Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

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Then there's nothing.

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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

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https://i.imgur.com/31sYWm4.jpg

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

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Well yeah, did you see the person actually shoot the other person?

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Originally Posted by Alfster

Then there's nothing.

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There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

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That would have only happened if he was testifying against Hillary.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

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You're not very smart. Coincidence can exist anywhere. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it can't be true.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

There is the lack of any alternative explanation for the fact that Trump was hiding a $300m Moscow real estate deal (which needed buy-in from the highest levels of Russian government) that included a $50m penthouse bribe specifically for Vladimir Putin while Russia was actively interfering with our democracy to get Trump elected- a fact Trump did his best to hide from the public. Factor in the reality that Trump was touting Putin's most prized foreign policy goals the whole time (and tried to give them to him- including trying to roll back sanctions immediately after being elected)- all of which were at the expense of the US's own security- and I'd say that we're well beyond speculation.

Repeat after me kids: there is no such thing as a coincidence in politics.

And no one has been able to provide a single other reasonable explanation aside from the one that is staring us straight in the face- Trump and his campaign coordinated with Russia to win the election either in return for a major real estate deal or as a consequence of it (as one of Russia's favorite tactics is to entrap people in lucrative business deals in Russia and use it to get compromising information on them).

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So you've got nothing at all. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer

Here's an oldie but a goody from 7-25-2017. :lol:

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much.

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy.. Oh and this guy. Oh and this guy, but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did.

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's darling.

Because Putin has no history of killing off people who know too much.

It's not like anyone with ties to this whole situation has mysteriously died. Oh well except this guy.. Oh and this guy. Oh and this guy, but, hey, they figure it was probably for some other reason aside from being an informant for Steele. And it's not like Fusion GPS testified in a Congressional hearing that there were any deaths related to the dossier going public. Oh wait- except they did.

It's so cute when your ignorance shows.

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TR;DR

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Originally Posted by Gelston

You're not very smart. Coincidence can exist anywhere. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it can't be true.

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ROFLMAO

First off- have you ever even worked in politics? Anyone who had would be laughing hysterically in your face right now.

But, more to the point, for your cute "what if" to be true- we'd have to believe that Vladimir Putin took great steps to separate out the Trump Tower Moscow project (and his $50m penthouse bribe) from all of his decisions around helping Trump get elected President. That would be frankly fucking astounding for anyone, but it would be particularly so for a man who regularly uses business deals to recruit assets.

On top of that, we'd have to then believe that TRUMP- scrupulous and deliberate as he is- didn't at all factor in the way he was treating Russia with the pending $300m Real Estate deal he needed Putin to sign off on in order to make it real. Of course, you'd be left having to explain why Trump lied about the real estate deal and ordered Cohen (and presumably his campaign staff and family) to lie about the deal to Congress.

And then you'd have to come up with some other explanation as to why candidate Trump- notoriously indifferent when it comes to policy- just "happened" to have picked up some REALLY strong opinions about NATO, Russian Sanctions, the Ukraine, and election meddling- all of which favored Russia at the expense of the US.

And THEN you'd have to explain why Trump decided to roll back Russian sanctions- which were levied for the election meddling- immediately after being elected- an explanation that would need to include some justification for why they tried to do it in secret. While you were at it, you'd have to explain why candidate Trump- who had been informed by the FBI and the Russian government that Putin was actively trying to help him win the election- repeatedly worked to convince people none of that was going on.

The fact that you thought it was wise or effective to substitute an empty platitude for any meaningful response to the specific situation is what indicates that you are just not very smart.