Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

What others? Can you link me to someone that has some ideas on how to reverse it? Also, I believe we're well past the "humans can have an affect on climate" part of the conversation, and now we're at the "what exactly is that affect and what exactly should be done about it, if anything" part.

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Two words:

CARBON TAX

If we just institute this here, we can make everything better. It's been a tremendous success where it's been implemented because their climates were saved.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

What others? Can you link me to someone that has some ideas on how to reverse it? Also, I believe we're well past the "humans can have an affect on climate" part of the conversation, and now we're at the "what exactly is that affect and what exactly should be done about it, if anything" part.

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Here's an older example from a conservative:

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/b...the_world.html

Somewhat newer:

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/20/238548...cooler-climate

There's a fair bit of stuff out there.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ogies/4041931/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Here's an older example from a conservative:

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/b...the_world.html

Somewhat newer:

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/20/238548...cooler-climate

There's a fair bit of stuff out there.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ogies/4041931/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering

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Here's another one: Combat climate change by pumping liquid sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere through nozzles in a hose lifted more than 15 miles into the atmosphere using helium-filled balloons. As described by Myhrvold in an interview this week, the idea behind this "Stratoshield" would be to dim the sun in critical areas of the world by just enough to reduce or reverse the effects of global warming.

Didn't they do that on The Matrix in their war against the machines?

I'm sure THIS time it's going to turn out just right though..

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Here's another one: Combat climate change by pumping liquid sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere through nozzles in a hose lifted more than 15 miles into the atmosphere using helium-filled balloons. As described by Myhrvold in an interview this week, the idea behind this "Stratoshield" would be to dim the sun in critical areas of the world by just enough to reduce or reverse the effects of global warming.

Didn't they do that on The Matrix in their war against the machines?

I'm sure THIS time it's going to turn out just right though..

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Given that I already linked that (and pointed out who it came from) I suspect that maybe, just maybe, you didn't look at the links.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Given that I already linked that (and pointed out who it came from) I suspect that maybe, just maybe, you didn't look at the links.

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You realize that I had to have looked at it.. if I quoted the link... right?

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

You realize that I had to have looked at it.. if I quoted the link... right?

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Fair enough. Either way I prefer these folks to the WE ARE ALREADY DOOMED people.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Fair enough. Either way I prefer these folks to the WE ARE ALREADY DOOMED people.

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Of course. If we are already doomed, it is far more difficult to interweave that into a political agenda and have people literally buy into it.

The only way this movement will work is that the crisis is underway and it's very, very dire.. but thankfully, all we have to do is {insert agenda here} immediately and then we can SLOWLY take back our planet.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

The primary proposals are solar radiation management and the reduction of fossil fuels.

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Yes but what are the specifics? Do we just keep reducing fossil fuels and greenhouse emissions until the scientists say "Okay, that's enough"?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Also for once I would love to read a report from a climatologist telling us exactly what we have to do in order to save the world. We're on page 128 of this thread now, has such a report ever been linked to? Instead it's always the same thing "Man bad. Man destroy planet. Man must be stopped." That's it. Where are the specifics? Do we have to reduce carbon emissions by one fourth? By one half? By three fourths? By when? Do we have until the year 2100? 2050? 2020?

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I for once would like a citation from people of your ilk to back up any of your received wisdom. Take, for instance:

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Just remember.... 40 years ago, scientists thought we were causing the Earth to get colder.

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Would it interest you to learn that that isn't true?

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

Actually, the report at the beginning of this thread, which everyone is using as the be-all, end-all, states very clearly that the damage is already done, and there's nothing we can do to reverse it.

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It states very clearly that the current damage is irreversible on the scale of a human lifetime, then goes on to say "The amount and rate of further warming will depend almost entirely on how much more CO2 humankind emits."

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Yes but what are the specifics? Do we just keep reducing fossil fuels and greenhouse emissions until the scientists say "Okay, that's enough"?

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The specifics depend on how much of our current environment you want to preserve.