Yet another stat check thread

[Arkanax]

So my 30 is about to be up and I am wondering if I am making any grave mistakes with this stat placement for my dark elf Sorcerer.

65 Strength (STR) 77 Aura (AUR)
63 Constitution (CON) 80 Logic (LOG)
50 Dexterity (DEX) 80 Intuition (INT)
65 Agility (AGI) 80 Wisdom (WIS)
80 Discipline (DIS) 20 Influence (INF)

Any major problems? I'm placing them more towards easy leveling than perfect stats at cap because who knows if I'll even make it to cap, might as well have decent stats now.

[Maerit]

You will greatly regret keeping low STR/CON. You'll always be encumbered, and will constantly be at risk of failing climbing/swimming checks and being more susceptible to maneuver attacks (the bane of sorcerer existence).

Always try to put stats that grow slowly higher, and those which grow super fast can be dropped a bit. The DIS stat is a bit too high. INT seems a bit high also. AUR/WIS up to your judgment. They will cap out extremely fast, but if you plan to spend the ~$150.00 for a fixstats before cap, you might not mind having the CS boost early in your career.

[Arkanax]

Hmm, I didn't realize that it'd be more prone to maneuver attacks. Also is kind of sucking going around encumbered all the time already. Time to redo them again I suppose.

[Androidpk]

Hmm, I didn't realize that it'd be more prone to maneuver attacks. Also is kind of sucking going around encumbered all the time already. Time to redo them again I suppose.

I'll post my stats so you can laugh.

[Arkanax]

Ok here are my new and hopefully improved stats!

Dark Elf Sorcerer
89 Strength (STR) 51 Aura (AUR)
87 Constitution (CON) 62 Logic (LOG)
62 Dexterity (DEX) 74 Intuition (INT)
75 Agility (AGI) 71 Wisdom (WIS)
68 Discipline (DIS) 21 Influence (INF)

Thoughts?

[Arkanax]

Lost 9 points of CS but at least I'm not encumbered all the time just from wearing my regular gear and no loot!

[Tgo01]

How your stats gonna look like at 100 with that setup?

[Arkanax]

How your stats gonna look like at 100 with that setup?

According to https://web.archive.org/web/20110526084506/http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatCruncher.html
Everything will be 100 except IF which will be 74 running it for 999999 iterations with 1:1 weighting to phys and mental tp.

[Tgo01]

I guess I can approve.

[Arkanax]

I guess I can approve.

If you see a potential flaw please do opine.

[Tgo01]

If you see a potential flaw please do opine.

Pretty sure INF is the least important stat to a sorc so it looks good to me.

Can INF be any higher at cap without sacrificing a 100 in something else?

[Arkanax]

How about this for skills?

Level 16 Dark Elf Sorcerer
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 82 18
Arcane Symbols.....................| 82 18
Magic Item Use.....................| 82 18
Harness Power......................| 132 36
Elemental Mana Control.............| 82 18
Spirit Mana Control................| 82 18
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 5 1
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 82 18
Perception.........................| 25 5
Climbing...........................| 25 5
Swimming...........................| 25 5

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 7

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 18
Training Points: 2 Phy 0 Mnt (504 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Tgo01]

Pretty sure sorcs wear full leather so you only need 4 ranks of armor use for that, unless you like spell hindrance of course :O

Where do you plan on hunting? You might be able to get away with no swimming ranks for a while yet depending on where you plan to hunt.

I'm a firm believer in 1x harness power until cap but some people disagree with this approach so it's up to you on that :p

I'm also a firm believer in 1xing perception because it's pretty cheap and helps with some critter attacks.

[Arkanax]

I was going to pack off to RR after level 20, currently reside in the landing. Will I need much swimming for that area? 1x harness power? Won't I be totally mana starved a lot of the time?

[Arkanax]

About the armor, I don't even know if the added protection going from full to double is worth the 2% hindrance. I mean if something is going to hit me using leathers I'm probably going to get hurt badly whether it is double or full either way if the endroll is high enough huh?

[Arkanax]

Pretty sure INF is the least important stat to a sorc so it looks good to me.

Can INF be any higher at cap without sacrificing a 100 in something else?

Hmm not sure, I didn't play at tweaking it much.

