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08-29-2021, 11:17 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Sorry, housing assistance and SNAP doesn't count welfare income. And you are simply conflating spending with ending homeless and that is a false narrative and wrong and has been proven wrong over and over. Your assertion that people don't have babies to get more money is also wrong, it happens and happens a lot more than you know. And your assertion that trying to end economic slavery to the government is "anti family" is also bullshit. Economic slavery is destructive as fuck to society. Destroying the family is destructive to society. The economic facts are clear, the end of poverty is a free economy and active job creation and not taxes and wealth redistribution. This is a government caused problem and the government is not the solution. Period.

60+ years of the failure of the "Great Society" is irrefutable proof of the failure of government interfearance in ending poverty, all it has done is increase poverty, increase dependence and destroy the American family and it's unsustainable at it's current level much less increasing it. The government has never cured poverty anywhere on the planet in any manner at all, even the most progressive, Socialist or Communist forms, none have ever cured poverty. Open economies with less restrictive regulations and healthy business creation and growth DOES cure poverty as much as it can. The sad fact is, poverty is a permanent state there is and always will be poverty and nothing will change that despite your feelings or desires to the contrary.

Failure of the Great Society? The economic engine of the country is in overdrive and the lack of materials and components now sourced overseas, paired with exploitative gas prices are the only reason why inflation is out of control. If the rest of the world was shifting into fourth gear like our country, we'd be a lot closer to pre covid-19 level than you'd think.

Yes the political divide is approaching a boiling point, the housing market is bonkers, but beyond that the country is strong. Ailing, but strong.
08-29-2021, 11:18 PM
Seran

The only thing that's a proven failure is trickle down economics. The tax cuts enacted in the 80s and reinforced under Trump are only adding wealth to the obscenely rich.
08-30-2021, 09:22 PM
~Rocktar~

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Originally Posted by Seran

The only thing that's a proven failure is trickle down economics. The tax cuts enacted in the 80s and reinforced under Trump are only adding wealth to the obscenely rich.

Because the average person paying about 47 to 48% of their gross income to taxes of one form or another has nothing to do with it? Then there is the fact that for a year and a half the super rich evil corporations got to stay open while crushing their competition that was forced to close because of the Leftist agenda. OH and yes, the "great society" has failed since we haven't changed the poverty rate, we have destroyed the family and out society is nearing critical collapse due to the debt caused by entitlement spending and the fact that so many of our population are on some entitlement program or another.
08-30-2021, 10:21 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Because the average person paying about 47 to 48% of their gross income to taxes of one form or another has nothing to do with it? Then there is the fact that for a year and a half the super rich evil corporations got to stay open while crushing their competition that was forced to close because of the Leftist agenda. OH and yes, the "great society" has failed since we haven't changed the poverty rate, we have destroyed the family and out society is nearing critical collapse due to the debt caused by entitlement spending and the fact that so many of our population are on some entitlement program or another.

You're joking, right? 61% of America paid zero federal incomes tax last year, meaning the average citizen had to come up with 47-48% in taxes to what exactly? Payroll taxes? Wrong. Sales taxes? Wrong. Gasoline taxes at 18 cents a gallon? Nope not there either. Considering California has the highest marginal tax rate at 13.3% for the highest earners, surely you're not calling your friends Buffy and Bunny at the Yacht Club average person? Cleary you're lying.

So let's move on to those evil corporate bastards who benefited from covid-19. I presume of course you're referring to Walmart and Amazon. Now setting aside their hourly pay is double that of the majority of states, plus they give benefits. Setting aside they made sure your family had reasonable access to food, toiletries and medicines. Setting aside they had the infrastructure to step up and meet demand, while mom and pop main street tried to get by charging 30% markup while paying minimum wage. Why, if salute you planting your flag in the name of inconvenience and overpayments!

Now the poor poor nuclear family, being destroyed by what I presume you are referring to LGBT+ indoctrination, maybe those state mandated divorces and baby factories? Oh wait, none of those things exist, so hist what is destroying your idea of the American Family. Things not quite as white as they used to be and you're scared?

