It's time

Election is tomorrow.

Remember to vote and vote for George Bush!

- Arkans

[Allycat]

GOOOOOOOO Kerry!

:cry:

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Remember to vote. Actual participation in the democratic process leads to Democrats actually winning.

[Jenisi]

Kerry! Kerry! Kerry! This election is as close as the last one.

[xtc]

God knows what will happen, the Democrats are opposing election staff asking voters for ID to make sure they are qualified to vote. They call it voter intimidation, what a load of crap. They ask for ID when you go to a bar. Is that drinker intimidation.

Why are the Democrats so afraid of making sure voters are qualified to vote unless the have filled the voter rolls with dead people and ineligible voters? Thank God in Ohio they have set up provisional balloting.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I voted a couple weeks ago.

Osama obvioulsy wants you to vote for Kerry.

- Arkans :whistle:

[xtc]

Originally posted by Arkans
Osama obvioulsy wants you to vote for Kerry.

- Arkans :whistle:

lol Karl Rove has a job for you

It's character assassination time!

- Arkans

[peam]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Sha-Na-Na-Na... Sha-Na-Na-Na...

Hey Hey Hey!

[GSLeloo]

I'll happily be voting tomorrow. I think I've said this several times but I am voting for kerry even though for some reason I just think Bush will win.

[Ilvane]

I hope there aren't any shenanigans...I hope Kerry wins, but I have this sinking feeling..just because of the last election.

My vote goes to Kerry..like you didn't know that already.

-A

[xtc]

Originally posted by peam
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Sha-Na-Na-Na... Sha-Na-Na-Na...

Hey Hey Hey!

Gallop polls are painting quite a different picture of electoral votes. They claim if the swing states go to who is leading there then neither candidate will have the required 270 electoral votes to become President.

Does anyone know what would happen in such a situation?

[Warriorbird]

Horrifying things involving unpleasant Republicans.

[Myshel]

Ya know I have a good feeling about Kerry winning.
The youth vote is overwhelmingly for Kerry.I'm counting on all those closet republicans, who would never out and out say I'm voting for Kerry but in the privacy of the voting booth will kick the bastard out.

[Back]

Good info from Electoral-Vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com).


Here are some things to remember about voting. Read carefully. Your vote could decide this election.

1. Find out today where your polling place is by calling your county clerk or checking www.mypollingplace.com
2. Alternatively, call 1-866-MYVOTE1 to find your polling place.
3. Check the hours the polls are open with your city or county clerk.
4. Print the League of Women Voters' card in English or Spanish and put it in your wallet or purse.
5. Bring a government-issued picture ID like a driver's license or passport when you vote. Some states require it but if there are problems, you will certainly need it. If you have a cell phone, take it to call for help if need be.
6. As you enter the polls, note if there is an Election Protection person outside the polling place.
7. If you are not on listed as a registered voter, try to register on the spot. Some states allow that. Otherwise, talk to the Election Protection person if there is one or call 1-866-OUR-VOTE for instructions. If neither of these helps, ask for a provisional ballot, but you will need a picture ID to get one.

[CrystalTears]

I got nothing for www.mypollingplace.com. :(

Edited to say that www.mypollingsite.com is working though.

[Edited on 11/1/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by peam
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Sha-Na-Na-Na... Sha-Na-Na-Na...

Hey Hey Hey!

Gallop polls are painting quite a different picture of electoral votes. They claim if the swing states go to who is leading there then neither candidate will have the required 270 electoral votes to become President.

Does anyone know what would happen in such a situation?

Isn't it left up to Congress to decide then?

I'm quite surprised by the polls coming out today.. looks like Kerry not only gained ground in many key states.. he's actually overtaken Bush.

Christ.. what happened? I spent too much time watching Football this weekend. :(

PS - I'm 6-2 in FF for those who care. 130 points this week = best point production yet. Power to Priest and Plummer (even if Plummer cost me my game last week.. bastard)

[CrystalTears]

Needless to say, I'm really worried about this election and have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that it will be Kerry. <sighs> Oh well.

