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[Astray]

So with all this lore review stuff going down, I grew curious. I'm looking to roll up the one class I've rarely touched in all my time on GS4. What could I expect?

[Tgo01]

So with all this lore review stuff going down, I grew curious. I'm looking to roll up the one class I've rarely touched in all my time on GS4. What could I expect?

Wizards are literally Hitler now. Stay away. Stay far away.

Farther.

[Astray]

Winning Hitler or losing Hitler? That's an important thing to know.

[elcidcannon]

Yeah they really suck now. From what I've heard, you might as well play a monk. Seriously.

...but I'm not a wizard, that's just what I've read.

[Lord Orbstar]

Weave the flows of Essence like you are wearing an Iron Crown. give it a shot.

[Astray]

Re-reading Whirlin's most current guide, it seems that this isn't a good idea at the moment!

[kutter]

My wizard just turned 60, truthfully I have no idea if the changes have been implemented yet, if so, I am not seeing anything different. It is an easy class to play once you get past about 30-35, but it is a bit of a grind before then. Like everyone says swing for your first 30 days then switch to a caster. I like it way more than I ever thought that I would.

[WRoss]

My wizard just turned 60, truthfully I have no idea if the changes have been implemented yet, if so, I am not seeing anything different. It is an easy class to play once you get past about 30-35, but it is a bit of a grind before then. Like everyone says swing for your first 30 days then switch to a caster. I like it way more than I ever thought that I would.

You can cast 1700 at rats until you hit level 4, then 904 at snow spectres, then 906 at arch wights, then 908 at skeletal ice trolls to get to 40. You'll be hard pressed to run out of mana and barely have to leave town. You could probably do this with a giant bolter.

[Astray]

You can cast 1700 at rats until you hit level 4, then 904 at snow spectres, then 906 at arch wights, then 908 at skeletal ice trolls to get to 40. You'll be hard pressed to run out of mana and barely have to leave town. You could probably do this with a giant bolter.

Is that viable with a Sorc, with their respective spells of course? I figure I'll roll two caster characters for the hell of it.

[Taernath]

My wizard has been functioning as a spellup and mana battery for the last 10 years, as soon as the changes are all implemented I'll fixskill and see where I am with the lores I want to have.

[WRoss]

Is that viable with a Sorc, with their respective spells of course? I figure I'll roll two caster characters for the hell of it.

You could probably do 1700, then 705, then 111. Might be a bit more pressed for mana, but it's doable.

[Astray]

You could probably do 1700, then 705, then 111. Might be a bit more pressed for mana, but it's doable.

702 wouldn't work as well as 705?

[Latrinsorm]

*wwwyzzerdd

[Maerit]

702 wouldn't work as well as 705?

I think that was in reference to bolting, but it is also no practical since you need 20 ranks of necro lore to bolt with 705. You can level just fine with 702 and 1700 as a pure Sorc. Bolting and spell aim optional.

[Astray]

I think that was in reference to bolting, but it is also no practical since you need 20 ranks of necro lore to bolt with 705. You can level just fine with 702 and 1700 as a pure Sorc. Bolting and spell aim optional.

Possibly. I know that each spell casting class has some slight deviations in where to train.

[Androidpk]

I'm probably going to roll one up as well. Playing a sorcerer for the first time and I'm really enjoying it. Pure from level 1 and I haven't had any problems.

[Astray]

I'm probably going to roll one up as well. Playing a sorcerer for the first time and I'm really enjoying it. Pure from level 1 and I haven't had any problems.

It's leaps and bounds easier now with 1700.

[Androidpk]

1700 certainly does help alleviate low mana. I think what really helps is the first 30 days mechanics. Pad stats and skills and walk around wrecking everything with dual open handed channeled 702. I did that until I hit 10 then got a 4x staff with ice flares and it got even better. One thing that really helps sorcerers too at these low levels is sacrifice. I know wizards have mana leech but I have no idea how it compares.

[Maerit]

Another very popular leveling tactic for the first 30 days is 2x harness power. You can opt to turn that off later if you like.

Also, train MnS / MjE spells, buff to 4 hours then instantly train MnE and buff to 4 hours. Spell tanking is easier in the 30 days for sure.

[Astray]

1700 certainly does help alleviate low mana. I think what really helps is the first 30 days mechanics. Pad stats and skills and walk around wrecking everything with dual open handed channeled 702. I did that until I hit 10 then got a 4x staff with ice flares and it got even better. One thing that really helps sorcerers too at these low levels is sacrifice. I know wizards have mana leech but I have no idea how it compares.
I have a 4x Void flaring T1 Scepter and a 4x ice flaring staff in my locker. Figured why not put 'em to use!

[Soulance]

702 wouldn't work as well as 705?
702 is the most used spell in the game according to the ELSTID. I've used it with my Sorc since day 1 and have been fine. Overtrain the Sorc spells a bit and then start bringing up the others. If you don't have someone to spell you up, just get to 103 and you'd probably be fine for quite awhile.

[Androidpk]

702 is the most used spell in the game according to the Wyrom. I've used it with my Sorc since day 1 and have been fine. Overtrain the Sorc spells a bit and then start bringing up the others. If you don't have someone to spell you up, just get to 103 and you'd probably be fine for quite awhile.

Maybe you know the answer to this.. can 702 crit kill? Fallen says yes but I've yet to ever see it happen.

