Brghun

[Enuch]

To whomever owns Brghun, I don't care if you script cast yourself while you are migrating stats (assuming, only reason to be on 24/7 and cast 401 until you turn blue), but can you tone down the amount of times you cast in a given setting, and can you do in a location where people don't convene regularly. As much as I love to see you spam yourself with 401 ever 30 seconds to a minute six times in a row, for the entirety of time I spend at the IMT well for lockpicking it would be nice if you could lower the amount of casts to something tolerable or just move one north that would be spectacular.

Again, don't care what you do to script just script someplace less populated it is quite tedious and you don't respond and I can't move you one north otherwise I would solve that problem. You deter me from resting there and picking boxes for the townsfolk in a safe and understood lockpicking area.

[elcidcannon]

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[Astray]

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:yeahthat:

[Enuch]

Did, and he is still at it, so thought I would reach out to the community in the hopes the owner sees and adjusts

[Allereli]

squelch

[Enuch]

ah hadn't thought of that, that fixes it for me, but that is quite a burden to put on the public for everyone who wants boxes picked but doesn't want to be flooded by 401 to all squelch him. Fixes the problem for everyone the first time, but a bigger community hassle versus one person amending their behavior.

[Ltlprprincess]

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Reporting if he is self-casting is a waste of time. If he is afk script casting people as they walk in with a tap/whisper/touch, whatever, different story.

[Allereli]

Reporting if he is self-casting is a waste of time. If he is afk script casting people as they walk in with a tap/whisper/touch, whatever, different story.

not necessarily, generally annoying/disruptive behavior is against policy

[Allereli]

ah hadn't thought of that, that fixes it for me, but that is quite a burden to put on the public for everyone who wants boxes picked but doesn't want to be flooded by 401 to all squelch him. Fixes the problem for everyone the first time, but a bigger community hassle versus one person amending their behavior.

I agree, something should be done to correct his behavior, not everyone else having to do something.

[Astray]

Just murder him. Or better yet, cutthroat him.

[Tgo01]

Just murder him. Or better yet, cutthroat him.

Brghun is actually a GM character setup to catch people who engage in afk-scripting vigilantism.

[Taernath]

Name and behavior makes me think it's some kind of foreign bot character.

If they figure out lnet we're doomed.

[Astray]

Name and behavior makes me think it's some kind of foreign bot character.

If they figure out lnet we're doomed.

I can't wait to read some Tagalog.

[Taernath]

I can't wait to read some Tagalog.

[LNet]-GSIV:Brghun: "GM Andraste: Congratulation! Receive a free Gemstone 4: Reins of the Spectral Tiger mount and access to savant beta at http://www.pley.net/gsA [12:44 PM]

[Astray]

[LNet]-GSIV:Brghun: "GM Andraste: Congratulation! Receive a free Gemstone 4: Reins of the Spectral Tiger mount and access to savant beta at http://www.pley.net/gsA [12:44 PM]

Oh man. All I know is those people who get upset when someone asks for spells frequently? Wait till you read 'wala po baps' a hundred fucking times.

[Enuch]

Brghun is actually a GM character setup to catch people who engage in afk-scripting vigilantism.

I try to avoid killing and maiming to bleed out for the very reason I have heard about people killing afk scripters getting in more trouble than the scripters themselves.

[WRoss]

He's at the well? Blow up a trap or drag him to another scoot. If memory serves he is a gnome. Should be easy to drag to some fun and interesting places

[Enuch]

trap would be the only option, he is set to not be dragged unless dead

[Astray]

Just itchy curse him.

[TheBastardOfStark]

Scarabs. Lots of scarabs. Set off the trap, pop the bugger out of your skin, let him eat the gnome, then drag to somewhere and pour flasks in him until he dc's
I tend to sit at the well occasionally, and he is rather annoying.

[Enuch]

He hasn't been around for several days, hoping he has moved on permanently and not just for the holiday weekend

[Tillmen]

So apparently there's a thread about this...

Brghun is mine. Infomon crapped out for unknown reasons which made the spellup script think he had no spells no matter how much he cast, which also prevented him from logging out after completing his tasks.


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Did, and he is still at it, so thought I would reach out to the community in the hopes the owner sees and adjusts

I certainly noticed the scripting violation (after a few days) and adjusted accordingly. He no longer scans the Icemule and Solhaven playershops, since he can't be trusted to spell himself up to travel. Also, I don't know if the scripting violation will have an effect on the accounts I actually play and can't very well chance getting another one.


Just murder him. Or better yet, cutthroat him.
This would have been much preferable, since it would have caused him to log out and he would have been fixed at the next automated login.