[GSLeloo]

Really CT? I have the feeling it'll be Bush when I want Kerry.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Isn't it left up to Congress to decide then?

I'm quite surprised by the polls coming out today.. looks like Kerry not only gained ground in many key states.. he's actually overtaken Bush.

Christ.. what happened? I spent too much time watching Football this weekend. :(


Yep, ties go to Congress.

What happened is that the Dems have registered a record amount of voters. Additionally there have been even more independent registrations than there have been in a long time.

Looks like the GOP dropped the registration ball.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Isn't it left up to Congress to decide then?

I'm quite surprised by the polls coming out today.. looks like Kerry not only gained ground in many key states.. he's actually overtaken Bush.

Christ.. what happened? I spent too much time watching Football this weekend. :(


Yep, ties go to Congress.

What happened is that the Dems have registered a record amount of voters. Additionally there have been even more independent registrations than there have been in a long time.

Looks like the GOP dropped the registration ball.

The GOP didn't sign up any dead people.

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by xtc]

[Tsa`ah]

That remains to be determined.

[GSLeloo]

I didn't know your registration to vote expired...

[Parkbandit]

Actually both camps do some shady ass things. In Florida, we have early voting and it's been a fucking circus. The day of the election, there are supposed to be no one on staff 'promoting' their candidate.. but this rule is not in effect for early voting.. so you see Republican groups and Democrat groups handing out free water saying "Don't forget to vote for Bush" "Don't forget to vote for Kerry".

It's sickening.

[Betheny]

No matter who I vote for, I am gonna regret it later, aren't I?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Maimara
No matter who I vote for, I am gonna regret it later, aren't I? :yes:

[Betheny]

Alright guys, I'm putting my vote up for bids.

What you gonna give me to vote for your favorite candidate?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Maimara
No matter who I vote for, I am gonna regret it later, aren't I?

Well if you vote for Kerry you will!!

Just kidding.. it was all set up there.. I had to swing at it.

Don't be a hater.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Maimara
No matter who I vote for, I am gonna regret it later, aren't I?

Well if you vote for Kerry you will!!

Just kidding.. it was all set up there.. I had to swing at it.

Don't be a hater.

Start bidding, chump.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
That remains to be determined.

In Ohio the Dems have signed up Mary Poppins. I have no doubt that the Dems have commited massive election fraud or they wouldn't have fought taking these people off voter rolls. I heard this morning on CNN that the Dems are fighting in certain states so that voters don't have to produce ID when challenged at the voting station.

[Tsa`ah]

Both sides do it. There's really no use in pointing out one if you don't point out the other.

I'm sure there are just as many registered Republicans that have been dead for decades or are fictional characters.

How it happens is the issue that should be focused on.

[CrystalTears]

Check your ballot before you walk out, guys.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/travis.asp

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Both sides do it. There's really no use in pointing out one if you don't point out the other.

I'm sure there are just as many registered Republicans that have been dead for decades or are fictional characters.

How it happens is the issue that should be focused on.

It seems that only the Democrats are fighting against insuring voters are eligible to vote. If you haven't padded the election rolls why be afraid of this. It is as simple as asking somone to provide proof of residence in the area that you are voting in and American citizenship. Is that so tough?

I have worked elections before and eligible voters have no problem producing citizenship and address proof. It is a very simple procedure. "ID please" Some Judge in Ohio has disallowed voter qualificataion by the Republican party, what a load of crap. Not only does the ruling violate state law, the Judge's reasons for his ruling are spurious.

I have read no stories where Republicans are trying to stop voter challenges. To me that says the Democrats are the ones padding the election rolls.


Voters signed up by the Democrats in Ohio Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, George Foreman, and Michael Jordan. I am being serious this isn't a joke.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Maimara
What you gonna give me to vote for your favorite candidate? e-hugs and a Bobmuhthol-esque picture detailing your awesomeness.

Assuming of course the topic you made is malleable.

[Tsa`ah]

As it's the Republicans that are attempting to disenfranchise voters.

I really don't give a shit what either party does, they're both a group of crack fiends in denial.

