Windows 10

[Taernath]

Anyone install it yet? If so, what are your thoughts? My upgrade hasn't popped yet.

[Whirlin]

working on the upgrade! But, I think if you just kick off Windows Update, you can bipass the auto-wait.

[Furryrat]

Since I participated in the preview, I was able to download and install Windows 10 just after midnight. The install took about 90 minutes and was flawless. I'm still testing and crunching, but I've found no real hiccups thus far. Cortana is fun and fairly robust, and the new Microsoft Edge (aka Project Spartan, aka rebuilt IE) browser is very fluid and responsive, though some of the initial security settings can make browsing a bit bland until plugins, add-ons, extensions are configured. Overall, I'm quite happy with it so far. Still waiting for the install to pop on my tablet in order to test the usability of Win10 as a touchscreen OS.

[Whirlin]

http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-upgrade-not-showing-yet-heres-how-manually-trigger-update

[Furryrat]

http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-upgrade-not-showing-yet-heres-how-manually-trigger-update

This worked on my HP Stream 7 tablet. Windows Update now shows the download in progress.

Good call.

[Taernath]

I was getting a bunch of errors (80240020 and 80246010) until I just manually downloaded the update file. 5% now.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

[WRoss]

That CMD prompt idea did not work for me :(

[Whirlin]

2 things: Make sure you're running it as administrator
2) Start searching for updates before hitting the cmdprompt command

[Peppwyn]

I had a hell of a time getting it working today. Had to disable my Radeon video card to get it to not complain. I don't blame Microsoft, I blame Sony for requiring non-standard drivers!

[Taernath]

2 things: Make sure you're running it as administrator
2) Start searching for updates before hitting the cmdprompt command

I wouldn't even bother with that. For me the win10 update kept showing up as failed. Tried various suggestions (cmd prompt trigger, changing date/time, clearing download folder, etc.) Some people were talking about uninstalling drivers and hardware. Just download the update file manually.

41%

[Viekn]

Installed my Windows 10 today when my comp said it was available, everything went smoothly. However, using the new Microsoft Edge browser, no one's avatar on PC is showing. Anyone know a fix for that?

[Soulance]

Just update to 10 myself out of 8.1. I had to force it though with that link posted earlier. Much better already. Hope it stays that way. 8 was terrible!

[Fallen]

Haven't bit the bullet yet due to a lack of time, but I haven't heard of people experiencing terrible bugs quite yet so I may as well get around to it soon.

[Taernath]

Haven't bit the bullet yet due to a lack of time, but I haven't heard of people experiencing terrible bugs quite yet so I may as well get around to it soon.

I'm liking it so far. The only issues I've had are that Cortana switches to my main monitor rather than my side monitor when I click on it, and the store/netflix app don't seem to want to download or install anything.

[Ashliana]

I forced mine to update, didn't wait for the queue. It took about 15 minutes to do the Upgrade install (I've got a fast computer), and then I created a USB drive with a fresh copy on it so I could install a clean/custom installation, which took about 10 minutes. It's like Windows 8 with some of the "it sucks" taken out. Cortana isn't as useful as I'd hoped, but she's still neat. Windows 10 did not automatically download the nVidia drivers for my card, which I'd heard it was supposed to do.. likewise, Creative's drivers for Windows 10 come out in August, but the Windows 8.1 drivers work. Diablo 3, Hearthstone and HotS are working fine.

[Fallen]

What are the downsides of not doing a clean install?

[Peppwyn]

Whenever I install a new OS, I first run a zero fill clean on the disk, then install the OS. I just find that upgrades leave shit lying around (registry and otherwise) that can cause hiccups down the road.

[Ashliana]

By doing a clean install, you preclude the possibility of having conflicting registry entries (the longer a computer "lives" with one installation of Windows, the more clogged and bogged down the registry gets), remove vestigial files that the new OS no longer uses, get rid of the possibility of having conflicting drivers (esp. drivers for Windows 7/8 vs. 10), etc. The OS is usually measurably faster, but that effect might disappear when using an SSD -- I'm not sure. As a matter of practice, I always go with a clean install rather than an upgrade, and I tend to re-install from scratch about once every 12-18 months on my own, anyway.

