So if there was some sort of bubble while Bush was in office, would it not have counted either?
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So if there was some sort of bubble while Bush was in office, would it not have counted either?
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Correct.
Move On, eh? Hey, I know that you Repubs have O'Reilly and CNS to do you thinking for you but I honestly never read it.Quote:
Originally posted by Celtic
My God, Ilvane... Prestius...
Do either of you even bother to read about something before going on and restating move-on.org's bs?
Swiftboats are a UNIT. You live, eat, play, buy 8mm cameras together. You co-habitate through each of the mobile bases that they create as they go down a river or creek.
These men, all 325 of them at the onset, knew one another intimately. Their commander rose to the rank of rear adm.
I'm telling you all right now. Should Bush some how lose this election, and I havn't lost faith in the American people to think that it would happen, but even a blind squirrel can find an acorn, I am going to remove every penny I have in my investments, sell my house, quit my job, and find a nice little island to live on until someone else is re-elected or the country is destroyed in a nuclear explosion because Kerry is over "being sensitive" HIS WORDS to the needs of those trying to kill us.
Incredible. Why do I read these threads?!?!?
But hey .. we can talk Swift Boats and who saw what all you want. Kerry was *there*. He did the kind of call to duty that the Repubs can only dream of. Bush pussed out.
So .. yeah .. maybe Rassman got pulled in from the left side of the boat and not the right .. and maybe the fire came from the other bank of the river - but who cares? While Kerry was in the MeKong delta, what was Bush doing?
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[Edited on 8-7-2004 by Prestius]
Prestius said : "While Kerry was in the MeKong delta, what was Bush doing?"
He was in the national guard. But at least he served. What was Clinton doing? LOL
Dude, I don't give a rats ass what either of them was doing, I am sick and tired of Kerry's proven lies and flip-flops.
Did Bush lie to the American People? From the evidence presented even at the 9-11 commission I concluded that he, BUSH, was misled by Tenent and some of the others in the intelligence community.
I am not a fan of war. But Prestius, I lived in NYC. I saw, with horror the images of these sick people flying our airplanes into the twin towers and those images will forever be in my head. To think of those people on both the planes, in the towers, I thank GOD that HE was able to save as many as he did. 3000 people died that day, and that day I wished every radical muslim dead. I still feel as strongly about it today as I did then.
Did Iraq have something to do with 9/11? Other then allowing training from 1996 through 2000 on their soil, no. Did Iraq have WMD? Yes, and they find more and of the weapons every day. Read Reuters. Not two weeks ago we found 11 missles buried under 6" of concrete all set to receive nuclear devices. Every day we find mortar shells, artillery shells all laced with saren gas.
I will tell you this, if Kerry is elected, we are in serious shit. Our taxes will triple. We will be attacked at will and this guy will be too busy kissing France, Germany's ass and begging permission for us to retaliate.
My god, are you all just blind?
Wow. So you're comparing an official news site to a right wing, straight from the dumpster, blog site?Quote:
Originally posted by Jack
And you forgot this one.Quote:
Originally posted by Kefka
You forgot this article:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...cism_of_kerry/
WASHINGTON -- A week after Senator John F. Kerry heralded his wartime experience by surrounding himself at the Democratic convention with his Vietnam ''Band of Brothers," a separate group of veterans has launched a television ad campaign and a book that questions the basis for some of Kerry's combat medals.
But yesterday, a key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book.
ANTI-KERRY VETS HANG TOUGH
Fri Aug 06 2004 13:37:12 ET
The following statement from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth concerns an article appearing in morning edition of the BOSTON GLOBE, written by GLOBE reporter and author of the official Kerry-Edwards campaign book, Mike Kranish.
"Captain George Elliott describes an article appearing in today’s edition of the BOSTON GLOBE by Mike Kranish as extremely inaccurate and highly misstating his actual views. He reaffirms his statement in the current advertisement paid for by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Captain Elliott reaffirms his affidavit in support of that advertisement, and he reaffirms his request that the ad be played.
“Additional documentation will follow.
"The article by Mr. Kranish is particularly surprising given page 102 of Mr. Kranish’s own book quoting John Kerry as acknowledging that he killed a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong soldier whom he was afraid would turn around.
