New Sorcerer

[Tenzle]

Alright, after the sweet sweet HSN updates I've started a new sorcerer and I'm about to exit my first 30 days.

I'm eschewing spell aiming for a boosted cs, but I'm wondering if It would be worth it to lose a few spell ranks to 1x a lore, and if so what lore. I've gone through most of the new updates but I cant seem to figure out which lore would make the most sense to pick up, any advice would be appreciated.

[caelric]

If you pick up any lore, it would be necro lore; you need to figure out your hunting style, and determine what spells you are using, and what are the lore cutoffs for necro lore to help those spells. Really, though, spell ranks in sorc base and the 400 (once you get 425) are what you want, in order to maximize your CS

[Tenzle]

Alright, one day left and I think I've got a plan worked out but I'd like a double check on my stats skills if the older folks here could give it a once over.




Strength (STR): 90
Constitution (CON): 80
Dexterity (DEX): 68
Agility (AGI): 20
Discipline (DIS): 68
Aura (AUR): 90
Logic (LOG): 50
Intuition (INT): 62
Wisdom (WIS): 80
Influence (INF): 52


(at level 16), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 20 4 4
Physical Fitness...................| 78 17 17
Arcane Symbols.....................| 78 17 17
Magic Item Use.....................| 78 17 17
Harness Power......................| 78 17 17
Elemental Mana Control.............| 78 17 17
Spirit Mana Control................| 78 17 17
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 78 17 17
Perception.........................| 35 7 7
Climbing...........................| 50 10 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 6 6

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 3 3

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 36 36

[caelric]

You should probably bump up your minor elemental to get 414. Once you hit 25, you will definitely want your minor elemental to be at 425, as well. Minor spirit can wait, 3 is a good spot for it, although you might consider 7 ranks, for deep blues.

Also, your skills can be 2 over your level, not one over.

[Tenzle]

Picking this chap back up after retiring him for a while, just about level 20 so i wanted a quick checkin on stats/skills before I set everything in stone:






Info Start:

Strength (STR): 94
Constitution (CON): 82
Dexterity (DEX): 68
Agility (AGI): 77
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 69
Logic (LOG): 50
Intuition (INT): 62
Wisdom (WIS): 68
Influence (INF): 20


(at level 19), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 20 4
Physical Fitness...................| 90 20
Arcane Symbols.....................| 90 20
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Harness Power......................| 90 20
Elemental Mana Control.............| 90 20
Spirit Mana Control................| 90 20
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 90 20
Perception.........................| 45 9
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 9

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 3

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 40





Everything but Inf caps at 100, my CS will suck a little bit and I wont quite have as much spirit as I like, but is there anything big that I might want to change before I hit 20?

[nocturnix]

Alright, after the sweet sweet HSN updates I've started a new sorcerer and I'm about to exit my first 30 days.

What HSN updates do you speak of? I've been away for 2 years.

[Tenzle]

What HSN updates do you speak of? I've been away for 2 years.

They just made a bunch of changes to spells / lores etc Last summer

[Allereli]

Last summer

in 2015

[Tenzle]

in 2015

Man, time really runs together.... I could have sworn it was last summer.

[Maerit]

Swap sorcerer spell ranks, be 1x in MnE until you get 425. The CS boost from 425 will be more than you gain from the spell ranks in sorcerer spells. Once you have 425, you can redouble your efforts for sorcerer spells.

Being Level +21 isn't necessary early on as you aren't relying on high mana spells yet, and you're going to ward pretty reliably even if you're just 1x trained in sorcerer spells until you start fighting spiritual casters in their 30s.

2.5x spells until you have TPs to 3x. 1x MnE until 425, and 1.5x in Sorcerer. By 25, you should be able to start to 3x in spells. I like getting 430 early, but that's up to you. My preference, after getting 425, is to finish up to 430 then 1x in spirit until 120, and put the rest into sorcerer until level +21 ranks have been achieved. After that it's pretty clear what to train.

Drop 1 rank in HP, you don't need to spend those TPs for 1 mana (over-training in HP beyond your current level will net just 1 mana).

[Tenzle]

Swap sorcerer spell ranks, be 1x in MnE until you get 425. The CS boost from 425 will be more than you gain from the spell ranks in sorcerer spells. Once you have 425, you can redouble your efforts for sorcerer spells.

Being Level +21 isn't necessary early on as you aren't relying on high mana spells yet, and you're going to ward pretty reliably even if you're just 1x trained in sorcerer spells until you start fighting spiritual casters in their 30s.

2.5x spells until you have TPs to 3x. 1x MnE until 425, and 1.5x in Sorcerer. By 25, you should be able to start to 3x in spells. I like getting 430 early, but that's up to you. My preference, after getting 425, is to finish up to 430 then 1x in spirit until 120, and put the rest into sorcerer until level +21 ranks have been achieved. After that it's pretty clear what to train.