So, mystery solved in case you people were still wondering about this. Does any else find it ironic that my only scripting violation was on a character that hasn't earned any experience, silvers, skills, or anything in about eight months?

[Astray]

So, mystery solved in case you people were still wondering about this. Does any else find it ironic that my only scripting violation was on a character that hasn't earned any experience, silvers, skills, or anything in about eight months?

Not really ironic, more like... why didn't the GM just go "Oh, he's being a nuisance. Throw into purgatory till owner gets back." or something along those lines.

Guess they needed an easy win.

[Methais]

trap would be the only option, he is set to not be dragged unless dead

Hide, stalk, fog.

After reading this thread, in disappointed that it was Tillmen and not some Chinese guy.

[Taernath]

If they figure out lnet we're doomed.


Brghun is mine.

lol

Sorry about that scripting violation, it doesn't sound like it was warranted in this situation. Maybe you can appeal it?

[Tgo01]

How did you get a scripting violation for just casting spells on yourself?

GMs be crazy.

[Tillmen]

Maybe you can appeal it?

I did an assist.. on Brghun.. waited around several hours without a response, as you might expect. According to the logs a GameHost showed up almost two weeks later asking me to stop my script so we could talk. Brghun doesn't even run with a frontend so there wasn't much chance of seeing that message. I suppose I should feel lucky I didn't get another scripting violation for not responding to a GameHost...

I'm about to go post on the officials about it. I made a post too long ago to remember about getting a GM assisted leveled-up to scroll reading age for a bunch of f2p accounts and teleported to the towns that I wouldn't otherwise be able to get them into. There was interest, and an e-mail, and then nothing.

As an added bonus.. looking back at the logs now, I see this:

Brghun, this is your SECOND official warning, that Scripting Abuse is against GemStone IV policy. Further warnings could result in your being temporarily locked out of the game.

Second warning.. who knew? How the hell did I recover from the first one and continue scanning shops without reading policy?

[Tillmen]

How did you get a scripting violation for just casting spells on yourself?

GMs be crazy.

While I'm under the impression that casting spells on yourself while afk is allowed by policy, there's no real way to be confident about what is or isn't against policy. I think this falls under "being disruptive" though.

[Tillmen]

Oh shit.. more reading!

SEND[Elysani] You have been running a script that caused you to gain some mechanical benefit, while being inattentive to the game environment. You were tested multiple times and failed to respond to any of these tests. You have been issued an official warning for scripting abuse, cleared of your field experience and given an experience inefficiency penalty in line with those described in POLICY 18. Type LOOK for instructions regarding how to leave this room. Feel free to ASSIST if you have any questions.

This is in direct contradiction to what I believed policy to be, and what I thought the reason for the violation was.

[Soulance]

That sucks Tillmen. Thanks for trying to do us another favor. I remember awhile ago you had offered to work with them to keep the PS updated and Wyrom asked you for an email or something like that. So they never followed through? Doesn't sound much like they'd have to do anything other than give you the go-ahead.

[Tgo01]

I still can't believe you got a warning (two!) for just casting 401 on yourself 4 times a minute.

The GMs are acting like they are the Starsky and Hutch of GS.

[Soulance]

SEND[Elysani] You have been running a script that caused you to gain some mechanical benefit, while being inattentive to the game environment.

This is in direct contradiction to what I believed policy to be, and what I thought the reason for the violation was.
Sounds like just a followup on the check, but I'm not sure what kind of "mechanical benefit" you gained...

[Tgo01]

While I'm under the impression that casting spells on yourself while afk is allowed by policy, there's no real way to be confident about what is or isn't against policy. I think this falls under "being disruptive" though.


Oh shit.. more reading!

SEND[Elysani] You have been running a script that caused you to gain some mechanical benefit, while being inattentive to the game environment. You were tested multiple times and failed to respond to any of these tests. You have been issued an official warning for scripting abuse, cleared of your field experience and given an experience inefficiency penalty in line with those described in POLICY 18. Type LOOK for instructions regarding how to leave this room. Feel free to ASSIST if you have any questions.

This is in direct contradiction to what I believed policy to be, and what I thought the reason for the violation was.

That will teach you to give them the benefit of the doubt :p

So now we have to be paying attention to spell ourselves up? Like literally the most boring thing in the entire game?

[Taernath]

Sounds like just a followup on the check, but I'm not sure what kind of "mechanical benefit" you gained...

+5 DS? I could see that being their weird reasoning.

GM: 'Hmmm... he needs to gaining some kind of benefit for me to give him a warning... let's see, let's see... a spell confers benefits... and he's casting it AFK... He's a spellbot for HIMSELF! Bingo!'

