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Its hard to say. Mueller is running a tight ship. I think you're right on in that its applying pressure on Manafort. One thing that is completely lost in the debate is trumps bad judgement. With any other potus that would be headline news. Now, I think everyone just expects itQuote:
Originally Posted by Rheisia
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Originally Posted by Rheisia
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The breaking of Rick Gates represents a dramatic escalation of Mueller’s probe into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. While the White House previously said it was unconcerned by the possibility that Gates would sing, the former campaign official was present at several critical junctures of the Trump-Russia affair. As deputy campaign chairman, Gates was on board during Don Jr.’s Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer, as well as for the campaign surrogates’ meeting with Russian officials during the Republican National Convention, when the decision was made to change the language in the official Republican platform to make it more sympathetic to Russian interests. And he remained on the Trump team throughout the transition period, when Jared Kushner and other campaign officials made contact with Russians, including Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and Vnesheconombank Chairman Sergey Gorkov.
Gates was part of the core 4 team. Manafort, Gates, Bannon, Conway.
https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/s...74796252516352
Thanks both of you. I didn't realize that Gates was a part of the campaign at all, let alone an important part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Too many threads for me to follow, but reading through these posts is helping me wrap my brain around everything. It's also helping me understand both sides of this. I know the more conservative crew here trucks in a lot of insults as the primary argument, but if you sift through- they've actually made some good points.
Insults are their only argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rheisia
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I don't think I've seen too many points made by them.
Can you highlight some that you found worthy of attention.
Adam Schiff says that the DOJ has corroborated the Carter Page section of the Steele dossier. What does that section claim?
1 - Page had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin - Rosneft Prez
2 - Sechin offered brokerage of Rosneft sale to Trump team
3 - Page had a secret meeting with Divyekin.
4 - Divyekin told Page that the Kremlin had incriminating info on Clinton.
5 - Divyekin hinted to Page that the Kremlin had kompromat on Trump.
PB made a pretty insane argument that people who voted for Clinton in the primary are somehow more responsible for Trump's election than the people who actually voted for Trump (I laughed a little), but he WAS right that if Sanders had been the nominee he probably would have won. The recent indictment of the 13 Russians supports that.
And Neveragain is being overly simplistic when he argues that conservatives are basically in an all-win situation right now, but I think he's right that a lot of conservatives are looking at things that way. And that helps explain all of the miles between conservatives and everyone else right now.
I wouldn't say Clinton voters are more responsible though I would say that Clinton herself and the DNC share a lot of the responsibility for Trump. I said before the DNC convention that if Hillary gets the nomination then Trump wins. We had a populist election, of course a highly unlikable, tone deaf, establishment candidate was going to lose. If the DNC hadn't (literally) sold out and screwed Bernie over I don't think we'd be in this mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rheisia
Trump getting impeached and making way for Pence wouldn't be a win for the Republicans IMO. The fallout implications woul severely hurt the Republicans for years to come. Pence would be a lame duck until the end of the term.
I would more than welcome dissenting opinions but like I said they can't offer anything up beyond, "No collusion!", "You're a retard", "You're gay." It's the lowest effort trolling I've ever seen.
In fairness- if Clinton hadn't been attacked by the Russians, she likely would have won. The election came down to some tiny margins in very specific states- the same states that were targeted heavily. No one wants to blame the Russians for the outcome for various reasons, but honestly- that needs to be factored in. They helped keep a lot of people home and convinced a lot of other people to vote third party. Though I do agree with you that she wasn't a great populist candidate- even though she supported very populist policies. She never did a great job of communicating them. (I was a Sanders supporter, but I'm not one of the people who thinks Clinton is evil. She's just not what I wanted. My order of preference was Sanders, Kasich, and then Clinton)Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I agree with you that Pence being elected would make the backlash even worse.
I actually think folks on the right have some great potential arguments to be making right now, but I get the impression that they trapped themselves by clinging to the "Mueller is part of a Deep State conspiracy to convince the country of an imaginary Russian attack to destroy the Trump administration" story. When that has been your argument, you don't have a lot left to fall back on.