More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It's not actually that we want them or not.. it's what are we going to do with them. The right thing to do would be to kick them all out and have them apply to enter the country legally.. to follow our rules and laws. Logistically though, that will never happen.

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See, that is something I'm not sure on. They do things that our fine young Americans refuse to do for the price. While you and I put our life on the line for a measly 400grand (And more, honestly, but that is what we were worth as far as payments to our loved ones.) these guys are hard workers for far less than minimum wage. They don't ask for workman's comp or any if that. We wouldn't have any illegals if we stopped hiring them, but we do. We give them jobs. This is something that goes across party lines, because both parties are guilty of it.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

See, that is something I'm not sure on. They do things that our fine young Americans refuse to do for the price. While you and I put our life on the line for a measly 400grand (And more, honestly, but that is what we were worth as far as payments to our loved ones.) these guys are hard workers for far less than minimum wage. They don't ask for workman's comp or any if that. We wouldn't have any illegals if we stopped hiring them, but we do. We give them jobs. This is something that goes across party lines, because both parties are guilty of it.

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They are automatically entitled to worker's compensation regardless of status. And if they die, their families are entitled to the statutory death benefits even if the family resides in another country. And if the family can't be located, then the death benefit is paid into the state-run uninsured workers fund.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

See, that is something I'm not sure on. They do things that our fine young Americans refuse to do for the price. While you and I put our life on the line for a measly 400grand (And more, honestly, but that is what we were worth as far as payments to our loved ones.) these guys are hard workers for far less than minimum wage. They don't ask for workman's comp or any if that. We wouldn't have any illegals if we stopped hiring them, but we do. We give them jobs. This is something that goes across party lines, because both parties are guilty of it.

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I've never served and have never put my life on the line like you have.

And I'm not talking about what they do after they get here.. I'm talking about them essentially cutting the line and taking an illegal approach to getting into this country verses following our laws to gain citizenship.

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Originally Posted by msconstrew

They are automatically entitled to worker's compensation regardless of status. And if they die, their families are entitled to the statutory death benefits even if the family resides in another country. And if the family can't be located, then the death benefit is paid into the state-run uninsured workers fund.

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You and I both know that many of the illegal aliens do not get this type of treatment. They are paid below minimum wages and if they are hurt, they are sent packing for fear of getting exposed as an illegal alien.

They are treated like farm animals.. easily disposable.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

You and I both know that many of the illegal aliens do not get this type of treatment. They are paid below minimum wages and if they are hurt, they are sent packing for fear of getting exposed as an illegal alien.

They are treated like farm animals.. easily disposable.

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I agree with you 100%, and I think it is sad and unfortunate. I'm just correcting Gelston's statement about WC. We've paid quite a lot of undocumented workers over the years and continue to do so. One thing I will say is that they are much less likely to malinger than citizens and are usually eager to get back to their dangerous, usually-crappy jobs.

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Originally Posted by msconstrew

I agree with you 100%, and I think it is sad and unfortunate. I'm just correcting Gelston's statement about WC. We've paid quite a lot of undocumented workers over the years and continue to do so. One thing I will say is that they are much less likely to malinger than citizens and are usually eager to get back to their dangerous, usually-crappy jobs.

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It really isn't correcting my statement if you agree with him. Yes, they can refuse to acknowledge those workers as being their workers and brush it under the carpet. That is what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

It really isn't correcting my statement if you agree with him. Yes, they can refuse to acknowledge those workers as being their workers and brush it under the carpet. That is what I meant.

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What you said was that they don't ask for it. They might not, but they are entitled to it. And at least here they are not reported as illegal because the state cares more about them getting compensated than their legality. Plenty of them DO get compensation, especially if they work on farms (here obviously, I'm not commenting on other states where I don't practice).

And I agree with you, too, because they do do jobs that Americans don't want to do and are poorly-compensated for that work, which is often dangerous.

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Originally Posted by msconstrew

What you said was that they don't ask for it. They might not, but they are entitled to it. And at least here they are not reported as illegal because the state cares more about them getting compensated than their legality. Plenty of them DO get compensation, especially if they work on farms (here obviously, I'm not commenting on other states where I don't practice).

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How many know they are entitled though? How many people know that they can refuse police searches of their vehicles? I'm just saying, most illegals will be more afraid to ask for it then a legal.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

How many know they are entitled though? How many people know that they can refuse police searches of their vehicles? I'm just saying, most illegals will be more afraid to ask for it then a legal.

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I can't comment on what they do or don't know. I do know that there are posters all around larger employers' break areas in both English and Spanish informing them that they are entitled to WC regardless of citizenship because we mandate that they inform the workers. I'm assuming it's a statutory requirement since insurers usually don't like paying money if they don't have to.

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Originally Posted by msconstrew

I can't comment on what they do or don't know. I do know that there are posters all around larger employers' break areas in both English and Spanish informing them that they are entitled to WC regardless of citizenship.

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I've never seen them in Texas or Louisiana. Perhaps they say citizenship, but not legality of being in the US.