State Election Results by IQ

[xtc]

As published in the Economist

http://img124.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img124&image=us-elections.jpg




[Edited on 11-11-2004 by xtc]

[Wezas]

I let the Jesusland repost go by, because reposts happen.

The IQ link, however was posted the day after the election, in this thread:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=10687&page=14

[Ravenstorm]

They later issued a retraction claiming they couldn't verify that information.

Raven

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
They later issued a retraction claiming they couldn't verify that information.

Raven

more accurate picture: http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm

[xtc]

sorry didn't know it had been posted already

[Ravenstorm]

In a similar vein, though admittedly mildly derailing, it seems that the lowest divorce rates in the country are found in the immoral Northeast (with MA, which allows same-sex marriage, having the very lowest) while the Bible Belt has the highest. (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/) What was all that talk about family values again?

Raven

[landon]

IQ = NOTHING, that was proven years ago.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
In a similar vein, though admittedly mildly derailing, it seems that the lowest divorce rates in the country are found in the immoral Northeast (with MA, which allows same-sex marriage, having the very lowest) while the Bible Belt has the highest. (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/) What was all that talk about family values again?

Raven

The Springer guests screw up the bell curve in the south ;)

[xtc]

Originally posted by landon
IQ = NOTHING, that was proven years ago.

They still give IQ tests, to get into Mensa and The Prometheus society.

[Tsa`ah]

In life, application of intelligence matters. Not a MENSA card.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
In life, application of intelligence matters. Not a MENSA card.

My point was that IQ testing is still an acceptable standard for measuring intellignce. Many firm who are looking for real life application of intelligence use some form of IQ testing, even if they don't call it.

[Tsa`ah]

No, your point was about a qualifier to clubs.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
No, your point was about a qualifier to clubs.

No you misunderstood it.

[Tsa`ah]

You were very clear. Misunderstanding did not take place.

You attempted to communicate a point without elaborating or even stating your point.

[landon]

I'd love the name of a firm that would be so stupid to higher its members based upon IQ alone. Einstein as a stock broker? I don't buy it.

:shrug:

[Drew]

As an aside, anyone ever heard of "the giga society"? They are supposed to only accept one in a billion people, although I think they have 7 members now.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You were very clear. Misunderstanding did not take place.

You attempted to communicate a point without elaborating or even stating your point.

no u misunderstood

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by xtc
They still give IQ tests, to get into Mensa and The Prometheus society.

What's there to misunderstand? What does this mean then other than to get into those clubs you need to take an IQ test? :?:

[xtc]

Originally posted by landon
I'd love the name of a firm that would be so stupid to higher its members based upon IQ alone. Einstein as a stock broker? I don't buy it.

:shrug:

Not on IQ alone but many firms use it as a tool.

GE
GM
CIBC Mellon
Royal Bank
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce
HSBC

to name a few

[xtc]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by xtc
They still give IQ tests, to get into Mensa and The Prometheus society.

What's there to misunderstand? What does this mean then other than to get into those clubs you need to take an IQ test? :?:

Thus it is still an acceptable standard for measuring intelligence

[Mistomeer]

IQ is meaningless.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
IQ is meaningless.

and you base this on? Meanlingless how, in that it isn't an indicator of professional success?

[CrystalTears]

Nope, because you need more than intelligence to excel in anything. We all know how one person can claim his intelligence is of a great amount and still be the biggest idiot in the world.

[Keller]

and now we know why the commie pinkos want to spend so much money on education ....

[xtc]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Nope, because you need more than intelligence to excel in anything. We all know how one person can claim his intelligence is of a great amount and still be the biggest idiot in the world.

True but I don't think you can disregard intelligence. You can have a great work ethic and all the ambition in the world, but if you lack the brains there are certain jobs you just can't obtain.

[CrystalTears]

I'd take an ambitious person with great work ethics with mediocre intelligence over a really intelligent cocky person any day, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[xtc]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'd take an ambitious person with great work ethics with mediocre intelligence over a really intelligent cocky person any day, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Depending on the job I would agree with you. However I would rather have a cocky intelligent person designing nuclear reactors, than a person with a great attitude and mediocre intelligence.

[DeV]

Illinois #9 on the list... sounds about right to me.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
They later issued a retraction claiming they couldn't verify that information.

Raven

more accurate picture: http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm

The lowest IQ's on that table were also clearly Bush states. I guess it is official the states with the lowest average IQ voted for Bush. :)

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by xtc
My point was that IQ testing is still an acceptable standard for measuring intellignce.However, the test must still be applied to measure anything.
Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'd take an ambitious person with great work ethics with mediocre intelligence over a really intelligent cocky person any day, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. What if I'm cocky, but I also have a great work ethic? I guess what I'm saying is HIRE ME 4 SUMMER PLZ.

