Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by time4fun

You know better than that. A former US President who still wields significant political sway over chunks of the electorate going out of his way to compliment the dictator who is risking WW3 right now is far more significant than that.


As for the other people in this thread (not you Gelston) who seem so sure Trump would have done a better job- what he said about Putin the other day is the evidence that says you're deluding yourself. All Trump ever did was apologize for Putin. Even after he and his campaign were informed by representatives of Russian Intelligence that Putin was actively working to support his candidacy, he still got up in front of the entire country and tried to blame China for what Russia had obviously been doing. He complimented him constantly, and he tried everything he could to stop sanctions against Putin for his election meddling. Hell his campaign manager was sending polling data to someone with heavy ties to Russian intelligence at the behest of a Russian oligarch.


Can we stop playing revisionist history here? All Trump ever did was try to cover for Putin and enable his attacks on democracies around the world- including our own.

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What she means to say: "Can we stop playing revisionist history here? Trump is a Russian asset and I know this because Hillary Clinton told us!"

Can you imagine being this fucking gullible and naive and retarded.. and 5 years later and after the entire premise has been debunked.. you are still out carrying Hillary's outhouse water?

The Democrats are so lucky to have someone like you. They could literally punch you square in the face and tell you that Trump made them do it.. and you would believe them.

Because you are literally that fucking stupid.

2014 - Obama/Biden - Russia Invades
2022 - Biden/Harris - Russia Invades

Facts.

Biden is an agent of Russia.

Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, isn't it an enormous coincidence that Trump was convinced, by whom I don't know, that there were people in Ukraine who were threatening his political future? First, he believed that Ukraine was holding computers that would prove that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election on Trump's behalf. Then, he believed that Ukraine's government was covering up information that Joe Biden was corrupt ahead of the 2020 election. What are the odds that this former Soviet country halfway around the world -- a country that Vladimir Putin wanted to invade -- would have such enormous influence on U.S. politics? If Trump had been reelected, which he likely would have been but for COVID, would his suspicion of Ukraine have tempered the U.S. response to Russia's aggression?

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, isn't it an enormous coincidence that Trump was convinced, by whom I don't know, that there were people in Ukraine who were threatening his political future? First, he believed that Ukraine was holding computers that would prove that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election on Trump's behalf. Then, he believed that Ukraine's government was covering up information that Joe Biden was corrupt ahead of the 2020 election. What are the odds that this former Soviet country halfway around the world -- a country that Vladimir Putin wanted to invade -- would have such enormous influence on U.S. politics? If Trump had been reelected, which he likely would have been but for COVID, would his suspicion of Ukraine have tempered the U.S. response to Russia's aggression?

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Point of clarification here. Trump didn't try to blackmail Ukraine to send him information. He tried to blackmail Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Hunter Biden.

He didn't even care about the investigation itself- he wanted the announcement.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

You know better than that. A former US President who still wields significant political sway over chunks of the electorate going out of his way to compliment the dictator who is risking WW3 right now is far more significant than that.


As for the other people in this thread (not you Gelston) who seem so sure Trump would have done a better job- what he said about Putin the other day is the evidence that says you're deluding yourself. All Trump ever did was apologize for Putin. Even after he and his campaign were informed by representatives of Russian Intelligence that Putin was actively working to support his candidacy, he still got up in front of the entire country and tried to blame China for what Russia had obviously been doing. He complimented him constantly, and he tried everything he could to stop sanctions against Putin for his election meddling. Hell his campaign manager was sending polling data to someone with heavy ties to Russian intelligence at the behest of a Russian oligarch.


Can we stop playing revisionist history here? All Trump ever did was try to cover for Putin and enable his attacks on democracies around the world- including our own.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

What about the current president who helped said dictator's economy and did nothing while said dictator rolled tanks and bombers into another sovereign nation? No biggie right?

You alt-leftists are something else. Even now you think "OMG! Mean words!" are more important and more dangerous than actual actions, or lack thereof in Biden's case.

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Literally none of this is an accurate representation of reality

I get that your MAGA world fantasy "news" is telling you on repeat that Biden has been magically "weak" against Putin (whatever that's supposed to mean), but it's complete garbage

In fact, the new sanctions against Russia are from Biden since Congress couldn't get its act together.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Literally none of this is an accurate representation of reality

I get that your MAGA world fantasy "news" is telling you on repeat that Biden has been magically "weak" against Putin (whatever that's supposed to mean), but it's complete garbage

In fact, the new sanctions against Russia are from Biden since Congress couldn't get its act together.

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Oh good, you can see my posts. So how about you respond to this post of mine:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Enlighten us all then. How did Trump “degrade” NATO? Please be specific. I mean other than asking NATO countries to spend more on their militaries.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Oh good, you can see my posts. So how about you respond to this post of mine:

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In before crickets.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Literally none of this is an accurate representation of reality

I get that your MAGA world fantasy "news" is telling you on repeat that Biden has been magically "weak" against Putin (whatever that's supposed to mean), but it's complete garbage

In fact, the new sanctions against Russia are from Biden since Congress couldn't get its act together.

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LOL. Talk about revisionist history...

So let's actually talk facts:

Trump instituted sanctions on Russia https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...ons-on-russia/ that were still in place when Biden took office. One of the first things he did was to lift them. Once Putin started building up along the border of Ukraine, Biden decided to start putting in some sanctions... and even his own administration thought it was too little too late. https://fortune.com/2022/02/24/biden...avior-ukraine/

Trump shut down Nordstream 2 pipeline https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935 and weeks after taking office, Biden removed those sanctions: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

Biden literally told Putin that as long as his "invasion" of Ukraine wasn't too large scale, that it would be fine. He was even asked about it to clarrify, he doubled down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiMD...l=TheTelegraph

Putin knows Biden is a gigantic pussy liberal.. which is why he decided now to invade Ukraine instead during the Trump administration.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Literally none of this is an accurate representation of reality

I get that your MAGA world fantasy "news" is telling you on repeat that Biden has been magically "weak" against Putin (whatever that's supposed to mean), but it's complete garbage

In fact, the new sanctions against Russia are from Biden since Congress couldn't get its act together.

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He's not magically weak.. he's a liberal.. which is one of the main characteristics.