Denouement of U.S. Empire

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03-24-2018, 05:55 AM
cwolff

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President Donald Trump "is now set for war on 3 fronts: political vs Bob Mueller, economic vs China/others on trade, and actual vs. Iran and/or North Korea," Richard Haass tweeted Friday. "This is the most perilous moment in modern American history -- and it has been largely brought about by ourselves, not by events."

Haass, a pillar of the US foreign policy establishment and longtime president of the Council on Foreign Relations, a premiere foreign policy think tank, previously accused the Trump administration of abdicating US global leadership.

This guy isn't some liberal Michael Moore type. We're heading for a fall.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/polit...eet/index.html
03-24-2018, 06:15 AM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

The only thing dumber than the spending bill is Pelosi and Schumer high fiving each other like this was something worth celebrating.

Been reading about this a little bit tonight. It seems conservative media is calling it a big win for Pelosi and Shumer. Guess that's why the high five. They won this round and trumpists have to eat it.
03-24-2018, 08:04 AM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

The only thing dumber than the spending bill is Pelosi and Schumer high fiving each other like this was something worth celebrating.

I don't get it. They got a budget bill passed through a GOP controlled Senate, House and White House that had pretty much everything they wanted.

Why wouldn't they celebrate?
03-24-2018, 08:08 AM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Been reading about this a little bit tonight. It seems conservative media is calling it a big win for Pelosi and Shumer. Guess that's why the high five. They won this round and trumpists have to eat it.

It was a huge win for the Democrats.

The GOP was outmaneuvered by this bullshit budget deadline and forced to pass a budget that puts more and more debt on this country in the next decade.

Hell, they even got the GOP to fund Planned Parenthood at the tune of 500 million dollars... something that most GOP candidates ran on defunding.

It was a huge win for them. THIS was the last nail in the coffin for the House remaining in GOP control.
03-24-2018, 01:06 PM
Latrinsorm

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Originally Posted by drauz

I just want more options. I have no idea how it would work in practice here. We have different cultures and our politics have evolved in different ways.

The first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the Electoral College, because if no one wins a majority (i.e. every election with three+ viable candidates) then the House of Representatives picks the President, which would be a disaster for many obvious reasons. Your best bet is probably ranked choice / instant runoff elections, but even then the results are still going to be two-party dominance because they continually evolve to cover the middle of the political spectrum.
03-24-2018, 01:12 PM
Androidpk

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

I don't get it. They got a budget bill passed through a GOP controlled Senate, House and White House that had pretty much everything they wanted.

Why wouldn't they celebrate?

A win for them doesn't mean it's good for everybody.
03-24-2018, 01:13 PM
Androidpk

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

The first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the Electoral College, because if no one wins a majority (i.e. every election with three+ viable candidates) then the House of Representatives picks the President, which would be a disaster for many obvious reasons. Your best bet is probably ranked choice / instant runoff elections, but even then the results are still going to be two-party dominance because they continually evolve to cover the middle of the political spectrum.

Actually the first thing should be to allow for better representation at the debates, which generally never allow 3rd party candidates to participate in.
03-24-2018, 02:31 PM
Methais

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

A win for them doesn't mean it's good for everybody.

Most democrat wins aren't good for anybody.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

Actually the first thing should be to allow for better representation at the debates, which generally never allow 3rd party candidates to participate in.

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03-24-2018, 04:47 PM
Latrinsorm

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

Actually the first thing should be to allow for better representation at the debates, which generally never allow 3rd party candidates to participate in.

Either that would have an impact on the elections, in which case changing the Electoral College etc. first is much more important, or it wouldn't, so changing the Electoral College etc. is much more important. The mechanism of voting is always the key. What's more important, that black people can vote or that they can watch debates? You know?
03-24-2018, 06:23 PM
~Rocktar~

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

Either that would have an impact on the elections, in which case changing the Electoral College etc. first is much more important, or it wouldn't, so changing the Electoral College etc. is much more important. The mechanism of voting is always the key. What's more important, that black people can vote or that they can watch debates? You know?

What a lovely racist suggestion that Black people can't vote now.

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