[Astray]

About the armor, I don't even know if the added protection going from full to double is worth the 2% hindrance. I mean if something is going to hit me using leathers I'm probably going to get hurt badly whether it is double or full either way if the endroll is high enough huh?

Why are you letting things hit you as a Sorc? You can literally spend your entire life in defensive.

[Arkanax]

RE: Armor it seems like it makes the most sense to just go full leather at my level, especially since I don't have any nice crit padded double leather I want to wear or anything like that.


Why are you letting things hit you as a Sorc? You can literally spend your entire life in defensive.

Also a good point!

[Tgo01]

Spell hindrance sucks penis.

[Arkanax]

Pretty sure INF is the least important stat to a sorc so it looks good to me.

Can INF be any higher at cap without sacrificing a 100 in something else?

So I went back to play with it some more and this was the result:

If I drop wis by 14, aura by 2, str by 1 , and int by 1 I will still get all 100s and bump INF up from min starting stat of 21 to 38, and cap stat from 73 to 79.
Worth doing?

[Arkanax]

Think I'm gonna ditch armor training entirely and just wear some 4x robes. I used the points I took from armor to put into perception swimming and climbing.

Level 16 Dark Elf Sorcerer
your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 82 18
Arcane Symbols.....................| 82 18
Magic Item Use.....................| 82 18
Harness Power......................| 132 36
Elemental Mana Control.............| 82 18
Spirit Mana Control................| 82 18
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 5 1
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 82 18
Perception.........................| 70 15
Climbing...........................| 66 14
Swimming...........................| 70 15

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 7

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 18

Thanks for all the feedback guys, it's been a big help.

[subzero]

Think I'm gonna ditch armor training entirely and just wear some 4x robes. I used the points I took from armor to put into perception swimming and climbing.

I imagine you'll re-think that armor situation once you get leveled more. Also, you most likely won't need any swimming ranks for quite some time, so you could put those points elsewhere.

[Androidpk]

I'm currently in 4x full leather with 0 armor ranks.

[Arkanax]

Upon second thought, how about this? I thought about it and it does seem like going over 1x harness power is a waste on points since it is only 1 mana per over, and I picked up a bunch of SA instead.

Arkanax (at level 16), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 82 18
Arcane Symbols.....................| 82 18
Magic Item Use.....................| 82 18
Spell Aiming.......................| 128 34
Harness Power......................| 78 17
Elemental Mana Control.............| 82 18
Spirit Mana Control................| 82 18
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 5 1
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 82 18
Perception.........................| 82 18
Climbing...........................| 82 18
Swimming...........................| 82 18

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 7

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 18
Training Points: 8 Phy 0 Mnt (380 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Arkanax]

I imagine you'll re-think that armor situation once you get leveled more. Also, you most likely won't need any swimming ranks for quite some time, so you could put those points elsewhere.

I'm going to hunt around RR so I need ~20 ranks of swimming and climbing from what I could tell from the wiki.

[Tgo01]

I thought about it and it does seem like going over 1x harness power is a waste on points since it is only 1 mana per over

Tgo01 is right again.

[drauz]

Isn't it 1x -1 because of level 0.

[Vusit]

My sorc wears doubles. Spell failure isn't a major issue. I 2x harness till around 20 or so then let it drop back to 1x. I hated ending hunt due too running out of mana but with the sacrifice changes and wracking opinions differ.

[Maerit]

I also wear doubles on my sorc, and the 2% hindrance is SUPER FUCKING ANNOYING, but the protection is surprisingly better. It's not for AS attacks or bolts, you don't get hit (often) from those. It's for full coverage protection against maneuvers. Getting rank 1s from boil earth vs rank 2s is awesome. Getting a 5 round stun and rank 3 wound on your head from pyrothag glaes shards to the face is better than instantly being decapitated.

I can't tell you mechanically why I've been seeing those differences, but having the double leathers on has been a world of difference from the full leathers I used to wear.

Then again, I am going to probably down-grade back to fulls once I can find a good set of 7x fusion fulls, but I'll keep a crit padded greathelm and maybe some crit padded leg greaves around for hunting in high maneuver areas.

[Androidpk]

Doubles + fluidity.