You can claim that it's only the Dems, but you would be wrong.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
As it's the Republicans that are attempting to disenfranchise voters.

I really don't give a shit what either party does, they're both a group of crack fiends in denial.

You can claim that it's only the Dems, but you would be wrong.

Disenfranchise voters? What the hell does that mean?

If you are eligible to vote be prepared to produce ID stating it, simple. I would think that both sides would have no problem with this.

[Betheny]

They're trying to leave Democrats hopeless so we don't 'bother' voting tomorrow.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Maimara
They're trying to leave Democrats hopeless so we don't 'bother' voting tomorrow.

huh?

[Betheny]

You know, like...

"It doesn't matter if you vote, you're wasting it". ...

[xtc]

Originally posted by Maimara
You know, like...

"It doesn't matter if you vote, you're wasting it". ...

But every voter who is eligible can vote as long as they bring ID when they vote.

When both candidates are in a statistical tie I can't understand how anyone would think their vote is wasted.

[Betheny]

:shrug:
Beats me.

Then again the electoral college makes a single minority vote in a majority state pretty pointless.

[DeV]

Originally posted by xtc
Voters signed up by the Democrats in Ohio Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, George Foreman, and Michael Jordan. I am being serious this isn't a joke. Seriously, this sounds like something an unintelligent person would do and has done. I mean, blame it on the Dems all day long, it all boils down to some stupid person who was registering voters who either thought it wouldn't get noticed or was trying to be funny in a very stupid way. I think both sides do it without question.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by xtc
When both candidates are in a statistical tie I can't understand how anyone would think their vote is wasted.

Many voters think that their state isn't a "swing" state so it doesn't matter.

I've seen VA go from a 6% gap to 3% to 4% (the gap being in favor of Bush). VA has voted for a republican for the last 40 years. But I'm still voting - hoping to change that. Hoping to "Turn VA Blue".

[xtc]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by xtc
Voters signed up by the Democrats in Ohio Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, George Foreman, and Michael Jordan. I am being serious this isn't a joke. Seriously, this sounds like something an unintelligent person would do and has done. I mean, blame it on the Dems all day long, it all boils down to some stupid person who was registering voters who either thought it wouldn't get noticed or was trying to be funny in a very stupid way. I think both sides do it without question.

The stories I am reading are Democrats doing it.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
As it's the Republicans that are attempting to disenfranchise voters.

I really don't give a shit what either party does, they're both a group of crack fiends in denial.

You can claim that it's only the Dems, but you would be wrong.

Disenfranchise voters? What the hell does that mean?

If you are eligible to vote be prepared to produce ID stating it, simple. I would think that both sides would have no problem with this.

WFT?

You're kidding right?

Do me a favor and use goggle for this one.

Here are the words.

Disenfranchise, voter, GOP, republican

Hell, replace GOP and republican for Dem if you want, but don't ask stupid questions.

[Wezas]

3rd link on Google - a Wisconsin state run site:

Republicans try to create tax for people who want to vote (http://www.legis.state.wi.us/senate/sen04/news/inthenews/pr2003-006.htm)


Their proposal, Senate Bill 68 (SB68), would create tough new restrictions on who could vote and illegally require citizens to pay in order to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by xtc
When both candidates are in a statistical tie I can't understand how anyone would think their vote is wasted.

Many voters think that their state isn't a "swing" state so it doesn't matter.

I've seen VA go from a 6% gap to 3% to 4% (the gap being in favor of Bush). VA has voted for a republican for the last 40 years. But I'm still voting - hoping to change that. Hoping to "Turn VA Blue".

Hopefully it'll happen. You would think with the high conentration of military personnel living around here, we would have a more anti-Bush sentiment, since he's the one sending them off to die in the sands of Iraq.

However, you have rural southern Virginia to deal with... NoVa is really like a different state.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc

Disenfranchise voters? What the hell does that mean?

If you are eligible to vote be prepared to produce ID stating it, simple. I would think that both sides would have no problem with this.

WFT?

You're kidding right?

Do me a favor and use goggle for this one.

Here are the words.

