Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by Back

Easy buddy, read the AG's report for yourself. You'll see that all I did was summarize the AG's summary.

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Well you summarized it wrong then. You're sounding like Androidpk Jr, trying to tie the obstruction charge to the Russian collusion charge and implying Mueller didn't exonerate the Russian collusion charge. This is wrong.

Mueller, yes Mueller, not Barr, exonerated Trump and his entire campaign and everyone associated with it for the Russian collusion charge. Full stop. Period. That was all on Mueller. Mueller did not deliver the goods like you thought he would.

It is true that Mueller did not exonerate Trump in regards to the obstruction of justice charge, but both the AG AND Deputy AG did exonerate Trump.

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No Russian collusion. Thread over. Let's repurpose it.

Is two highly publicized instances of crying wolf enough to dub this decade WolfCryGate yet? Between Kavanaugh and Trump it should be enough.

At what point do we have to start cracking down on wasting I'm guessing at least hundreds of thousands, probably millions of dollars of taxpayer money on political witch hunts?

The courts are not a tool for one political party to score points against the other one. I'm of the opinion that something should be at stake on the part of the accuser in these instances. If nothing else it'd crack way the hell down on frivolous lawsuits in the private sector.

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Originally Posted by Back

To protect myself, my family and friends, and all good people from crazy misguided idiots like you. Government is necessary to protect the interests of the people.

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Let's see the long running history of how government has protected it's people.

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160 million people died in wars during the 20th century

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1860-65: USA civil war (628,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1959: Tibet's uprising against China's occupation (87,000)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)

Arab-Israeli wars
I (1947-49): 6,373 Israeli and 15,000 Arabs die
II (1956): 231 Israeli and 3,000 Egyptians die
III (1967): 776 Israeli and 20,000 Arabs die
IV (1973): 2,688 Israeli and 18,000 Arabs die
Intifada I (1987-92): 170 Israelis and 1,000 Palestinians
Intifada II (2000-03): 700 Israelis and 2,000 Palestinians
Israel-Hamas war (2008): 1,300 Palestinians

This just scratching the surface.

I know my taking bong rips and playing video games is a direct threat to your friends and family.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

No Russian collusion. Thread over. Let's repurpose it.

Is two highly publicized instances of crying wolf enough to dub this decade WolfCryGate yet? Between Kavanaugh and Trump it should be enough.

At what point do we have to start cracking down on wasting I'm guessing at least hundreds of thousands, probably millions of dollars of taxpayer money on political witch hunts?

The courts are not a tool for one political party to score points against the other one. I'm of the opinion that something should be at stake on the part of the accuser in these instances. If nothing else it'd crack way the hell down on frivilous lawsuits in the private sector.

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The AG said it was a legitimate investigation carried out professionally by a highly respected Republican. Stop acting like this was a political witch hunt.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

The AG said it was a legitimate investigation carried out professionally by a highly respected Republican. Stop acting like this was a political witch hunt.

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This was and still is a political witch hunt, just like Kavanaugh. Especially if idiots like you keep screaming "COLLUSION! COLLUSION! COLLUSION!" now that the report is finished and states that there was no evidence of collusion.

The investigative lens should now be pointed the other direction to examine the motives of those who called for the investigation. If that happened in all cases of false accusation, there would be a lot fewer accusations. Especially ones used for political points.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Well you summarized it wrong then. You're sounding like Androidpk Jr, trying to tie the obstruction charge to the Russian collusion charge and implying Mueller didn't exonerate the Russian collusion charge. This is wrong.

Mueller, yes Mueller, not Barr, exonerated Trump and his entire campaign and everyone associated with it for the Russian collusion charge. Full stop. Period. That was all on Mueller. Mueller did not deliver the goods like you thought he would.

It is true that Mueller did not exonerate Trump in regards to the obstruction of justice charge, but both the AG AND Deputy AG did exonerate Trump.

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Mueller could not conclusively find obstruction because he could not conclusively find collusion.

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Originally Posted by Back

To protect myself, my family and friends, and all good people from crazy misguided idiots like you. Government is necessary to protect the interests of the people.

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Protect the interests of the people from who exactly?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Let's see the long running history of how government has protected it's people.

I know my taking bong rips and playing video games is a direct threat to your friends and family.

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Got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette, amirite?

This is what I mean about everyone needing protection from crazy misguided idiots like you. You think government is the cause of all that when really its capitalism to blame. Specifically the oil, defense industry, pharmaceutical, and bank barons.

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Originally Posted by Back

What the report IS conclusive about is that Russia did interfere in the election. The findings by the AG show that Russia did hack the DNC emails. Everyone saw with their own eyes that the efforts of the interference was in Trump's favor.

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Actually, they ran negative ads for Trump and negative ads for Clinton.

Just because Trump won doesn't mean it was in Trump's favor.

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Since Mueller could not prove a link between Trump or his people and the Russian campaign to interfere in the election Mueller then could not substantiate the charge of obstruction by Trump.

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So.. no collusion.

Weird.

At least you are "man" enough to almost admit it.