What makes this dumb: the dumbest 49% of, say, Ohio could've voted for Kerry (this is in no way meant as a slight against people from Ohio who voted for Kerry, it's a hypothetical) while the smartest 50% voted for Bush. It's not as if everyone in any state voted for any candidate, you know?

[i remember halloween]

this doesn't really prove anything... so a state with an average iq 2 points higher tends to vote for kerry? hows this.... dc, the third lowest 'state' was by far the biggest landslide... 90% kerry

[Delaroz]

IQ tests are vastly overrated. I can say this why? My major was Psychology and I spent a semester in Psychological Testing class looking at the merits and flaws of various testing methods. Truth is, tests always show a bias. I'm one of those crazy people that feels testing should be done away with as we know it and grading and the like should be based on what the instructor sees and gets from the student. Of course, that has it's bias as well... Anywho, for what it's worth, I believe you'll see a correlation between poverty levls and states that voted for Bush as well... Don't see anyone touting that one do we?

[Adhara]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'd take an ambitious person with great work ethics with mediocre intelligence over a really intelligent cocky person any day, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

For certain positions that option is not available. You HAVE to have a person with a certain intelligence. You still end up with a mix of jackasses with nasty attitudes and friendly team work oriented people but they're all very intelligent.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Delaroz
IQ tests are vastly overrated. I can say this why? My major was Psychology and I spent a semester in Psychological Testing class looking at the merits and flaws of various testing methods. Truth is, tests always show a bias. I'm one of those crazy people that feels testing should be done away with as we know it and grading and the like should be based on what the instructor sees and gets from the student. Of course, that has it's bias as well... Anywho, for what it's worth, I believe you'll see a correlation between poverty levls and states that voted for Bush as well... Don't see anyone touting that one do we?

Oh no a psych major lol

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
Oh no a psych major lol

Oh no ... a blathering idiot who can't back up statements or make sense.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc
Oh no a psych major lol

Oh no ... a blathering idiot who can't back up statements or make sense.


I must have really gotten under your skin at some point. Tsa'ah, why don't you run along and bother someone else. You remind me a yappy dog always making senseless noise.

[Edited on 11-12-2004 by xtc]

[Tsa`ah]

You don't rate high enough to get under my skin. It takes someone with a bit more chutzpa than you to do that.

Characteristics do it. Being full of shit, ignorant beyond measure, and self delusional tend to do it.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You don't rate high enough to get under my skin. It takes someone with a bit more chutzpa than you to do that.

Characteristics do it. Being full of shit, ignorant beyond measure, and self delusional tend to do it.

You must really bother yourself then.

You have failed to counter anything I posted with an intelligent response so you have resorted to petty insults. That is just sad.

[CrystalTears]

Not sure how relevant this is to the topic, but close enough to not want to create a whole new thread for it. If it should be, let me know and I'll do just that.

War Between the States - Snopes site (http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/civilwar.asp)

I found it rather interesting. :)

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
You must really bother yourself then.

You have failed to counter anything I posted with an intelligent response so you have resorted to petty insults. That is just sad.

I live with myself on a daily basis without a problem.

You however are some sort if ill educated fuck stain, bereft of basic comprehension skills who has not once in any debate backed up a single stance with one fact that I'm aware of. Coupled with the load of bull shit you pile on ... masters degree, dual citizenship ... and the rest of the spewage issued from that aptly named shitter that rests atop your neck.

You are a joke with an internet connection whose only desire is for acceptance and attention.

Attention you're good at.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc
You must really bother yourself then.

You have failed to counter anything I posted with an intelligent response so you have resorted to petty insults. That is just sad.

I live with myself on a daily basis without a problem.

You however are some sort if ill educated fuck stain, bereft of basic comprehension skills who has not once in any debate backed up a single stance with one fact that I'm aware of. Coupled with the load of bull shit you pile on ... masters degree, dual citizenship ... and the rest of the spewage issued from that aptly named shitter that rests atop your neck.

You are a joke with an internet connection whose only desire is for acceptance and attention.

Attention you're good at.

Tsa'ah your failure to acknowledge the numerous times I have proven my point on these boards doesn’t make it so. As I have stated before you have a problem accepting the obvious.

You must really be insecure to question my education and dual citizenship. There are millions of people who have a Master's degree and I am sure many who hold dual citizenship.

I couldn’t care less about what people in cyber space think of me. You follow my posts around like a lost puppy. You’re always looking for a fight with me. Whatever burr you have up your ass get over it. I would prefer if you paid me no attention at all.

FYI Spewage isn’t a word.



[Edited on 11-12-2004 by xtc]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Being full of shit, ignorant beyond measure, and self delusional tend to do it. :(

I said I was sorry, didn't I? (No.)

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
Tsa'ah your failure to acknowledge the numerous times I have proven my point on these boards doesn’t make it so. As I have stated before you have a problem accepting the obvious.