Disenfranchise, voter, GOP, republican

Hell, replace GOP and republican for Dem if you want, but don't ask stupid questions.


Every time I hear this term being used, it is in response to voter eligibility. I can't understand how making sure a voter is eligible to vote by asking for ID is voter disenfranshised. It seems like a bogus term for voter qualification to me.

Re my google: I came up with articles like this which reinforces my point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7422-2004Oct28.html

I could be wrong but I don't think George Foreman, Michael Jordan, and Mary Poppins are eligible to vote in Ohio.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/10/18/mary.poppins.registers.to.vote/

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by xtc]

[DeV]

Originally posted by xtc
The stories I am reading are Democrats doing it. I believe you. I also believe it happens on both sides without a doubt.

[xtc]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by xtc
The stories I am reading are Democrats doing it. I believe you. I also believe it happens on both sides without a doubt.

That is why I believe both sides should have the ability to qualify the eligibility of voters by asking for ID when theybelieve a voter is suspect. It really isn't a big deal I have worked the polls and done it myself. It helps insure a fair vote for everyone.

[DeV]

How do you determine a "suspect voter" without profiling?

[Betheny]

People should have to show ID, standard. End of story.

I'm not sure what the big deal is.

I would not doubt that someone would pretend to be someone they aren't, and I hate the thought of someone casting a vote under my name.

[Wezas]

I don't know how it is in other states - but here in VA, I have to show my ID if I want to vote.

[Tsa`ah]

Same in IL.

The problem is not in showing ID, the problem is with a Democrat or Republican making a determination on who is eligible.

[Keller]

My soap-box:

I don't care how you feel about voting. Whether you live in California and know it will go blue or whether you live in Mantana and know it will go red. I don't care how busy you are. What I care about money, energy, and lives that have gone into making democracy available to two nations in the past few years. I don't give two shits what your opinion on whether they are true democracies are. What I care is that we've spent those resources protecting the ideal of democracy and if you don't fucking get off your lazy gemstone playing ass tomorrow and vote you've made a fucking mockery of the young men and women who have died in Afganistan and Iraq.

:End Soapbox

[xtc]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
How do you determine a "suspect voter" without profiling?

When I have done it, it was based on the nervousness of the voter. If they seemed uncomfortable. Another dead give away for me is when I see two well dressed guys walk a dishevelled person to the polls. That is usually 2 members of a political party buying votes &/or trying to get in an ineligible voter to vote. If they are not on the voter registration and use use a phone/energy bill to prove residence, I ask for proof of citizenship.

I simply ask in a polite and respectful tone. "Could you please produce ID that shows your address and a form of ID to show your citizenship?" If they don't have it, I let them know if they go home and come back with it before the polls close they can vote.

Election staff very often know very little of the election rules. I have never seen election staff ask for ID. I have worked numerous elections and each time the election staff has had little knowledge of what the rules are.

I think observers from both parties should be able to ask for ID of any voter.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Same in IL.

The problem is not in showing ID, the problem is with a Democrat or Republican making a determination on who is eligible.

They simply ask for ID which shows address in the county and citizenship, if ID can't be produced the person can go home and get it and return and vote. Seems very fair to me.

[Tsa`ah]

Partisan BS is what makes voting a hassle.

Registered republicans, registered democrats ... have no business at a polling center except to vote.

Independents and non-partisans should be the only people to work as polling judges ... that's it.

[Betheny]

another good idea is you register to vote months ahead of time at one location, and you can only vote at that location. Voting should also be extended to a two or three day process with the results not being publicized until after the polls close.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Partisan BS is what makes voting a hassle.

Registered republicans, registered democrats ... have no business at a polling center except to vote.

Independents and non-partisans should be the only people to work as polling judges ... that's it.

I vehemently disagree with some of what you have said. Not once has election staff asked for ID at any of the voting stations that I have worked at, in numerous elections.

Partisan volunteers at the election stations keep both parties in check. I know in my area who the party volunteers are, when I see them escorting a “voter” to the polls I know something is up. The election staff doesn’t have a clue of this; most of them are just trying to keep up with the voters. Many of them have never worked an election before and are learning the rules at the same time.

