More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

Let's let you in on a scary concept. Further competition doesn't necessarily lead to reduced cost. In addition, it is the very actors of the medical industry themselves who have driven costs up to seek profit.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_gawande

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I like how you just throw something out with absolutely nothing offered to back it up, and then change the subject. Although I do agree that doctors and hospitals across the nation are charging for unneeded services, and that does indeed contribute to our high cost of healthcare...a doctor ordering a surgery that costs 20 grand over here and 5 grand somewhere else has absolutely nothing to do with that. One issue is the cost of the services, the other issue is the over-use of them. I only touched on the former.

Back to your unfounded initial statement though...tell me one scenario, ever, where competition has resulted in a more expensive and inferior final product. Just one.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

I like how you just throw something out with absolutely nothing offered to back it up, and then change the subject. Although I do agree that doctors and hospitals across the nation are charging for unneeded services, and that does indeed contribute to our high cost of healthcare...a doctor ordering a surgery that costs 20 grand over here and 5 grand somewhere else has absolutely nothing to do with that. One issue is the cost of the services, the other issue is the over-use of them. I only touched on the former.

Back to your unfounded initial statement though...tell me one scenario, ever, where competition has resulted in a more expensive and inferior final product. Just one.

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Charging for unneeded services? That's horrible!! That's like making a 61 year old woman pay for insurance that covers prenatal care... oh wait. Obamacare does that.

On a side, note.. it's like making people that live in Nevada, pay for Mississippi flood insurance.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

I like how you just throw something out with absolutely nothing offered to back it up, and then change the subject. Although I do agree that doctors and hospitals across the nation are charging for unneeded services, and that does indeed contribute to our high cost of healthcare...a doctor ordering a surgery that costs 20 grand over here and 5 grand somewhere else has absolutely nothing to do with that. One issue is the cost of the services, the other issue is the over-use of them. I only touched on the former.

Back to your unfounded initial statement though...tell me one scenario, ever, where competition has resulted in a more expensive and inferior final product. Just one.

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Ever used a telephone in America?

In addition, markets with poor information in highly technical areas often don't experience reduced costs due to competition at all. We have one of the most famous conservative economic thinkers in the country suggesting that the VA is superior to private industry at providing healthcare and costs much less.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/20...es-posner.html

And we have his RAND citation for you.

http://www.rand.org/blog/2012/08/soc...om-the-va.html

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

I only touched on the former.

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Because the consumer is always wrong in your mind.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I think most Democrats would rather have had that. Obama went with what to me, still, is a Republican concept, because, truth is, one half of Congress doesn't actually want to do anything for citizens to the point that a Republican plan is now considered "Radical Socialism!" He naively thought they'd work with him. They didn't so he worked with insurance industry until they liked it.

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Remember when Obama had a super majority and could have passed anything he wanted to at the time Obamacare was passed regardless of what any republicans had to say about it?

Me too.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Remember when Obama had a super majority and could have passed anything he wanted to at the time Obamacare was passed regardless of what any republicans had to say about it?

Me too.

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Whose fault was that? Oh yeah, the people.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Remember when Obama had a super majority and could have passed anything he wanted to at the time Obamacare was passed regardless of what any republicans had to say about it?

Me too.

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It didn't last very long because they ran an idiot. Remember when Republicans could pass anything they wanted about illegal immigrants and national id cards and never did?

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

It didn't last very long because they ran an idiot. Remember when Republicans could pass anything they wanted about illegal immigrants and national id cards and never did?

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Do you remember the last time you posted anything relevant?


Neither do I . . .

Last gasp at trying to save midterms for a party in deep deep trouble after opening Pandora's box or smart move to confuse the sheeple? You decide: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...lections-.html

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Do you remember the last time you posted anything relevant?


Neither do I . . .

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If you're looking for a conservative circle jerk there's always Red State.

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Originally Posted by Back

Whose fault was that? Oh yeah, the people.

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Explain.