2018 midterm elections

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Originally Posted by cwolff

There is substance to what you say. Maybe he'll just do his 1 or 2 terms and walk away. I won't bet on that and I won't bet on the checks and balances or institutions to do their jobs.

Many of our political discussions involve some slippery slope theory and this is exactly what's going on now. Look at how far he's come since 2015: Weirdo outsider kook not to be taken seriously to an actual contender to the primary winner to the Presidency but protected from his worst impulses by "adults" to today where he's vanquished the adults and running things his way: which is to say on a whim.

There is nothing to suggest that he will voluntarily restrain himself in his reach for power

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Stop being a moron. You're acting like someone from the right who thought Obama was the anti-Christ.

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Originally Posted by Fortybox

You just want to throw a big temper tantrum because you didn't get your way.

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I'm pleased with the election outcome and I'm still glad there is a special counsel looking into what happened.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

He doesn't have to voluntarily restrain himself. We have 2 other branches of Government that restrain him. When his time is up, it is up.

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You're basically arguing that it's totally okay for the Executive Branch to be corrupt because we have two other branches of government that might not be.

But that's not okay. Yes there's a checks and balance system- though the Legislature is failing on that front- but that doesn't mean we should be running around with a corrupt branch of government.

The repeated attacks on the DoJ and the repeated attempts to fire the Special Prosecutor are perversions of justice. Calling for the jailing of private citizens and ordering the DoJ to go after political opponents are also perversions of the role of the Executive.

Making it acceptable for Presidents to determine whether or not they should be investigated is deeply problematic. Cheering a President on as they dangle Pardons in order to keep his friends and colleagues immune from legal consequences for their actions is deeply problematic.

Even if you think Trump is completely innocent of all wrongdoing, there has to be some part of you that recognizes how dangerous it is for our country to set these kinds of precedents.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

He doesn't have to voluntarily restrain himself. We have 2 other branches of Government that restrain him. When his time is up, it is up.

But yeah, these 240 year old institutions are just going to crumble because of Donald Trump. They weathered DC being burned down, a Civil War, a great depression, two world wars... But Donald Trump is what will end it.

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Wait.. you think Congress actually restrains him? :lol2:

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

I'm pleased with the election outcome and I'm still glad there is a special counsel looking into what happened.

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It's Game of Thrones. May the most cunning team win.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

You're basically arguing that it's totally okay for the Executive Branch to be corrupt because we have two other branches of government that might not be.

But that's not okay. Yes there's a checks and balance system- though the Legislature is failing on that front- but that doesn't mean we should be running around with a corrupt branch of government.

The repeated attacks on the DoJ and the repeated attempts to fire the Special Prosecutor are perversions of justice. Calling for the jailing of private citizens and ordering the DoJ to go after political opponents are also perversions of the role of the Executive.

Making it acceptable for Presidents to determine whether or not they should be investigated is deeply problematic. Cheering a President on as they dangle Pardons in order to keep his friends and colleagues immune from legal consequences for their actions is deeply problematic.

Even if you think Trump is completely innocent of all wrongdoing, there has to be some part of you that recognizes how dangerous it is for our country to set these kinds of precedents.

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Are there processes in place to combat that?

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Originally Posted by time4fun

You're basically arguing that it's totally okay for the Executive Branch to be corrupt because we have two other branches of government that might not be.

But that's not okay. Yes there's a checks and balance system- though the Legislature is failing on that front- but that doesn't mean we should be running around with a corrupt branch of government.

The repeated attacks on the DoJ and the repeated attempts to fire the Special Prosecutor are perversions of justice. Calling for the jailing of private citizens and ordering the DoJ to go after political opponents are also perversions of the role of the Executive.

Making it acceptable for Presidents to determine whether or not they should be investigated is deeply problematic. Even if you think Trump is completely innocent of all wrongdoing, there has to be some part of you that recognizes how dangerous it is for our country to set these kinds of precedents.

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No I'm not. That wasn't even a response to you, that was a response to cwolff's constant state of fear. Corruption is something that would fall under "being restrained" by one of the other branches.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

Wait.. you think Congress actually restrains him? :lol2:

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The Judicial branch has been doing a pretty good job at blocking his shit.

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Originally Posted by drauz

Are there processes in place to combat that?

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That's the equivalent of arguing that it's okay if people rob banks because we have police who can arrest them. Only in this case, the bank robber is the Police Officer's boss's boss's boss.

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Originally Posted by drauz

So even you don't trust the government but you want a bunch more government programs?

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Da fuq? Don't be daft.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

He doesn't have to voluntarily restrain himself. We have 2 other branches of Government that restrain him. When his time is up, it is up.

But yeah, these 240 year old institutions are just going to crumble because of Donald Trump. They weathered DC being burned down, a Civil War, a great depression, two world wars... But Donald Trump is what will end it.

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It may come to that. Perhaps we have to have a big ass war every once in a while to center people on what it means to be an American. Then a generation or two passes and we have to do the whole thing again.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Da fuq? Don't be daft.



It may come to that. Perhaps we have to have a big ass war every once in a while to center people on what it means to be an American. Then a generation or two passes and we have to do the whole thing again.

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Won't be under Trump. He is making the world a more peaceful place right now. Didn't you hear? He is the front runner for the Nobel Peace Prize according to one London betting agency. 2-1 odds, put your money in now.