[Silvean]

They can massage the policies 100 different ways to make such and such a violation. At the end of the day, GMs have discretion over it.

I'd hope they would be reasonable enough to talk this one out but they can get bureaucratic about special cases.

I dunno. Who cares. I had waffle fries for lunch and they were much more fun than regular fries.

[Soulance]

They can massage the policies 100 different ways to make such and such a violation. At the end of the day, GMs have discretion over it.
That was really the whole problem I had with their Policy 8 or 18 or 268 changes they made this year. Basically it gave them any reason to pull you over and give you a ticket. I get it that it could have been bothering others though, as that was the initial post here. Probably just a cut and paste warning from their last issue with someone.

[Methais]

Oh shit.. more reading!

SEND[Elysani] You have been running a script that caused you to gain some mechanical benefit, while being inattentive to the game environment. You were tested multiple times and failed to respond to any of these tests. You have been issued an official warning for scripting abuse, cleared of your field experience and given an experience inefficiency penalty in line with those described in POLICY 18. Type LOOK for instructions regarding how to leave this room. Feel free to ASSIST if you have any questions.

This is in direct contradiction to what I believed policy to be, and what I thought the reason for the violation was.

This will most likely get overturned if you talk to feedback (and Wyrom) directly. Especially considering who you are and what you were doing (or attempting), and even moreso if the "benefit" in question is a whopping +5 DS.

I don't think that even qualifies. I haven't read the policy in a while but I'm pretty sure the benefits have to be things like exp/silvers/ranks, etc. Even if spells did count, how are you benefitting from it if you're never leaving town to get any use out of it?

Otherwise if this stands, any GM with a hardon could bust someone just for going to take a piss while using ;waggle if they wanted to be a dick.

[Taernath]

I don't think that even qualifies. I haven't read the policy in a while but I'm pretty sure the benefits have to be things like exp/silvers/ranks, etc. Even if spells did count, how are you benefitting from it if you're never leaving town to get any use out of it?

Nah, the reality is that, like Soulance and Silvean mentioned, it is up to nebulous GM Discretion™. Even scripting for 'long periods of time' with no mechanical benefit is verboten. Remember this from the website?


each instance of long term scripting will be judged independently. However, any scripting activity that lasts over 10 minutes will be considered long-term scripting. Also, spending 25% or more of your time online scripting will be considered excessive.

[Methais]

Nah, the reality is that, like Soulance and Silvean mentioned, it is up to nebulous GM Discretion™. Even scripting for 'long periods of time' with no mechanical benefit is verboten. Remember this from the website?

I still think it would get overturned if he went to Wyrom and explained shit.

As stupid as Simu is, I'm sure even they know running off and/or locking out Tillmen is the last thing this game needs. GS would probably already be dead if it weren't for Lich.

Plus, Wyrom and feedback are typically much more reasonable to deal with than most GMs and have the ability to not see everything as black and white.

[Soulance]

I still think it would get overturned if he went to Wyrom and explained shit.

As stupid as Simu is, I'm sure even they know running off and/or locking out Tillmen is the last thing this game needs. GS would probably already be dead if it weren't for Lich.

Plus, Wyrom and feedback are typically much more reasonable to deal with than most GMs and have the ability to not see everything as black and white.
Agreed. Tough that it is even an issue as that character should be flagged as being allowed as long as there is no other benefit.

You should have at least had him running around asking people how their hunt is going or doing that bowling thing Tgo had setup for awhile.

[Methais]

What is this bowling you speak of?

[Soulance]

What is this bowling you speak of?
I thought I remember Tgo having one of his crew running around yelling "Steeeeeeeriiikkkeeee!" or something to that effect when he entered a room to make it seem like they weren't bots. He had a whole bunch of things they'd say.

[elcidcannon]

dang. tough luck there.

I definitely remember the conversation about getting Tillmen a character in order to keep the playershops updated. It'd make me doubly frown if they didn't rescind one (or both) warnings after getting the explanation.

[Tgo01]

I thought I remember Tgo having one of his crew running around yelling "Steeeeeeeriiikkkeeee!" or something to that effect when he entered a room to make it seem like they weren't bots. He had a whole bunch of things they'd say.

I didn't do the strike thing but my characters used to do a whole bunch of other interactions with people when entering a room.

People complained about it though and no matter how many tweaks I made to the script to accommodate peoples' complaints they still complained so I scraped that script. My characters still interact with others automatically if the other person initiates the interaction though.