I can ask for ID but is the non-partisan election staff that determines if that ID is eligible or if they don’t have ID that they can’t vote. I don’t disqualify voters the election staff does.

[Tsa`ah]

Ummm ... you're in Canada right? Voting absentee ballot? You have stated as much.

If you're talking about Canadian elections, that's an apple to this orange.

My comments and ideas for US elections are for US elections.

[4a6c1]

Voting Libertarian, but I know Bush will win. Oh well, might as well try.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Ummm ... you're in Canada right? Voting absentee ballot? You have stated as much.

If you're talking about Canadian elections, that's an apple to this orange.

My comments and ideas for US elections are for US elections.

Yes but I use to live in the USA and I understand the rules are similar in the USA. That partisan observers can ask for voter qualification but that the decision to allow or disallow eligibility is still determined by election staff.

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by xtc]

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Remember to vote. Actual participation in the democratic process leads to Democrats actually winning.

That is, unless the electoral college is rigged like last election.

::runs away::

[xtc]

This is from the State of Vermont on who can determine voter eligibilty. Of course partisan observers can ask for voter qualification but the decision is made by the Election Staff usually the Election Supervisor.

Who determines voter eligibility:

Election Staff
Town clerk
Board of Civil Authority
Secretary of State

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=17&Chapter=043

[Tsa`ah]

It becomes a problem when the partisan observer decides a photo ID is not sufficient.

Partisan observers and judges should be no more accepted than campaign material inside the polling center.

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
It becomes a problem when the partisan observer decides a photo ID is not sufficient.

Partisan observers and judges should be no more accepted than campaign material inside the polling center.

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by Tsa`ah]

The call isn't the partisan obervers:

From Florida Elections rules

"In situations where a potential voter’s name does not appear on the precinct registration books, and when he or she cannot present a valid registration card, voting will be permitted only “if the supervisor is otherwise satisfied that the elector is validly registered, that the elector’s name has been erroneously omitted from the books, and the elector is entitled to have his or her name restored"

Notice it says it is the Supervisors decision.

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps13588/lps13588/ch7.htm

[Tsa`ah]

You're arguing rules. Rules mind you that aren't followed. Rules that half of the judges don't know.

Voter intimidation is performed on the part of partisan observers and partisan judges.

Point out all the rules you want, they don't mean squat when they're not followed.

My opinion stands as is.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You're arguing rules. Rules mind you that aren't followed. Rules that half of the judges don't know.

Voter intimidation is performed on the part of partisan observers and partisan judges.

Point out all the rules you want, they don't mean squat when they're not followed.

My opinion stands as is.

Emotionalism as opposed to fact. I must say I am disappointed. The decision is made by the election supervisor period.

Voter intimidation.....? please Tsa'ah. Asking for ID is hardly intimidation.

You can hold to your opinion, but I have proved my point.

[Tsa`ah]

You haven't proven anything other than being able to google election rules.

[AnticorRifling]

You proved your point to yourself. I'm still not convinced.

[xtc]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
You proved your point to yourself. I'm still not convinced.

I have proved that Election Supervisors determine voter eligibilty on Election day, not partisan members. This was something you questioned.

You can be not convinced all you want, fact is fact.

Partisans can only ask for ID that is it. The final decision is made by the election supervisor.

Why wouldn't you want make sure that voters are eligible to vote?

[Tsa`ah]

You are not understanding that there are people that don't follow the rules and there are people that don't know the rules.

Voter intimidation ensues.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
You are not understanding that there are people that don't follow the rules and there are people that don't know the rules.

Voter intimidation ensues.

This is bullshit. Each polling station will have multiple copies of the election rules. Stop arguing Tsa'ah you have lost.

[DeV]

Ummm, Tsa'ah is correct. There are people who have no idea of what the rules are let alone follow and enforce them. It happens. How can you even argue that.

[xtc]

How hard is to know that any voter is required to prove that they live in the county they are voting in, and that they prove they are a US citizen? A copy of the election rules will be found at voting stations.