Edit: If you don't want to bother with a clean install, there's a wonderful program that will analyze and visually display a representation of which programs are taking up all the space on your hard drives. It's called WinDirStat. (https://windirstat.info/) Love that tool.

https://windirstat.info/images/windirstat.jpg

[Whirlin]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Direct download link that works better than the hotfix I posted on the previous page

[Whirlin]

By doing a clean install, you preclude the possibility of having conflicting registry entries (the longer a computer "lives" with one installation of Windows, the more clogged and bogged down the registry gets), remove vestigial files that the new OS no longer uses, get rid of the possibility of having conflicting drivers (esp. drivers for Windows 7/8 vs. 10), etc. The OS is usually measurably faster, but that effect might disappear when using an SSD -- I'm not sure. As a matter of practice, I always go with a clean install rather than an upgrade, and I tend to re-install from scratch about once every 12-18 months on my own, anyway.

Edit: If you don't want to bother with a clean install, there's a wonderful program that will analyze and visually display a representation of which programs are taking up all the space on your hard drives. It's called WinDirStat. (https://windirstat.info/) Love that tool.

That is true... Registry values won't be cleared out in the OS upgrade... However... for most of us who've been around a few OS upgrades... there's a BIG difference between upgrading from 7/8 to 10 compared to back when we did the upgrade to like, Windows 95... and that's the File Allocation Table (FAT... yes... actually FAT)

Previously, the 'blocks' of data that were used by the OS were of a fixed length, with limitations in place based on the hard drive format. From 2006 onward, exFAT was introduced, which no longer hardcoded the potential file sizes directly across your HDD, allowing more expandable potential without having to go through the HDD wiping process for an OS upgrade.

Nowadays, we live in a time where the concept of 'formatting' a HDD really doesn't NEED to occur after you do it the first time you do it. So unlike before, swapping from one temporary FAT version to another incompatible FAT version, we're now done with all of that.

At least... something to that extent...

[Taernath]

Had a few taskbar lockups and slowdowns. I'm not sure if this is a Windows 10 issue or an app issue, as I use one that customizes the start menu buttons.

[Methais]

Windows 10 updates can disable your pirated games

Torrentors beware, WIndows 10 can apparently disable your pirated games and software. According to Microsoft’s new End User License Agreement (EULA) Windows has the caoability to render any pirated software on your system useless

Section 7b of the EULA states, Microsoft Services may “automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services.” That basically means that with every update, which you can’t turn off by the way, Microsoft can disable your pirated software.

As for “unauthorized hardware peripheral devices” the company is probably referring to its new Xbox One and 360 controllers, which are compatible with PCs. Whether it only checks that you aren’t using a counterfeit Xbox controller, or it disables other uncertified PC specific controllers is still unclear.

Thankfully though, with these anti-piracy measures in the OS itself, it’s safe to say that awful Games for Windows Live will never return from the rubbish heap, and Microsoft is sticking with Steam for the PC. Thank God for small mercies.

http://gamingadagent.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-updates-can-disable-your-pirated-games/

I'm more curious about the "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" part. Like...are they going to force us to use XBox controllers or something?

[Astray]

Gross.

[Whirlin]

Windows 10 updates can disable your pirated games

Torrentors beware, WIndows 10 can apparently disable your pirated games and software. According to Microsoft’s new End User License Agreement (EULA) Windows has the caoability to render any pirated software on your system useless

Section 7b of the EULA states, Microsoft Services may “automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services.” That basically means that with every update, which you can’t turn off by the way, Microsoft can disable your pirated software.

