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05-09-2022, 04:26 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by drauz

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...cy-deaths.html

Yes, they are affected the most.

So your solution to this dichotomy is that, abortions for more POCs is the correct path? To save POCs lives?

Or maybe.. just maybe.. if you read further down... the solution is to improve overall health care in those communities?

“These disparities are devastating for families and communities and we must work to eliminate them,” said Emily Petersen, M.D., medical officer at CDC’s Division of Reproductive Health and lead author of the report. “There is an urgent need to identify and evaluate the complex factors contributing to these disparities and to design interventions that will reduce preventable pregnancy-related deaths.”
05-09-2022, 04:43 PM
drauz

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Originally Posted by Shaps

So your solution to this dichotomy is that, abortions for more POCs is the correct path? To save POCs lives?

Or maybe.. just maybe.. if you read further down... the solution is to improve overall health care in those communities?

“These disparities are devastating for families and communities and we must work to eliminate them,” said Emily Petersen, M.D., medical officer at CDC’s Division of Reproductive Health and lead author of the report. “There is an urgent need to identify and evaluate the complex factors contributing to these disparities and to design interventions that will reduce preventable pregnancy-related deaths.”

Of course that should be done, but it's not a magic wand that can be waved and poof it's done. You are talking about years to even possibly get started on that. I also don't think abortions to be morally wrong. It should be a woman's choice what happens to her body, not the government.
05-09-2022, 04:45 PM
Tgo01

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Originally Posted by drauz

It should be a woman's choice what happens to her body, not the government.

Who gets to decide what happens to the fetus' body?
05-09-2022, 04:52 PM
drauz

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Who gets to decide what happens to the fetus' body?

No one, they aren't a person. They aren't granted life or liberty, like the woman is supposed to have, according to current law.

Though I'm not personally convinced past like 16-20 weeks.

Let me ask you this, why do you think killing a fetus is morally wrong? When do you believe all that stuff becomes a person? Conception?

If we differ wildly on that point then there is no real point to a discussion.
05-09-2022, 04:53 PM
Neveragain

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Who gets to decide what happens to the fetus' body?

This is where science will be thrown out the window.
05-09-2022, 04:57 PM
Neveragain

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Originally Posted by drauz

No one, they aren't a person. They aren't granted life or liberty, like the woman is supposed to have, according to current law.

Remember when the pro-slavers said black people weren't people either, because of the laws?
05-09-2022, 04:58 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Who gets to decide what happens to the fetus' body?

What happens with cancers, necrotic tissues, pulled teeth? If it has value, it's studied, if it's worthless it is discarded. Just because a melon seed begins to sprout from my compost heap means I'm obligated to transplant and grow it. It has no objective value to me and I'd do what I want with my perceived garbage. Because you ascribe a moral value to a non-viable fetus or embryo doesn give you or your conservative friends the right to force it to term.
05-09-2022, 05:00 PM
Suppa Hobbit Mage

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Originally Posted by drauz

Let me ask you this, why do you think killing a fetus is morally wrong? When do you believe all that stuff becomes a person? Conception?

If we differ wildly on that point then there is no real point to a discussion.

Why do you say that? People of wildly differing opinions should discuss all the time IMO. If you assume because someone has a very different opinion than you that it's not worth talking about, what happens if your opinion (or their opinion) is completely wrong? One of you just goes on being ignorant?

I have internal debates with myself on stupid things like "man I love me some steak, but I'd only kill a cow if it was the apocalypse" because as I've grown older I feel sympathy for anything with eyes.
05-09-2022, 05:01 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Remember when the pro-slavers said black people weren't people either, because of the laws?

Hey, remember with the Catholic Church used to burn people alive, crucify them or permanently mutilate them for teaching basic sciences even first graders know now? Does that mean we should be banning catholics from public office using your hyperbolic logic?
05-09-2022, 05:02 PM
Suppa Hobbit Mage

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Originally Posted by Seran

What happens with cancers, necrotic tissues, pulled teeth? If it has value, it's studied, if it's worthless it is discarded. Just because a melon seed begins to sprout from my compost heap means I'm obligated to transplant and grow it. It has no objective value to me and I'd do what I want with my perceived garbage. Because you ascribe a moral value to a non-viable fetus or embryo doesn give you or your conservative friends the right to force it to term.

If I kill a pregnant woman is it one murder or two? Should the sentencing be different? If I stab a pregnant woman in the belly and kill her child, is it murder or just assault?