This is such a silly argument. All a voter has to do is produce ID to state he/she is eligible. I have worked elections in Canada and it is a simple thing. Anyone who doesn't want observers to be able to ask for ID is against a clean election.

[DeV]

I don't have a problem with them asking for my ID in order to vote. I'm sure the majority of Americans would have no problem with this as well. Are these rules enforced 100% of the time. Doubt it, highly.

Hell, I have residences in two counties. My name is on 2 leases and I wouldn't have any problem proving that fact if I was to be asked before voting.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
This is bullshit. Each polling station will have multiple copies of the election rules. Stop arguing Tsa'ah you have lost.

This leads me to believe that you have led a very sheltered life and are oblivious to your own surroundings.

My wife will again be a polling judge; I have been a polling judge and can with some authority tell you that most polling judges don't know the rules. Partisan observers do intimidate voters. Partisan observers and judges do attempt, and in many cases succeed, in disqualifying voters.

College students are one of the primary targets of disenfranchising efforts. Many out of state students who qualify as residents are turned away because the ID they possess is not a State ID, despite having an in state student ID.

Minorities are targeted left and right. Even if they have valid ID, observers demand more. A social security card, mail with the current address.

I don't know what fucked up reality you live in, but most people don't have a surplus of time. Turning a voter away almost guarantees they won't be back simply because they don't have the time to go home and gather up what is being demanded of them, despite having what they needed in the first place.

Just a little FYI for you, this wasn't a contest. If this is what you need to validate that absurd thing you call a thought process, you are indeed a sad sad individual.


[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Betheny]

dude, my coworker asked to take off 2 hours early since he lives like 2 hours away... and she said no..
Isn't that illegal? They have to give you time to vote or something... right?

[GSLeloo]

I know if you show your registration where I work you get holiday pay for it.

[HarmNone]

We're required to have valid identification to vote here, but the only person to whom it is shown is the person checking the roster to see that you're voting in the right precinct. Once your name is found on the list, you go vote. Simple as that.

I've never had anybody question my right to vote, or try to send me home to get something I don't have. My voter registration card has sufficed. Of course, I'm not the type to be easily intimidated, and it's probably pretty obvious that I'm not. :smilegrin:

[CrystalTears]

This is my first time voting in Connecticut so we'll see how it goes. Just to be safe, I'm taking more than just my license. They can kiss my ass and tell me to come back later because I won't. The morning is the only time I have. If they turn me away, they'll be SOL in getting me to return.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Maimara
You would think with the high conentration of military personnel living around here, we would have a more anti-Bush sentiment, since he's the one sending them off to die in the sands of Iraq.Most, if not all, of the military guys I talk to are pro-Bush. I would suggest that's why you aren't finding your anti-Bush sentiment.

[Caiylania]

Bush gave the military tax cuts, raises, better living standards, bonuses, and most soldiers agree with his tactics.

Of the ones I know , talk to , and hear about.

[GSTamral]

The military vote will be an enormous X-factor in Florida, where the vote is close. Nearly 160,000 military absentee ballots are registered votes in Florida, and UPS is shipping all of them because the post office fucked up last time.

While I cannot officially comment on how that vote went because I simply don't know, the general sentiment of the people handling that project say that it is heavily republican.

a 50,000-60,000 vote swing that no sample polling could get may turn a close race in Florida into quite a strong victory.

Oddly enough, the three heaviest states in which these military votes will count are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. While something certainly smells fishy about it, I'll never question the rights of any soldier to vote. They should technically have that right before any of us, because they are the ones dying out there.

[Hulkein]

How is it that Tsa`ah somehow wins an argument when the other guy actually has sources and rules in his favor?

I seem to remember Tsa`ah saying if you don't have sources and facts it's just heresay and has no validity.

Isn't saying that 'no one knows the rules' a stretch in a debate?

I think Tsa`ah could argue the world is flat and get half of the people here to agree with him.

[HarmNone]

Reading Tsa`ah's last post, I see "most polling judges don't know the rules". He says this from the viewpoint of someone who has been a polling judge, and is married to someone who has been, and will be this election, a polling judge. I do not read "most polling judges..." as "no one". Apparently, Hulkien, you do.