As for “unauthorized hardware peripheral devices” the company is probably referring to its new Xbox One and 360 controllers, which are compatible with PCs. Whether it only checks that you aren’t using a counterfeit Xbox controller, or it disables other uncertified PC specific controllers is still unclear.

Thankfully though, with these anti-piracy measures in the OS itself, it’s safe to say that awful Games for Windows Live will never return from the rubbish heap, and Microsoft is sticking with Steam for the PC. Thank God for small mercies.

http://gamingadagent.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-updates-can-disable-your-pirated-games/

I'm more curious about the "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" part. Like...are they going to force us to use XBox controllers or something?
Didn't apple do the exact same thing with loading music onto their ipods and such? Randomly delete tracks that violated copyright laws?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/apple-deleted-non-itunes-music-off-ipods-for-two-years-answers-for-it-in-court/

Found it...
Actually, it was worse, it was just all competitors... at least MS has the clause about just pirated stuff. Didn't pirating stuff kind of go out of style a decade ago?

[Taernath]

Anything in there about disabling torrented porn?

[Androidpk]

Didn't pirating stuff kind of go out of style a decade ago?

You're kidding right?

[Methais]

Didn't pirating stuff kind of go out of style a decade ago?

I'm pretty sure paying for stuff is what went out of style a decade ago.

[Ker_Thwap]

http://lifehacker.com/windows-10s-keylogger-fiasco-has-been-blown-out-of-pr-1642931793

[Taernath]

That's about the technical preview from almost a year ago. There are privacy and data concerns but they can mostly be mitigated through changing some settings. I doubt MS will disable 3rd party peripherals, and getting pirated software sniffed out is one of the risks you take when you pirate.

[Whirlin]

Windows 10 updates can disable your pirated games

Torrentors beware, WIndows 10 can apparently disable your pirated games and software. According to Microsoft’s new End User License Agreement (EULA) Windows has the caoability to render any pirated software on your system useless

Section 7b of the EULA states, Microsoft Services may “automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services.” That basically means that with every update, which you can’t turn off by the way, Microsoft can disable your pirated software.

As for “unauthorized hardware peripheral devices” the company is probably referring to its new Xbox One and 360 controllers, which are compatible with PCs. Whether it only checks that you aren’t using a counterfeit Xbox controller, or it disables other uncertified PC specific controllers is still unclear.

Thankfully though, with these anti-piracy measures in the OS itself, it’s safe to say that awful Games for Windows Live will never return from the rubbish heap, and Microsoft is sticking with Steam for the PC. Thank God for small mercies.

http://gamingadagent.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-updates-can-disable-your-pirated-games/

I'm more curious about the "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" part. Like...are they going to force us to use XBox controllers or something?
also found this:
http://imgur.com/gallery/m08HHLj

[Ker_Thwap]

That's about the technical preview from almost a year ago. There are privacy and data concerns but they can mostly be mitigated through changing some settings. I doubt MS will disable 3rd party peripherals, and getting pirated software sniffed out is one of the risks you take when you pirate.

Yeah, that's why I posted that link, it was debunking the worst of the outrage panic.

[Candor]

As a rule I never install a new version of Windows until it has been out for at least a year. I let everyone else discover the bugs.

[Androidpk]

As a rule I never install a new version of Windows until it has been out for at least a year. I let everyone else discover the bugs.

That is what I told my older brother after he downloaded W10 on his Alienware laptop. Shit was all fucked up and took me a couple of hours to fix for him.

[Methais]

As a rule I never install a new version of Windows until it has been out for at least a year. I let everyone else discover the bugs.

This.

[GayAngel]

dont like it....

[CrisFletser]

As for me, this MS product did not meet expectations. I don't like it.

[Allereli]

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[darkcipher]

Downloaded, not installed. I wanted to reserve, because when was the last time M$ gave something away for free? Still, I spend enough time troubleshooting when I work in linux, particularly when I don't update my laptop for a year and shit goes all wonky. I'll wait until I cannae wait no mah, Cap'n!