Leave discussions to the big kids. You clearly have no fucking clue.
08-30-2021, 10:41 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by Seran

You're joking, right? 61% of America paid zero federal incomes tax last year, meaning the average citizen had to come up with 47-48% in taxes to what exactly? Payroll taxes? Wrong. Sales taxes? Wrong. Gasoline taxes at 18 cents a gallon? Nope not there either. Considering California has the highest marginal tax rate at 13.3% for the highest earners, surely you're not calling your friends Buffy and Bunny at the Yacht Club average person? Cleary you're lying.

So let's move on to those evil corporate bastards who benefited from covid-19. I presume of course you're referring to Walmart and Amazon. Now setting aside their hourly pay is double that of the majority of states, plus they give benefits. Setting aside they made sure your family had reasonable access to food, toiletries and medicines. Setting aside they had the infrastructure to step up and meet demand, while mom and pop main street tried to get by charging 30% markup while paying minimum wage. Why, if salute you planting your flag in the name of inconvenience and overpayments!

Now the poor poor nuclear family, being destroyed by what I presume you are referring to LGBT+ indoctrination, maybe those state mandated divorces and baby factories? Oh wait, none of those things exist, so hist what is destroying your idea of the American Family. Things not quite as white as they used to be and you're scared?

Leave discussions to the big kids. You clearly have no fucking clue.

So you agree that 39% of a population paying for 100% of a population is wrong. Awesome we agree. So when politicians say "people must pay their fair share!!"... then you mean all people right? Because eventually, that percentage will continue to degrade and result in even fewer people earning and providing for the vast majority of those that don't. Simple supply and demand dictates that enormous subsidies and social programs for equity will result in utter collapse... regardless of how nice the idea sounds. There are plenty of historical examples of just such attempts at "equity".... which usually ends with the death of millions.

The large corporations did benefit from Covid-19, the state and federal restrictions and mandates. That is easily reflected in their earnings reports, and the immense closures of numerous smaller businesses throughout the country. That information is easily found and available. It's not the fact that a business is succeeding - it is the monopoly that they create and exert control over the markets with. That's why there are regulations (that are supposed to be enforced judiciously) against monopolies and anti-trust laws. If you can't see certain companies have achieved a monopoly status, well that's on you.

The destruction of the family system has nothing to do with LGBT+ indoctrination. You must be projecting or something. It has to do with the complete destruction of families where children do not grow up with two parents. That's not to say single parents can't do well, it's just much harder and when it becomes widespread as it is trending, then you see less stable situations for children, which increases the chance for bad results.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with Color... again you are projecting your own dumbass thoughts onto others. Shame that you think that way. Asian, Hispanic, Eastern European, Middle-Eastern, etc. have a much better grasp and respect for the family than the US... both it's children and elders.
LGBT+ and Color have absolutely zero to do with the statistics he was referencing. If you can't see and understand the data, all the studies, and information available, then that is on you.

You clearly have internal biases, and project those biases on how you view family structures.
08-30-2021, 11:02 PM
Neveragain

I know for sure I'm voting democrat in 2022 for our gubernatorial race. Something doesn't sit straight with me that someone with 2 prior OWI's and vetoed an improved medical cannabis law that had support from both sides of the isle, should be in any position of power.

If by 2024 we don't have changes in our abortion laws I will also switch back to the Democrat party if they continue with reducing our military footprint around the globe.

in 1989 the ratio between the board members and the average employee was 98 to 1. we are currently at 330 to 1.
08-30-2021, 11:22 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Shaps

So you agree that 39% of a population paying for 100% of a population is wrong. Awesome we agree. So when politicians say "people must pay their fair share!!"... then you mean all people right? Because eventually, that percentage will continue to degrade and result in even fewer people earning and providing for the vast majority of those that don't. Simple supply and demand dictates that enormous subsidies and social programs for equity will result in utter collapse... regardless of how nice the idea sounds. There are plenty of historical examples of just such attempts at "equity".... which usually ends with the death of millions.

Everything you said was pure nonsense and unworthy of a response, but this why it is ignorance I think you're capable of correcting.