Sometimes, a person wins an argument because that person is right. :O

[GSTamral]

<<<
College students are one of the primary targets of disenfranchising efforts. Many out of state students who qualify as residents are turned away because the ID they possess is not a State ID, despite having an in state student ID.
>>>

As well they should be. More than 6 people on my hall of 30 (of which only 15 or so actually voted), voted twice in the 1996 Election between Dole and Clinton.
The fact that they all cheated the system to vote for Dole in their home state as well as in North Carolina aside, none of them were caught. These people should be challenged to prove they moved their registration to the state they are attending college. Otherwise, they can fill out an absentee ballot in their own state.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Maimara
dude, my coworker asked to take off 2 hours early since he lives like 2 hours away... and she said no..
Isn't that illegal? They have to give you time to vote or something... right?

Is his job a government job? I'm not sure if it's a state law - but it should be a government law.

[GSTamral]

<<
Originally posted by Maimara
dude, my coworker asked to take off 2 hours early since he lives like 2 hours away... and she said no..
Isn't that illegal? They have to give you time to vote or something... right?
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Is his job a government job? I'm not sure if it's a state law - but it should be a government law.
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This is a sensitive topic, but I told my employees the same thing. Polls are open from 6am to 8pm. If you can't make it during that time, they are free to go during lunch to a public library and voting.

If they needed the time, they should have requested an absentee ballot, they are free.

Voting day is not an excuse to take extra time off from work.

[HarmNone]

It appears to me that nobody is arguing against the validity of "one citizen, one vote". The debate seems to hinge on who should be authorized to determine who votes where. I have to agree that partisan poll watchers are by no means the best qualified, nor the most desireable, people to do this...whether those poll watchers be Democrats or Republicans.

[GSTamral]

I believe in poll challengers. I believe people have the right to question voter fraud. Rather than blocking poll challengers, the dems should simply send out an equal task force.

A policeman or two at each station should also be monitoring the challengers to ensure no voter intimidation occurs. Just as Voter Fraud is a federal crime, Voter Intimidation should be one as well.

[Warriorbird]

Heh. Hard as heck to prove.

[HarmNone]

A policeman or two at every poll station sounds like an easy solution. However, how many cities and townships have enough policemen to safely do this? I can just see the smiles wreathing the faces of the would-be looters and hooligans now.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I'll happily be voting tomorrow. I think I've said this several times but I am voting for kerry even though for some reason I just think Bush will win.

Quite probably because you've realized that you don't vote for someone just because you think they'll win :)

Jorddyn

[Back]

You think you aren’t as bad as we are? WTF kind of argument is that? Think about what you are saying. Think about what that means.

Republican tricks to stop voters are well documented and you will not find nearly as many stories on democrats doing it. If you watch FOX, they make it seem like all the polls are in disarray. That crack addicts are filling out and voting multiple ballots. That democrats are trying to stop republican challengers because they want to hide all their dead voters.

Don’t fall for it people. The polls are not conclusive. No one can stop you from voting even without ID. I’m confident Bush is out, but go and vote anyway. Make it a landslide.

[AnticorRifling]

Military isn't pro bush per say, we are pro republican. Republicans get us paid dem's don't do shit for the military. Say what you want I've served under both and seen the difference myself, not in a book but in life.

Me I'm actually doing something I don't normally do. I'm voting straight ticket this year because no one on either side motivates me to do otherwise.

[Carl Spackler]

got these in an email about an hour ago... thought some of you might enjoy.

[Warriorbird]

Considering all the shit y'all have to put up with, Anticor... no, the Republicans don't get you paid. Not saying the Democrats get you paid any better... but the actual soldiers of the military are woefully underfunded considering the jobs they do.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by xtc


It seems that only the Democrats are fighting against insuring voters are eligible to vote. If you haven't padded the election rolls why be afraid of this. It is as simple as asking somone to provide proof of residence in the area that you are voting in and American citizenship. Is that so tough?

