Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

I thought the "Ghost of Kyiv" was someone made up and is a meme?

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Originally Posted by Archigeek

The "Grey Wolf", a Ukranian fighter pilot has been shot down. He was a military pilot turned popular European air show acrobatics pilot, who came out of retirement to fight for his homeland. According to the article I read, he had 7 confirmed kills in this war, and would be posthumously named "Hero of Ukraine."

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Interesting article below on the Smithsonianmag site regarding the history of Ukraine, includes reference to a past "Hero of Ukraine". Truth is, Ukraine has a troubled history and once welcomed Nazi involvement if only because it helped to lift the yoke of Russian oppression.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...=pocket-newtab

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I thought the "Ghost of Kyiv" was someone made up and is a meme?

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The man, the myth, the legend? Who knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Oksanchenko

There's a link to "Ghost of Kiev" on his wiki page... it neither confirms nor denies, but the claims of success in the air match up fairly well. It's likely hard to separate fact from fiction.

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Originally Posted by Archigeek

Pretty sure it's the same guy.

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The Ghost of Kiev is likely a bunch of guys.

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Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

Interesting article below on the Smithsonianmag site regarding the history of Ukraine, includes reference to a past "Hero of Ukraine". Truth is, Ukraine has a troubled history and once welcomed Nazi involvement if only because it helped to lift the yoke of Russian oppression.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...=pocket-newtab

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The Soviets of the time were just as bad or even worse than the Nazis. Stalin's purges saw more killed than the holocaust. People weren't aware of the extent of the Holocaust until later, but Eastern Europeans had a fairly good idea about the purges.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

The Soviets of the time were just as bad or even worse than the Nazis. Stalin's purges saw more killed than the holocaust. People weren't aware of the extent of the Holocaust until later, but Eastern Europeans had a fairly good idea about the purges.

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I heard there was a saying in Russia at the time that said something like "Hitler and Stalin are both monsters, but at least Stalin speaks Russian." Basically why let the Nazis take over when they are just as bad as the Communists and at least we can keep our culture and language with the current monster.

Stalin and the Communists have largely gotten a pass in the West because the left openly embraced Communism, while the right has spoken out against both Nazism and Communism. This is why people like Bhaalizmo are so clueless as to why there are heroes in Ukraine that were affiliated with the Nazi party, because his political party here in the US has done a damn good job of covering up the atrocities the Communists have committed over the decades. That is why right now instead of educating himself on why there are heroes in Ukraine with Nazi ties, he is instead still pushing his party's narrative that there was only one monster during WW2. It's such a mystery!

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I heard there was a saying in Russia at the time that said something like "Hitler and Stalin are both monsters, but at least Stalin speaks Russian." Basically why let the Nazis take over when they are just as bad as the Communists and at least we can keep our culture and language with the current monster.

Stalin and the Communists have largely gotten a pass in the West because the left openly embraced Communism, while the right has spoken out against both Nazism and Communism. This is why people like Bhaalizmo are so clueless as to why there are heroes in Ukraine that were affiliated with the Nazi party, because his political party here in the US has done a damn good job of covering up the atrocities the Communists have committed over the decades. That is why right now instead of educating himself on why there are heroes in Ukraine with Nazi ties, he is instead still pushing his party's narrative that there was only one monster during WW2. It's such a mystery!

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Tldr version; There were once bad people in Ukraine, so let Dreaven's hero Putin take over their country.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Tldr version; There were once bad people in Ukraine, so let Dreaven's hero Putin take over their country.

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…. That isn’t even close…

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Originally Posted by Gelston

…. That isn’t even close…

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Nowhere near as much fictionalization as a TGO recap though. Like 95% less.

Just sayin

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Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

Nowhere near as much fictionalization as a TGO recap though. Like 95% less.

Just sayin

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I think the point was they didn’t know Hitler, but they sure as fuck knew Stalin.