up until that point?