More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Back

What bullshit? Majority rules.

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By bullshit I mean idiots in charge who could care less about the people and we just accept it that our government is horribly managed.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Majority is a major factor, but there were a lot of safeguards put in place to try and prevent the majority from stomping all over the minority.

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I think it's fair to say the Founders intended for minority rule with very little regard for the majority; hence the Electoral College (remember that it wasn't until 1816 that a majority of states chose electors by popular vote), hence Senators being elected by legislatures rather than popular vote, hence Supreme Court justices being appointed by the President with some regard for Congress but no regard for the popular vote.

Whether they were right or wrong to functionally disenfranchise the electorate on the federal level is another question, but in any event that time has long since passed. Trying to shoehorn their thoughts on majorities into today's environment makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Back

What bullshit? Majority rules. Thats how our country was founded.

Now if Obama declared himself King and started taxing everyone 90%, yeah, then I would expect all out rebellion. But the ACA is such a good law for our country. Its hardly anything to freak out about.

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Without repeating any MSM bullshit talking points, can you even explain to anyone why this is such a good law in your eyes?

So far almost everyone is paying more money for less coverage, higher deductibles, and coverage they'll never need, like maternity care for men, etc.

You'll probably come back with something completely random and unrelated that you believe to be clever and witty, but there's always a little hope I suppose.

Back never has a valid answer.

His DNC master's told him it is good, so that's what he thinks.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Remember when the topic in this thread was about Obamacare and you responded with a weak deflection that had nothing to do with Obamacare, instead of responding to the actual point I was making?

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The point was that this magical period that people cite A. didn't last long and B. wasn't the socialist Armageddon you and the mouth breathers like to herp and derp about. The crazy thing? It might've worked but Obama was actually, idiotically, a centrist and sought compromise. He thought Republicans would actually work with him to help America. Hilarious stuff, right? They wouldn't even on legislation he stole from Republicans.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

I think it's fair to say the Founders intended for minority rule with very little regard for the majority; hence the Electoral College (remember that it wasn't until 1816 that a majority of states chose electors by popular vote), hence Senators being elected by legislatures rather than popular vote, hence Supreme Court justices being appointed by the President with some regard for Congress but no regard for the popular vote.

Whether they were right or wrong to functionally disenfranchise the electorate on the federal level is another question, but in any event that time has long since passed. Trying to shoehorn their thoughts on majorities into today's environment makes no sense.

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So you approve of oppressing minorities.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

So you approve of oppressing minorities.

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Given your love for "state's rights" don't you?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Ever used a telephone in America?

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All the time. What does this have to do with anything?

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In addition, markets with poor information in highly technical areas often don't experience reduced costs due to competition at all. We have one of the most famous conservative economic thinkers in the country suggesting that the VA is superior to private industry at providing healthcare and costs much less.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/20...es-posner.html

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Er...this link is comparing costs in the US to other countries, but it mistakenly refers to US healthcare as a free-market. That is most certainly not the case.

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And we have his RAND citation for you.

http://www.rand.org/blog/2012/08/soc...om-the-va.html

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This link just compares numbers, but doesn't give an explanation or even a hypothesis as to why they're different.

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Because the consumer is always wrong in your mind.

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What? There is no right or wrong. There just is.

I'm proud of the PC. Totally go debate that with Richard Posner now, Thondalar. I bet your academic skills wow him.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

The point was that this magical period that people cite A. didn't last long and B. wasn't the socialist Armageddon you and the mouth breathers like to herp and derp about. The crazy thing? It might've worked but Obama was actually, idiotically, a centrist and sought compromise. He thought Republicans would actually work with him to help America. Hilarious stuff, right? They wouldn't even on legislation he stole from Republicans.

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I like how you're ignoring the fact that the ACA is one of the most poorly written, unnecessarily complicated pieces of garbage that Congress has ever spit forth. If it was as simple as you say, and was in fact just legislation stolen from Republicans, it would have passed with flying colors. Nobody is opposing it because it's being put forth by Obama, they're opposing it because it's almost a thousand pages of idiotic regulations and red tape. They're opposing it because it's terribly executed and is falling flat on it's face, as expected.