Climate Change Report

See, it's happening so slowly you don't even notice. That's how the PC Liberals gets you. They like the VC.

Changing is like the antithesis of being a Republican. What you got against the old ways?

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Originally Posted by waywardgs

Aww, you guys are so coy. It's sweet. Don't worry though, the future is that much brighter!

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Don't worry, there will always be a place for you next to the guy holding the sign saying...

"The End is Nigh!"

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

You know, I am actually going to laugh when Cwolff starts bitching about paying 10x his normal energy bill because the rates have sky rocketed.

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Is it just me or does this make no sense?

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Don't worry, there will always be a place for you next to the guy holding the sign saying...

"The End is Nigh!"

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I see this more as a beginning. But that's me, I'm an optimist. I'm just happy right now.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Yeah... I know you were gone for awhile.. but you would think you had at least had some reading comprehension during then.

It was a direct response to the fact that the Military does have a lot of say in what it designs and makes. They get "approval" to design something.. which always runs well over the estimates.. then when done they get approval to build it.

The Bradley is the perfect example of how fucked up the Pentagon is. Now.. how it performed in the field? Don't know about that, but I mean.. seriously.. it was a troop carrier that couldn't carry troops, a recon vehicle that was to easy to spot to do recon, a tank with less armor then my gram's 57 catty, a gun that likely couldn't do shit to a tank, and anti tank Missiles... and it is also supposed to be able to cross rivers on it's own.

Just like the Air force and the new plane... they want everything to be able to do everything, and you can't do that.

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Well, I'd say my reading comprehension is just fine. And I also don't take things at face value alone. I do my own research. Yes, you are right, the initial procurement of the Bradley was a fucking disaster. There ARE officers in the military that are just looking for kickbacks and future higher paying jobs with defense contractors. Of course there is corruption in the military. I still think that overall they are a more trustworthy institution than the federal government. Now, back to the Bradley.. it does have a slight problem with its armor. That's why it was replaced in the field by the stryker and MRAP. It's still a great vehicle. Incredibly lethal, despite what you think. In the first Gulf war it had more tank kills than any other weapons platform, including the M1 Abraham main battle tank.

As far as the F-35 goes I don't really have a comment on that. It's costing a ridiculous amount of money so far and I have no clue if it will ever be worth it. Time will tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

Back sometime in the mid-90's I met a dude in gemstone that claimed to be a member of SEAL team 6. He seemed quite knowledgeable so who knows. Anyways I mentioned to him how I'd love to join the army and be a driver for the Bradley. He then tells me he was involved in survivability testing at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They put a live cow inside the Bradley, sealed it up, and then shot at it with a sabot round. The round penetrated through one side and exited the other. On the way through it liquidated the cow completely and its remains were sucked out of the exit way along with the sabot slug.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

Back sometime in the mid-90's I met a dude in gemstone that claimed to be a member of SEAL team 6. He seemed quite knowledgeable so who knows. Anyways I mentioned to him how I'd love to join the army and be a driver for the Bradley. He then tells me he was involved in survivability testing at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They put a live cow inside the Bradley, sealed it up, and then shot at it with a sabot round. The round penetrated through one side and exited the other. On the way through it liquidated the cow completely and its remains were sucked out of the exit way along with the sabot slug.

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I've heard that story in different forms over the years. I think that what he's describing is the way the rounds supposed to work. Isn't that was depleted uranium was for? The projectile pierces the armor then the overpressure destroys the vehicle and all the occupants.

In any case they have rounds like that to destroy tanks so a bradley would be relatively easy to kill.

It's funny about SEAL Team 6. For such a small and relatively new unit they sure have a hell of a lot of veterans. LOL

They were first formed in 1980. Technically speaking they're DEVGRU now, not SEAL team 6.

And yes, is the overpressure. Depleted uranium is used for armor piercing, due to its extreme density. Same reason why they use tungsten.