Drop 1 rank in HP, you don't need to spend those TPs for 1 mana (over-training in HP beyond your current level will net just 1 mana).

Thanks! Any recommendation on spell aim / lores or is 1x necro just fine?

[Malisai]

Thanks! Any recommendation on spell aim / lores or is 1x necro just fine?

I prefer 2x spell aim for 708 and FI. However, you dont really need that until later. Blowing off a right arm stops most attacks. Taking care of the right leg stops most of the other attacks.

necro lore is fine, though most sorcerers get just enough demon lore to use 712 (forgot how much that is).

[Maerit]

I prefer 2x spell aim for 708 and FI. However, you dont really need that until later. Blowing off a right arm stops most attacks. Taking care of the right leg stops most of the other attacks.

necro lore is fine, though most sorcerers get just enough demon lore to use 712 (forgot how much that is).

The amount of demon lore to use 712 is zero.

1x in necro lore is fine. 709 can replace 708 plus it handles swarms. Open 703 to block casters in the room. Spell Aim is great eventually, but entirely subject to what you enjoy doing as a sorcerer. If you want to bolt, use wizard wands, limb disrupt, or focus implosions, then grab spell aim. It simply is not required to be proficient as a sorcerer.

[Tenzle]

The amount of demon lore to use 712 is zero.

1x in necro lore is fine. 709 can replace 708 plus it handles swarms. Open 703 to block casters in the room. Spell Aim is great eventually, but entirely subject to what you enjoy doing as a sorcerer. If you want to bolt, use wizard wands, limb disrupt, or focus implosions, then grab spell aim. It simply is not required to be proficient as a sorcerer.

Cool, thanks!


Any suggestions on what / where to hunt at 20 -- I've got 116 CS but most things seem to have about ~60 TD which makes warding tough.

[drauz]

Cool, thanks!


Any suggestions on what / where to hunt at 20 -- I've got 116 CS but most things seem to have about ~60 TD which makes warding tough.

Have this doc saved from a while ago.

the first hunting grounds listed in each train was may favorite hunting ground at that train...

0-4 Landing GY (skeletons, ghouls ect) or Vaalor Cemetary (same stuff)

5-8 Landing GY (mummies) Vaalor Plains of Bone (dirges and golems)

9-12 Landing GY (wraiths) Vaalor Plains of Bone (spectres and wolfshades)

13-18 Landing Temple of Love (vereri) Vaalor Plains of bone (arch wights, ghoul masters)

19-23 Vaalor lower weald (spirits, zombies, and niirsha) Landing spider temple (acolytes and priests) or

GY (moaners)


24-28 Vaalor upper weald (tree spirits, monks) Landing spider temple (same but add arachnids)

29-35 Zul Logoth Troll graveyard (undead trolls... crazy loot) Solhaven (Shan) Landing GY ledge (pookas)

Illistim Wraithenmist (lords, mara)


36-40 Trail to Solhaven, Castle Varunar (phantasmas) Landing Misty chamber (Sheru monks, initiates,

Vruul...ect) Landing GY Ledge (steeds and mares) Illistim Gyldemar (trali) RR (hags, wights, trolls)


41-48 Vaalor Bog (spectres, shades, wights... and pretty decent loot) Teras (banshees) Illistim (Kiramon)

49-55 Landing Thanatoph (stone trolls and stone giants... great loot) Teras (Wind roltons) Illistim glacier

(madrinol, slush, morph) Solhaven (eidolons)


56-63 Illistim treetops (Black forest ogres and vipers... no boars there) Teras (Wind roltons) Landing

Darkstone (Harbingers and nightmare steeds) or Stronghold (Illoke... don't go hear too soon, maybe start

at 62)

64-66 Illistim temple wyneb (supplicants, heirophants, and dogmastists) Rift plane one (at 66 trains,

Csetairi, Lunatics, and Naisirc) Teras eye of V'tull (fire mages, sprites, tsarks) Landing Stronghold (Illoke)


67-72 Illstim mahgoras tower (shrickhen, moulis, and golares... so easy and awsome loot) Teras Eye of

V'tull (mages, sprites) Rift plane one (Csetairi, Lunatics, and Naisirc)


73-77 Illistim OTF Ducts (gremlocks, taints, beings) Illistim Mahgoras tower (shrickhen, moulis, and

golares) Rift plane one and two (Caedera, Seraceris... stay away from Vvrael witches!!!!)


...I DO NOT SUGGEST THE BOWELS UNTIL MAYBE 85 OR SO!!!! (but I hunt there anyways, I'm

stubborn)