[Hoodtralfeck]

just have that person killed , problem solved . and dont tell me it cant happen 0. there is always a way to kill someone in a sancted area

[Soulance]

People complain.
This right here is the overall problem. That's the part that needs to be fixed, not your scripts. :unfair:

[Hoodtralfeck]

what is in the reflection of those glasses ? looks like maybe a snow cover mountain or a melting glacier into the ocean . either way it looks like snow/ice and water or rock . so what is it?

[Enuch]

What it all boils down to is I was Judas and I reported Jesus. Hopefully Jesus will forgive me.

[Taernath]

What it all boils down to is I was Judas and I reported Jesus. Hopefully Jesus will forgive me.

"Woe to that character by whom the Son of Lich is betrayed! It would have been better for that character if he had not been rolled." - Tillmen 27:5

[Donquix]

I'm about to go post on the officials about it. I made a post too long ago to remember about getting a GM assisted leveled-up to scroll reading age for a bunch of f2p accounts and teleported to the towns that I wouldn't otherwise be able to get them into. There was interest, and an e-mail, and then nothing.

I remember that post, Lame :|

Scripting violation for "bothering to do things for free we should be doing for our players that pay us"

[Tillmen]

Update: Elysani showed up and removed the warning a few seconds before I was about to post on the officials.

[Astray]

"Woe to that character by whom the Son of Lich is betrayed! It would have been better for that character if he had not been rolled." - Tillmen 3:16

Minor fix for you.

[Allereli]

Update: Elysani showed up and removed the warning a few seconds before I was about to post on the officials.

Bravo

[Taernath]

Minor fix for you.

My spirit lore is a bit out of date.


Update: Elysani showed up and removed the warning a few seconds before I was about to post on the officials.

She's onto us! Nice.

[Methais]

Update: Elysani showed up and removed the warning a few seconds before I was about to post on the officials.


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[caelric]

They can massage the policies 100 different ways to make such and such a violation. At the end of the day, GMs have discretion over it.

I'd hope they would be reasonable enough to talk this one out but they can get bureaucratic about special cases.

I dunno. Who cares. I had waffle fries for lunch and they were much more fun than regular fries.

Given that Tillmen is the creator of Lich, he is probably considered a personal assistant to the devil by some GMs

[Soulance]

Update: Elysani showed up and removed the warning a few seconds before I was about to post on the officials.
They definitely read the PC.

[Viekn]

They definitely read the PC.

And unless someone cross-posted a lot of what was discussed regarding the general wizard nerf discussion on this board, a lot of what Wyrom said in paragraph 7 of his State of Elanthia post was taken directly from that. At this point, I'd say they read it just about as much as we do.

[Donquix]

It'd be colossally stupid, even by simu standards, to not read these boards :P

Glad they fixed it up. Hope this reopens the possibility powerleveling a few f2p characters for you again.

[Candor]

Given that Tillmen is the creator of Lich, he is probably considered a personal assistant to the devil by some GMs

...and even a few players.

[Kalishar]

...and even a few players.

Uh-oh, a thread that mentioned the word Lich, Candor's gotta pipe in that he hates it.

[Candor]

Uh-oh, a thread that mentioned the word Lich, Candor's gotta pipe in that he hates it.

...and your point is?...

You keep telling yourself I am the only player who thinks Lich was bad overall for GSIV. Yeah...keep telling yourself that...

[Warriorbird]

...and your point is?...

You keep telling yourself I am the only player who thinks Lich was bad overall for GSIV. Yeah...keep telling yourself that...

I think it's more in line with it being limited to you thinking that it's a big contributor to subscription reductions. Lots of people lament the effect on RP. I think if Simu'd gotten off their asses and actually integrated Lich into a mobile experience there might well be more subscriptions. Simu is about as behind the times on online gaming ideas as the Supreme Court is on America though.

[caelric]

While there are certainly folks who have quit due to Lich (although probably in the single digits), more people have stayed around due to Lich, and would quit if Lich was no loinger allowed.

[Donquix]

If you want the gemstone experience without lich, go play modus.

oh wait.

[Methais]

...and your point is?...

You keep telling yourself I am the only player who thinks Lich was bad overall for GSIV. Yeah...keep telling yourself that...

What makes lich bad overall for GS?

By "bad overall for GSIV" you know that includes things like implying it's caused more people to leave than it has caused people to stay/return, right?

Or did you just mean bad overall for you?

[Kalishar]

Back in my day, typing out all your commands by hand is what everyone did! It builds character! We also used to catch tapeworms so we could eat whatever we wanted and stay skinny! And cocaine was in everything, cause it's goddamn wonder drug, that's why! Life was so much better back then.

Yeah, makes sense.