[Soulance]

Maybe you know the answer to this.. can 702 crit kill? Fallen says yes but I've yet to ever see it happen.
I can't say I have proof because it's rare that it would ever happen - but I am almost positive I've seen it crit kill once or twice out of the 46 levels I'm up to. It's so rinse-repeat on hunting right now that they all kind of blend together. Not sure if any lores help, I have a fair amount of Necro and a touch of Demonology for some benefit that I forget at the moment. I'll try to pay more attention.

[Androidpk]

I know old school mana disrupt could.

[Astray]

702 is the most used spell in the game according to the Wyrom. I've used it with my Sorc since day 1 and have been fine. Overtrain the Sorc spells a bit and then start bringing up the others. If you don't have someone to spell you up, just get to 103 and you'd probably be fine for quite awhile.

Doesn't surprise me.

[Soulance]

702 is the most used spell in the game according to the ELSTID.
Fixed, sorry.

[subzero]

Maybe you know the answer to this.. can 702 crit kill? Fallen says yes but I've yet to ever see it happen.

Did someone whack you in the fucking head? Of course it can crit kill. It just doesn't kill anything in 2-3 casts like it used to. Blood Burst (701) doesn't crit kill since it just opens a bleeder on the neck, but 702 has always been able to crit.

[Fallen]

Did someone whack you in the fucking head? Of course it can crit kill. It just doesn't kill anything in 2-3 casts like it used to. Blood Burst (701) doesn't crit kill since it just opens a bleeder on the neck, but 702 has always been able to crit.

I think you're misinterpreting his question. He's asking if you can manage to score a fatal blow via a disruption crit in a single cast. He is under the impression that regardless of endroll, the spell has been blocked from reaching fatal ranks on the crit table.

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Disruption_critical_table

I've seen it crit kill outright, but it is very rare. I know i've seen Rank 6 head crits, rank 6 neck crits, and a rank 6 eye crit. A lot of the rank 9 messaging is definitely unfamiliar to me, though.

[Astray]

I've been opening with 702 and just bolting with 1700. Stuff that can't ward well against the 702 almost always gets a crit stun or is at the very least badly injured, which allows 1700 in its bolt form to deal a killing blow. It's a nice combo.

[Androidpk]

I think you're misinterpreting his question. He's asking if you can manage to score a fatal blow via a disruption crit in a single cast. He is under the impression that regardless of endroll, the spell has been blocked from reaching fatal ranks on the crit table.

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Disruption_critical_table

I've seen it crit kill outright, but it is very rare. I know i've seen Rank 6 head crits, rank 6 neck crits, and a rank 6 eye crit. A lot of the rank 9 messaging is definitely unfamiliar to me, though.

Yup, that is what I'm talking about. I've seen rank 5 on most areas, only abdomen.

[Fallen]

Yup, that is what I'm talking about. I've seen rank 5 on most areas, only abdomen.

When i've seen them, it was endrolls well north of 200, channeling in offensive with both hands open.

[subzero]

I think you're misinterpreting his question. He's asking if you can manage to score a fatal blow via a disruption crit in a single cast. He is under the impression that regardless of endroll, the spell has been blocked from reaching fatal ranks on the crit table.

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Disruption_critical_table

I've seen it crit kill outright, but it is very rare. I know i've seen Rank 6 head crits, rank 6 neck crits, and a rank 6 eye crit. A lot of the rank 9 messaging is definitely unfamiliar to me, though.

"Did someone whack you in the fucking head? Of course it can crit kill. It just doesn't kill anything in 2-3 casts like it used to. Blood Burst (701) doesn't crit kill since it just opens a bleeder on the neck, but 702 has always been able to crit."

[Fallen]

"Did someone whack you in the fucking head? Of course it can crit kill. It just doesn't kill anything in 2-3 casts like it used to. Blood Burst (701) doesn't crit kill since it just opens a bleeder on the neck, but 702 has always been able to crit."

How can it not kill something in 2 or 3 casts if it can outright crit kill? Did you mean to use the word everything instead of anything?

[subzero]

How can it not kill something in 2 or 3 casts if it can outright crit kill? Did you mean to use the word everything instead of anything?

I meant by crit kill. If you were casting it at a single target more than two or three times, you were having some bad luck back then. And, yes, 'everything' might have been a better choice, but either way, the meaning was that whatever your target, you could blow them away.

[Androidpk]

I guess I'm just jealous of smite/bane (302). Not only do I get frequent plasma crit kills there is also the chance for infusion outright insta-kill.

[Whirlin]

tl;dr @ OP:
No. Sorcerers are better at everything than wizards.

[Maerit]

I guess I'm just jealous of smite/bane (302). Not only do I get frequent plasma crit kills there is also the chance for infusion outright insta-kill.

Don't be jealous. The whole strong vs living/undead and weak vs the opposite makes this spell somewhat annoying. 702 is not weaker on half the critters in the game.

[drauz]

I guess I'm just jealous of smite/bane (302). Not only do I get frequent plasma crit kills there is also the chance for infusion outright insta-kill.

I think ;boneme will track the instant death crits of 702 and give you a percentage.

[Androidpk]

Don't be jealous. The whole strong vs living/undead and weak vs the opposite makes this spell somewhat annoying. 702 is not weaker on half the critters in the game.

I think that is a fair trade-off, especially bane. I love bane :)

[Androidpk]

I think ;boneme will track the instant death crits of 702 and give you a percentage.

Well as of now in the last 15 levels I have yet to see a single insta-gib. If it is possible, and I doubt it, it is well below a 1% chance.

[Vorpodu]

Pretty sure 702 was blocked from going above a rank 5 crit a long time ago, unless the ward failure margin is just ridiculous. Meaning you won't ever crit kill something with 702 that you actually hunt.