Trump Bans Transgenders from the Military

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Just answer the question, Ashliana. Be a man for just once in your life. If Holder decided to go after pot smokers in Colorado anyway, do you think Obama would have been within his right to fire Holder, or would that have been an obstruction of justice as well?

Just admit you were wrong. Why can't you do that?

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You refusing to read the answer I gave you isn't the same thing as my not giving one, and you not understanding that your question in no way, shape or form has anything to do with Trump's obstruction of justice only reflects on you.

Try again.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

The only reason why being transgender is still considered to be a mental disorder is that it's the onlly way to ensure insurance companies have to pay for reassignment surgery.

This has been a massive debate among the trans community and groups like the APA for years but is ultimately considered to be a necessary evil. The APA continues to advocate for it expressly because they want to ensure that the surgeries are covered, and they've been EXTREMELY clear that it's not because transgender people are in any way unstable or ill.

Also, don't be so crass as to pretend like people who are fighting against the re-instatement of the ban are somehow using trans people as "political footballs". It's illogical and just makes you a gross person to try to argue that people fighting FOR civil rights are somehow the problem- ESPECIALLY when you imply that being trans means you're mentally unstable.

Grow up. If you don't have a real argument, sit down and zip it.

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Wait, wait, wait... The Trans community is FINE with it being called a mental disorder so they can get that shit paid for by insurance? And that is okay? Stupid as fuck.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

Arguably, if you were in any capacity involved in my real life, visiting me even only once/twice a month, I'd rather get shot dead by the police too.

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You seem bitter, want to talk about it?

We could start with your burning need to be in a position of power and go from there.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

The only reason why being transgender is still considered to be a mental disorder is that it's the onlly way to ensure insurance companies have to pay for reassignment surgery.

This has been a massive debate among the trans community and groups like the APA for years but is ultimately considered to be a necessary evil. The APA continues to advocate for it expressly because they want to ensure that the surgeries are covered, and they've been EXTREMELY clear that it's not because transgender people are in any way unstable or ill.

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So...they're basically admitting they are defrauding insurance companies? Am I understanding this right?

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Originally Posted by time4fun

The only reason why being transgender is still considered to be a mental disorder is that it's the onlly way to ensure insurance companies have to pay for reassignment surgery.

This has been a massive debate among the trans community and groups like the APA for years but is ultimately considered to be a necessary evil. The APA continues to advocate for it expressly because they want to ensure that the surgeries are covered, and they've been EXTREMELY clear that it's not because transgender people are in any way unstable or ill.

Also, don't be so crass as to pretend like people who are fighting against the re-instatement of the ban are somehow using trans people as "political footballs". It's illogical and just makes you a gross person to try to argue that people fighting FOR civil rights are somehow the problem- ESPECIALLY when you imply that being trans means you're mentally unstable.

Grow up. If you don't have a real argument, sit down and zip it.

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Diagnosis:

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning.

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The American Psychiatric Association seems to disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

The only reason why being transgender is still considered to be a mental disorder is that it's the onlly way to ensure insurance companies have to pay for reassignment surgery.

This has been a massive debate among the trans community and groups like the APA for years but is ultimately considered to be a necessary evil. The APA continues to advocate for it expressly because they want to ensure that the surgeries are covered, and they've been EXTREMELY clear that it's not because transgender people are in any way unstable or ill.

Also, don't be so crass as to pretend like people who are fighting against the re-instatement of the ban are somehow using trans people as "political footballs". It's illogical and just makes you a gross person to try to argue that people fighting FOR civil rights are somehow the problem- ESPECIALLY when you imply that being trans means you're mentally unstable.

Grow up. If you don't have a real argument, sit down and zip it.

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Also if this isn't a classic example of eating your cake and having it too.

Transgenders: We demand our condition be labeled a mental disorder so we can defraud insurance companies to make them pay for our reassignment surgeries!
Military: Okay, but we can't accept you then because you have a mental disorder.
Transgenders: Well it's not REALLY a mental disorder, you transphobic bigot!

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Originally Posted by drauz

The American Psychiatric Association seems to disagree with you.

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Erm...how does that disagree with me?

Nothing in that line indicates "unstable" or "ill".

It says "your gender and body are mismatched, and it bothers you enough that we have a medical justification for fixing it".

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Originally Posted by drauz

The American Psychiatric Association seems to disagree with you.

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They don't have his/her experience. HE/SHE HAS FRIENDS WHO TRANSITIONED SO SHE IS THE AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ETA: I almost assumed time4fun's gender!

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Erm...how does that disagree with me?

Nothing in that line indicates "unstable" or "ill".

It says "your gender and body are mismatched, and it bothers you enough that we have a medical justification for fixing it".

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I really do love the way you take a complex issue and water it down to "Your gender is mismatched and we made up a term for it so you can defraud insurance companies."

The APA also has this to say about gender Dysphoria:

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People with gender dysphoria may often experience significant distress and/or problems functioning associated with this conflict between the way they feel and think of themselves (referred to as experienced or expressed gender) and their physical or assigned gender.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Erm...how does that disagree with me?

Nothing in that line indicates "unstable" or "ill".

It says "your gender and body are mismatched, and it bothers you enough that we have a medical justification for fixing it".

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The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning.

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Its not a mental disorder, they just use the manual of mental disorders to diagnose it...