Tyranny of the ATF

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

What if I want to give my firearms to a family member, does that also require more paperwork?

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If it’s not a registered NFA item, no. At least not yet.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

What if I want to give my firearms to a family member, does that also require more paperwork?

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Come on Solkern. You’re smart and reasonable. We may not agree on everything but you understand that making it so that exercising a right more difficult & cumbersome is infringement. You answered it yourself when you acknowledged it’s more of a pain in the ass.

If some bureaucrats came up with a new rule that voting in a federal election requires physical voter registration to get a card, no mail in ballots, a literacy test, the requirement of some BS government mandated voter safety class, paying a tax, a waiting period, etc. in an effort to (possibly) prevent voter fraud…you would object. Why are you ok with those infringements on one constitutional right but not others?

I hate unspeakable acts of violence and mass shootings just as much as you do. We’re both parents. I’m all for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals & the mentally ill, but I WILL NOT sacrifice our God-given constitutionally protected rights. They need to find a way to accomplish keeping guns out of the hands of the bad guys (and actually prosecuting criminals when they do violate the law) instead of the answer always being to chip away at more of the good guys’ freedom.

A private individual selling some of his guns to another private individual (with no knowledge or reason to believe the buyer is a felon or mentally ill) doesn’t have the resources to do a NAICS check. They shouldn’t have to register as a FFL just to sell some of their personal property. Forcing them to do so is clearly an infringement and overstep. What is worse is that this is the ATF creating a new rule, not Congress.

To answer your question, you know what they can do? Chicago has double digit gun homicides by gang bangers every week. Instead of fucking with law abiding Americans, why don’t they do some real law enforcement work and bust those thugs engaged in criminal activity? Go confiscate their guns. You have my full support in that.

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You argue you understand keeping guns out of the hands of evil or mentally unstable people, but you also argue against the most basic controls that would only marginally make the dealings of legit sellers more complicated. That is incredibly disingenuous. Anything that reduces the number of gray or black market firearms should be celebrated, not castigated as some tyranny aimed to make you fill out some extra pieces of paper.

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Originally Posted by Seran

You argue you understand keeping guns out of the hands of evil or mentally unstable people, but you also argue against the most basic controls that would only marginally make the dealings of legit sellers more complicated. That is incredibly disingenuous. Anything that reduces the number of gray or black market firearms should be celebrated, not castigated as some tyranny aimed to make you fill out some extra pieces of paper.

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I wipe my ass with your extra pieces of paper. The disarmament of Canada, Australia, and other countries in recent memory is not to be celebrated. Civil war will happen before I and others allow that to happen in this country.

But what did SHM’s question have to do with your ridicule?

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I wipe my ass with your extra pieces of paper. The disarmament of Canada, Australia, and other countries in recent memory is not to be celebrated. Civil war will happen before I and others allow that to happen in this country.

But what did SHM’s question have to do with your ridicule?

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Amazing how countries without permissive gun laws don't have issues with gun violence and murder. It's almost as if making guns easy to obtain has caused the tragic amount of firearm crime in our country.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Amazing how countries without permissive gun laws don't have issues with gun violence and murder. It's almost as if making guns easy to obtain has caused the tragic amount of firearm crime in our country.

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GTFO and go move to one of those countries. You don’t belong here.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Amazing how countries without permissive gun laws don't have issues with gun violence and murder. It's almost as if making guns easy to obtain has caused the tragic amount of firearm crime in our country.

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Amazing how most cities run by Democrats have the most gun violence and murder rates WITH the most restrictive gun laws.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Amazing how most cities run by Democrats have the most gun violence and murder rates WITH the most restrictive gun laws.

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I know you're dumb, but the ease of getting firearms in adjacent non permitting or wait list states makes the influx of firearms into population centers pretty obvious, but that doesn't occur to you. Countries with consistent gun controls, import controls, and massive gun penalties don't have gun problems. That is where the United States could have been.

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Originally Posted by Seran

I know you're dumb, but the ease of getting firearms in adjacent non permitting or wait list states makes the influx of firearms into population centers pretty obvious, but that doesn't occur to you. Countries with consistent gun controls, import controls, and massive gun penalties don't have gun problems. That is where the United States could have been.

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I know you're dumb... since you were the one who literally said that "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment was about government regulation of guns.

RHoF material.

Fun fact I heard the other day: We are 3rd highest out of like 190 countries for gun murder... but if you take out the top 4 cities with the highest rates.. which coincidently have been run by Democrats for years... we would be like 188th.

Democrat policies have failed this country and they have always been on the wrong side of history. Slavery, suffrage, civil rights, etc... they have always been on the wrong side.

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Originally Posted by Seran

I know you're dumb, but the ease of getting firearms in adjacent non permitting or wait list states makes the influx of firearms into population centers pretty obvious, but that doesn't occur to you. Countries with consistent gun controls, import controls, and massive gun penalties don't have gun problems. That is where the United States could have been.

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Ukraine is having a serious surging gun violence epidemic right now. It’s just got to be from those people having too much access to firearms. We should disarm them.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I know you're dumb... since you were the one who literally said that "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment was about government regulation of guns.

RHoF material.

Fun fact I heard the other day: We are 3rd highest out of like 190 countries for gun murder... but if you take out the top 4 cities with the highest rates.. which coincidently have been run by Democrats for years... we would be like 188th.

Democrat policies have failed this country and they have always been on the wrong side of history. Slavery, suffrage, civil rights, etc... they have always been on the wrong side.

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He thinks the 2nd Amendment exists to give power to the federal government to regulate firearms. :rofl:

That is epic level retardation.