Al Gore

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Originally posted by Ilvane
Yeah, exit polls said Gore won..then the big Democratic counties had people turned away..then suddenly there is no recount..then the Supreme Court decides?

Yep, sounds fair and the will of the people to me.

I still say, if that had happened in another country, we would be screaming that democracy was not in play!

-A

P.S. Artha, it's sad that you are such a Republican at a young age. Maybe you'll read some more and change your mind, someday.:) Of course, you have a right to your opinion.:yes:

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What is truly sad is that you simply ignore the facts on how the election was determined.. or you are simply ignorant on how the election process works in the United States.

If you do a google search on it.. I am sure you can find the facts your argument seems to be sorely missing.

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Originally posted by Prestius

Ok .. I'll bite. I'd like to see your proof that makes the entire Clarke book a complete lie. I certainly don't trust the RNC's data - hell they've already proven themselves to be viscious to anyone who suggests that the truth about the President and his administraion might be something other than what the RNC says it is - does the outing of a CIA operative ring any bells? Which leaves the 9-11 commission. The entire testimony is online. Please point the specific testimony out to me. And please if it's panel members saying "you've got a credibility problem" - you're going to have to try a bit harder.

-P

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If you are taking Clarke's book as the gospel truth about how things happened in the Bush administration.. you are a fool who is simply blinded with Bush hatred that you cannot see the truth anyway.. so why bother explaining it to you.

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

If you are taking Clarke's book as the gospel truth about how things happened in the Bush administration.. you are a fool who is simply blinded with Bush hatred that you cannot see the truth anyway.. so why bother explaining it to you.

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The Gospel Truth? Perhaps not - but I certainly give his story a LOT more credence that the ones that the Bush Administration has told - and how they try so hard to discredit anyone who disagrees with them. Besides, only a small portion of the book talks about the Bush Administration, and most of it is NOT all that horrible - except of course on how they dealt with terrorism - which is that they pretty much didn't. No wonder they want him to shut up and why they went to such lengths to make him out to be a liar.

I do highly reccommend that people read Clarke's book and not rely on what others tell you about it. The last section is his opinion and pretty much educated conjecture, but the bulk of the book sticks fairly well to the facts.

I found his description of 9-11 to be very compelling - and the section of the book that lays out the roots and progress of terrorism is fascinating and eye-opening.

-P

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Originally posted by Prestius

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

If you are taking Clarke's book as the gospel truth about how things happened in the Bush administration.. you are a fool who is simply blinded with Bush hatred that you cannot see the truth anyway.. so why bother explaining it to you.

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The Gospel Truth? Perhaps not - but I certainly give his story a LOT more credence that the ones that the Bush Administration has told - and how they try so hard to discredit anyone who disagrees with them. Besides, only a small portion of the book talks about the Bush Administration, and most of it is NOT all that horrible - except of course on how they dealt with terrorism - which is that they pretty much didn't. No wonder they want him to shut up and why they went to such lengths to make him out to be a liar.

I do highly reccommend that people read Clarke's book and not rely on what others tell you about it. The last section is his opinion and pretty much educated conjecture, but the bulk of the book sticks fairly well to the facts.

I found his description of 9-11 to be very compelling - and the section of the book that lays out the roots and progress of terrorism is fascinating and eye-opening.

-P

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Sorry.. I don't do fiction and I certainly wouldn't pay money to some disgruntled employee who didn't get what he wanted.. so he wrote a book because bashing the administration sells.

If you would like to send me your copy.. I'll be happy to give you my address. But I won't reward a person whom I see as lying to sell books.

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

Sorry.. I don't do fiction and I certainly wouldn't pay money to some disgruntled employee who didn't get what he wanted.. so he wrote a book because bashing the administration sells.

If you would like to send me your copy.. I'll be happy to give you my address. But I won't reward a person whom I see as lying to sell books.

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Wow.

Well .. the Republican smear machine definately did its job. I'm not saying to run out and buy it, but seriously it's NOT a work of fiction and Clarke really isn't the liar that they've made him out to be.

-P

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Originally posted by Prestius

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Originally posted by Parkbandit

Sorry.. I don't do fiction and I certainly wouldn't pay money to some disgruntled employee who didn't get what he wanted.. so he wrote a book because bashing the administration sells.

If you would like to send me your copy.. I'll be happy to give you my address. But I won't reward a person whom I see as lying to sell books.

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Wow.

Well .. the Republican smear machine definately did its job. I'm not saying to run out and buy it, but seriously it's NOT a work of fiction and Clarke really isn't the liar that they've made him out to be.

-P

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Actually.. the Republicans didn't make him out to be a liar.. he did a good enough job of doing so on his own.

Even many Democrats have distanced themselves from him and his testimony.

He's not a credible source for information.. unless you simply are looking for more things to dislike about Bush.. then he will work until the next disgruntled, book peddling individual happens by.

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He's not a credible source for information.. unless you simply are looking for more things to dislike about Bush.. then he will work until the next disgruntled, book peddling individual happens by.

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Well said.

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He's not a credible source for information.. unless you simply are looking for more things to dislike about Bush.. then he will work until the next disgruntled, book peddling individual happens by.

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Well said. [/quote]

It's NOT well said. It sounds exactly like a statement that someone would make who never actually read the book and is relying on someone else to tell them about it. Huge chunks of the book aren't even about the Bush Administration and actually show them in a good light in terms of immediate response to 9-11.

But hey .. if you want, dismiss Clarke as disgruntled. Sure beats the hell out of doing any form of critical thinking.

-P

I wrote a book.

It's entitled "Prestius is a wang banger."

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Originally posted by Prestius

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He's not a credible source for information.. unless you simply are looking for more things to dislike about Bush.. then he will work until the next disgruntled, book peddling individual happens by.

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Well said.

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It's NOT well said. It sounds exactly like a statement that someone would make who never actually read the book and is relying on someone else to tell them about it. Huge chunks of the book aren't even about the Bush Administration and actually show them in a good light in terms of immediate response to 9-11.

But hey .. if you want, dismiss Clarke as disgruntled. Sure beats the hell out of doing any form of critical thinking.

-P [/quote]


Your notion that you cannot have an opinion until you read his book holds zero merit for me... especially with all the information that is at my fingertips within a matter of minutes. You read the book.. yet completely missed the FACTS that he contradicted himself on MANY things. What exactly does this say about your intelligence or reading comprehension?

Let me help you out. Here's a Time Magazine article on the subject.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...604598,00.html

Hell, they even TRY to give Clarke the benefit of the doubt.

If after reading this quick article you cannot see how Clarke has contradicted himself.. then I'm simply going to chalk it up to you being a Bush hater and not paying attention to the real truth.