"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has more than 250 supporters who are revealing first hand, eyewitness accounts of numerous incidents concerning John Kerry’s military service record. The organization will continue to discuss much of what John Kerry has reported as fact concerning his four-month tour of duty in Vietnam."
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm
<<Did Iraq have WMD? Yes, and they find more and of the weapons every day. Read Reuters. Not two weeks ago we found 11 missles buried under 6" of concrete all set to receive nuclear devices. Every day we find mortar shells, artillery shells all laced with saren gas. >>
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...1009-2541r.htm
A U.S. military spokesman in Tikrit told United Press International that the report was untrue.
"Nothing's been found. The report is not factual," said Master Sgt. Robert Cowens, a spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division, based in Tikrit.
There's at least 5 staunch Bush supporters besides you. So, that's a "no".Quote:
Originally posted by Celtic
My god, are you all just blind?
So maybe you'd belive the letter sent by the swift boat vets themselves to various Television stations regarding the article in the Globe? Here it is:Quote:
Originally posted by Kefka
Wow. So you're comparing an official news site to a right wing, straight from the dumpster, blog site?
Re: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth
Dear Station Manager:
The Kerry Campaign has continued its effort to prevent our voice from being heard. You were presented with an article from Kerry's hometown newspaper, The Boston Globe, written by Michael Kranish, Kerry's biographer, claiming that Captain Elliott had withdrawn his affidavit and disavowed the ad. This is totally false.
Enclosed is Captain Elliott's affidavit executed this morning after the false Globe story.
Captain Elliott affirms his original affidavit; affirms his ad statement; and adds additional detail. In the ad, Captain Elliott says that Kerry was not honest about his service in Vietnam. This is indisputably true.
The use of a surprise false article to strike pending ads represents a new low in ambush journalism.
Very truly yours,
John E. O'Neill
JEO/cas
Enclosure
http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php...40806153208686
And if that isn't good enough for you, perhaps a signed, and notorized affidavit From Captain Elliott reaffirming his previous statements?
http://www.swiftvets.com/Elliottaffidavit08062004.pdf
Celtic, I wish some Republicans would remember that it wasn't Iraq that attacked the world trade center, it was BinLaden and his compadres who are in Afghanistan.
Sorry, but why is it that only after people questioned the weapons of mass destruction did Bush say Al Queda started training in Iraq?? They started coming there when we attacked Iraq and didn't have a plan afterwards. The whole place is filled with terrorists there now, because there is no definitive direction in the government, or sense of safety or law.
Where does it say that John Kerry is going to raise taxes three times? He's actually going to raise taxes on the rich, back to where it was before. They shouldn't be getting tax breaks. The economy is not growing much, no matter what they are saying. The deficit, the war, the slow job growth, it all makes a difference in the economy. We have so many people without healthcare in this country that we have a crisis in America's emergency rooms, and the doctors are forced to charge more and more since there are no protections for them. Bush isn't exactly working on that either. Oddly enough, he's making sure Iraqi's are getting health care. What about our hundreds of thousands in this country in the same predicament?
Okay, here is something else on the Swift boats, I was reading it on factcheck.org.
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A Terrible Mistake"
Several of those who appear in the ad have signed brief affidavits, and we have posted some of them in the "supporting documents" section to the right for our visitors to evaluate for themselves. However, one of those affidavits already has been recanted by the man who signed it, Lieutenant Commander George Elliott, who had been Kerry's commanding officer. Elliott was quoted by the Boston Globe Aug 6 as saying he had made a "terrible mistake" in signing the affidavit against Kerry.
George Elliott: It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here. . . . I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.
The statement Elliott now says was wrong had suggested that Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- his highest decoration -- which was awarded for an incident in which Kerry beached his boat and then pursued and killed an enemy soldier on the shore. Elliott had previously defended Kerry on that score when his record was questioned during his 1996 Senate campaign. At that time Elliott came to Boston and said Kerry acted properly and deserved the Silver Star.
It was Elliott who recommended Kerry both for the Silver Star and for the Bronze Star, his other decoration for valor. Despite recanting his affidavit regarding the Silver Star, Elliott told the Globe he has come to believe Kerry didn't deserve the second award, based on what the other anti-Kerry veterans have told him.
Elliott: I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand.
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I'm going to rest, I just finished singing at a wedding.
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[Edited on 8-7-2004 by Ilvane]
Ilvane, please read the post directly above yours.