The top 3% earn more annually than the other 97% and do not pay more in taxes than the other 36% you so clearly think are victimized. Why? Capital gains exemptions, stock options, convertible assets that are reported as unrealized income. You act like there is nothing in between, that the highest earners are being destroyed by the poor. But what happened to the middle class? Wage stagnation, inflation, jobs being outsourced to other countries without job relocation domestically. Why the list is huge, yet the wealthiest 3% has never been more filthy rich.

And yet the poor are the problem to you. Over looking that the unemployment rate is only 5.4%, it completely eludes you that of those working and earning, 60% don't make enough to pay taxes and require federal assistance.

Yet to someone with your high minded conservatism, those companies paying double the federal minimum wage or triple state minimum wages, they're the problem.

Grow up.
08-30-2021, 11:45 PM
Shaps

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Originally Posted by Seran

Everything you said was pure nonsense and unworthy of a response, but this why it is ignorance I think you're capable of correcting.

The top 3% earn more annually than the other 97% and do not pay more in taxes than the other 36% you so clearly think are victimized. Why? Capital gains exemptions, stock options, convertible assets that are reported as unrealized income. You act like there is nothing in between, that the highest earners are being destroyed by the poor. But what happened to the middle class? Wage stagnation, inflation, jobs being outsourced to other countries without job relocation domestically. Why the list is huge, yet the wealthiest 3% has never been more filthy rich.

And yet the poor are the problem to you. Over looking that the unemployment rate is only 5.4%, it completely eludes you that of those working and earning, 60% don't make enough to pay taxes and require federal assistance.

Yet to someone with your high minded conservatism, those companies paying double the federal minimum wage or triple state minimum wages, they're the problem.

Grow up.

So in your first response.. you defend the greatness of companies (the top 3%) like Amazon.. then in the next comment on how the "top 3%" don't pay enough in taxes?

So let me get it straight? Or are you just saying shit to say shit?

I didn't comment on wage stagnation, inflation, or outsourcing.. those all are happening and are horrible. I was commenting on the fact that each year a smaller percentage of people pay Federal taxes than those that do.

As this occurs, all the points you are making... contribute to it.

It's not "high minded conservatism" I'm promoting.. it's individualism and for the Government to get the fuck out of the way and act as a referee - like they're supposed to. The government should only be ensuring that all INDIVIDUALs work within the same laws and system. That's it, in my opinion at least.

All the issues you mentioned above? is the unholy distortion that has occurred between elected officials who are essentially bought off, and major corporations.

How about you grow up... and stop contradicting yourself over and over.

Essentially you're listening to the Politicians that tell you such things as "equity" is the only way to "make people pay" and "ensure their happiness"... all the while they're the ones setting up the conditions that you mention above. It's a cute little game they like to play on people such as yourself.
08-31-2021, 12:05 AM
Shaps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Short little read, but this is how the Democrat Party has distorted the term "liberal" from it's historical context.

I give them credit.. they're fucking master psychologists on getting people to forget that they are an individual and should be respected as such.

So am I really promoting "high minded conservatism" or perhaps... I'm actually the liberal and you're the fascist/socialist/communist?

And a historical reminder: The Democratic Party was the Party of the KKK and Jim Crow. I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey... what don't racist bigots trying to maintain their power not do? Am I right?
08-31-2021, 12:32 AM
Ashliana

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Originally Posted by Shaps, Who Totally Isn't A Self-Parody Of Redneck Trump Supporters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Short little read, but this is how the Democrat Party has distorted the term "liberal" from it's historical context.

I give them credit.. they're fucking master psychologists on getting people to forget that they are an individual and should be respected as such.

So am I really promoting "high minded conservatism" or perhaps... I'm actually the liberal and you're the fascist/socialist/communist?

And a historical reminder: The Democratic Party was the Party of the KKK and Jim Crow. I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey... what don't racist bigots trying to maintain their power not do? Am I right?

Historical reminder: The "Democratic" party of the KKK and Jim Crow was the party of white, rural conservative southerners, and all but one Confederate state went for Trump in 2016, and all but 2 in 2020.

I know people like to try and distort that fact, but hey.. what don't racist, bigoted white conservatives from the rural south trying to maintain their power not do?

Or in other words:

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https://i.redd.it/togmyo77e1961.jpg