You must really be insecure to question my education and dual citizenship. There are millions of people who have a Master's degree and I am sure many who hold dual citizenship.

I couldn’t care less about what people in cyber space think of me. You follow my posts around like a lost puppy. You’re always looking for a fight with me. Whatever burr you have up your ass get over it. I would prefer if you paid me no attention at all.

FYI Spewage isn’t a word.

Wow, you were right on the reply within 2 minutes after I responded ... yet I'm the lost puppy. What's sad is that I read the board for a good 10 minutes while you remained in reply mode and this is the best you could come up with.

The only point you have ever proven is that you fill the role of village idiot in an adequate capacity.

This isn't GS, warn interact has no meaning here. You have to take what you dish out.

Spewage .... artistic license.

[Keller]

lol, Tsa'ah, with every offense intended, you're so repugnant it's incapable of being totally described with words. He responded with a semi-humorous statement about her major and thinking she knows everything from her psych major (which just about everyone has these days). Then you continue the confrontational attitude you've adopted in every other thread you've followed xtc to. Stop looking for a fight, you're reminding my of Warclaidhm.

Oh ya, and if you could point out certain GMs on power-trips again -- that would be moderately funny and give me a good 2 minutes of seratonin high from laughing at you.

[Back]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Not sure how relevant this is to the topic, but close enough to not want to create a whole new thread for it. If it should be, let me know and I'll do just that.

War Between the States - Snopes site (http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/civilwar.asp)

I found it rather interesting. :)

I’m not a frequent visitor to Snopes, but thanks for that link. Oddly, I live right up the street from Harper’s Ferry on the Civil War map. Now I have to Google that and see what the importance of it is. :) Also, it agrees with my theory its just more about population density than anything else. Why is that? Hell if I know. Being a city boy myself, I can say I would have a hard time living without the diversity of city life. And by diversity I mean everything from people to goods and services.

Its also got me thinking of my lineage and where my folks came from AND if that has anything to do with how we view politics and the world in general.

This whole IQ thing is bull, by the way. I remember in high school psychology that IQ tests ARE geared towards one group of people
or another.

[GSTamral]

The mean for an IQ test is 100 with a standard deviation of 15. No state, no country, or even a city could ever have an average IQ anywhere other than a median range 97-103.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Keller
lol, Tsa'ah, with every offense intended, you're so repugnant it's incapable of being totally described with words. He responded with a semi-humorous statement about her major and thinking she knows everything from her psych major (which just about everyone has these days). Then you continue the confrontational attitude you've adopted in every other thread you've followed xtc to. Stop looking for a fight, you're reminding my of Warclaidhm.

Oh ya, and if you could point out certain GMs on power-trips again -- that would be moderately funny and give me a good 2 minutes of seratonin high from laughing at you.

:jerkit:

[Keller]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Keller
lol, Tsa'ah, with every offense intended, you're so repugnant it's incapable of being totally described with words. He responded with a semi-humorous statement about her major and thinking she knows everything from her psych major (which just about everyone has these days). Then you continue the confrontational attitude you've adopted in every other thread you've followed xtc to. Stop looking for a fight, you're reminding my of Warclaidhm.

Oh ya, and if you could point out certain GMs on power-trips again -- that would be moderately funny and give me a good 2 minutes of seratonin high from laughing at you.

:jerkit:

:lol2:

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc
Tsa'ah your failure to acknowledge the numerous times I have proven my point on these boards doesn’t make it so. As I have stated before you have a problem accepting the obvious.

You must really be insecure to question my education and dual citizenship. There are millions of people who have a Master's degree and I am sure many who hold dual citizenship.

I couldn’t care less about what people in cyber space think of me. You follow my posts around like a lost puppy. You’re always looking for a fight with me. Whatever burr you have up your ass get over it. I would prefer if you paid me no attention at all.

FYI Spewage isn’t a word.

Wow, you were right on the reply within 2 minutes after I responded ... yet I'm the lost puppy. What's sad is that I read the board for a good 10 minutes while you remained in reply mode and this is the best you could come up with.

The only point you have ever proven is that you fill the role of village idiot in an adequate capacity.

This isn't GS, warn interact has no meaning here. You have to take what you dish out.

Spewage .... artistic license.

You track my posts with that intensity of timing the minutes, yet you aren’t following me like a lost puppy? I took a phone call after I started to reply to your ignorant post.

I have proved my point numerous times. I quoted chapter and verse of election law and provided links. I site the Irgun, Moshe Dayan, Menachem Begin, when I talk about Zionist terrorism. I mention the McMahon Agreement when I talk of Arab right to the land. You are really fucking stupid to argue the obvious or you just chose to stick your head up your ass. The more you cackle the dumber you look. Why don’t crawl in a hole or at least stop your cyber stalking you waste of human DNA.

[Edited on 11-15-2004 by xtc]