Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Our democracy is barely holding up against one party's attacks against it.

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Please double/triple up on your meds, nutcase.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

+1 to the point being made here.

Let's just be CRYSTAL clear: the Executive Branch has no authority under the Constitution to ignore Judicial oversight.

Seran, this whole "the decision is optional because I don't agree with it" thing is dangerous talk. That's failed democracy talk.

Our democracy is barely holding up against one party's attacks against it. It will not survive two parties attacking it.

If the Executive disagrees with a Judicial decision, their ONLY remedies are to appeal the decision or to work with Congress to change the law.

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For once you’re making some sense, but how do you figure Republicans are “attacking our democracy”? AOC is literally telling Biden to just ignore the courts. Talk about attacking our democracy.

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Originally Posted by Seran

You've hit the nail on the head, just why is it before a judge who has no jurisdiction over the matter? I'll tell you, it shouldn't be.

The federal judicial system has absolutely no involvement in approving or denying a medication making it through the FDAs rigorous vetting process. It's all the FDA. This judge is trying to seek through an injunction to supercede the FDAs sole authority in the matter by imposing Jude-Christian beliefs RETROACTIVELY in a decision that was already made. Approval was made, Bible Thumper Inc applied for an FDA appeal of it's approval, that was reviewed and denied. Petitioner Bible Thumper Inc is asking a sympathetic judicial officer to override the competent authority on the basis that Bible Thumper Inc on the sole basis that they didn't like the FDAs two separate decisions.

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You are wrong. You've been wrong since you started this.. it's been pointed out why you are wrong. Yet, this is the retard hill you want to die on.

OK. Please die on it.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

For once you’re making some sense, but how do you figure Republicans are “attacking our democracy”? AOC is literally telling Biden to just ignore the courts. Talk about attacking our democracy.

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We don't have to look very far to find examples of Democrats "attacking our democracy"... just look at anything Trump related.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

You are wrong because the FDA previously withdrew it's approval of other completely unrelated medications and on that basis alone, an injunction should be placed on all safe abortion medications because Christians disagree with abortion.

OK. Please die on it.

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Held you clarify your argument there.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Not what I'm saying at all actually, the opposite in fact. Where the Executive and Legislative branches are working within the legally defined parameters of the law, the judicial branch has no authority to affect a misinterpretation of the law.

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Fuck the founding fathers, the Constitution, and checks and balances right? I guess I missed where they said the Judicual branch has no power over any executive government agencies and those can just do whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Fuck the founding fathers, the Constitution, and checks and balances right? I guess I missed where they said the Judicual branch has no power over any executive government agencies and those can just do whatever they want.

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Why yes, the executive branch is balanced by the legislation it's presented, that passes or as defined by the Constitution. Likewise the Legislative branch has chosen not to legislate abortion drugs or to repeal the FDAs sole authority. But if you'd like to point out to me where the Constitution states the Executive Branch shall not exercise the powers conferred upon it without first checking with every district Court Judge, I'm welcome to the citation.

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The Biden administration argued that the November legal challenge to the FDA's 2000 approval of mifepristone is "manifestly untimely" and said the group of anti-abortion rights physicians and medical associations that targeted access to the drug lack the legal standing to challenge the FDA's approval of mifepristone, which they neither take nor prescribe.

"The court's sweeping nationwide relief was especially unwarranted given the balance of harms: If allowed to take effect, the court's order would thwart FDA's scientific judgment and severely harm women, particularly those for whom mifepristone is a medical or practical necessity," the Justice Department said. "This harm would be felt throughout the country, given that mifepristone has lawful uses in every state. The order would undermine healthcare systems and the reliance interests of businesses and medical providers."

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Go figure, the Justice Department has the exact same argument I did. Sucks to suck.

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Originally Posted by Seran

See above. This isn't an instance where the federal executive authority failed in it's duties or superceded it's mandate granted by the legislative branch, this is a judicial officer issuing an injunction because the citizen's group disagrees with abortion.

You think that a district Court Judge having more authority than the Executive Branch performing duties at outlined by the Legislative Branch because of a belief their ideology supercedes law isn't a failure of our democracy? I'd be surprised if you did.

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I think the Judge has more authority over the Executive Branch in this instance because of the Constitution. The only branch of government that can invalidate a Court decision is the Judiciary itself.

What I will say here is that it feels like you're doing exactly what these Trump supporters have been doing for years: you're focusing on this one situation without asking yourself what happens if we normalize this. Even talking about it is normalizing it. The Judiciary only has power because we believe it does. It has no enforcement mechanism for its decisions.

When people start questioning the Judiciary's Constitutional powers, our system breaks down. You're advocating for a Constitutional crisis here and opening the door for the Executive Branch to follow only decisions it agrees with.

The Judiciary has an appeals system for a reason. There is no need to destroy the foundations of our Separation of Powers over this case.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Go figure, the Justice Department has the exact same argument I did. Sucks to suck.

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The bureaucrats and executive branch wants unlimited power in government with no oversight. Seran totally supports this. Imagine that.