I have worked elections before and eligible voters have no problem producing citizenship and address proof. It is a very simple procedure. "ID please" Some Judge in Ohio has disallowed voter qualificataion by the Republican party, what a load of crap. Not only does the ruling violate state law, the Judge's reasons for his ruling are spurious.

I have read no stories where Republicans are trying to stop voter challenges. To me that says the Democrats are the ones padding the election rolls.


Voters signed up by the Democrats in Ohio Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, George Foreman, and Michael Jordan. I am being serious this isn't a joke. [/quote]

X, are you from Ohio? Or do you just read select media outlets? You're being quite naive if you think that there hasn't been fraudelent registration activities on both sides of the fence.

Should I tell a few stories about the sorts of things our Republican Sec of State has tried to implement this election? How about that registrations had to be on 80 lb card stock, but that was rescinded.

How about a ruling that instead of there being polling judges in a precinct with more than one voting place - that they were going to allow each and every polling place in targetted areas to have challengers. Fortunately the courts ruled today as a matter of fact, that the only people to do challenges are the election officers who are of both parties.

As for the several rulings in Ohio, one of the most recent was that the Repubs had formally challenged 35,000 registrations late in October and that it created utter chaos for the boards of elections - there's no way that people's due process could be served in time to give them all notices, hearings and allow them to prove that they are entitled to vote.

At least present the facts. And for god's sake please tell me that you are not a Buckeye - that would just ruin my night.

[GSTamral]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by xtc

Democrats are challenging the Republicans right to challenge votes. Some of the names they have used and that have been reported by media are not real people.

.

All republicans are bad bad bad. They do bad bad bad bad things, and make bad bad bad rules, and nyah nyah nyah. and DOn't be a Buckeye
[/quote]


TRL, again, you're equally naive if you don't realize it goes both ways, and it's very difficult to figure out which one is more guilty, because both sides have hands, feet and bodies soaked in the blood of electioneering and fraud.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by xtc
Every time I hear this term being used, it is in response to voter eligibility. I can't understand how making sure a voter is eligible to vote by asking for ID is voter disenfranshised. It seems like a bogus term for voter qualification to me.



Since you are insistent on using Ohio as your case study.

The Help America Vote Act of 2002 requires people who registered to vote by mail after January 1, 2003, to provide identification when attempting to vote for the first time, unless the person provided his/her current Ohio driver's license number or the last four digits of his/her Social Security Number on the registration form.

If you did not supply that information when you registered, you should bring either of these personal identification documents with you when you go to vote:

A current valid photo identification, or
A utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document showing your name and address.


http://www.yourvotecountsohio.org

If you are challenged, you don't show ID. What you do is answer questions under oath, which are asked by the precinct judge. The challenger has to be at least 10 feet away from you when this happens. If your answers match the voter registration records, you are given a regular ballot. If they do not, the pollworkers are supposed to give you a provisional ballot.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. Much like the Kennedy/Nixon election I expect rampant cheating will go on on both sides.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by GSTamral

TRL, again, you're equally naive if you don't realize it goes both ways, and it's very difficult to figure out which one is more guilty, because both sides have hands, feet and bodies soaked in the blood of electioneering and fraud.


Gee, Tamral - go reread the post and tell me that I didn't say that it was on both sides. Read the post before you make yourself out to be a complete jackass.

[HarmNone]

Actually, I think xtc lives in Canada, TRL.

[GSTamral]

You know, I don't suppose everyone has the connection to do it, but you should all watch the video for Sarah Mclachlan's "World on Fire". Quite humbling indeed, that the money spent electioneering, and filming and covering the glitz that is what should be a simple election process could instead actually serve to help so many millions of people.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Actually, I think xtc lives in Canada, TRL.

Yeah, he is. But he teases us telling us he's dual-citizenship but has never actually said from which county/state his ballot will count. Not that has to tell us, of course. :)

I

[Back]

Originally posted by GSTamral
You know, I don't suppose everyone has the connection to do it, but you should all watch the video for Sarah Mclachlan's "World on Fire". Quite humbling indeed, that the money spent electioneering, and filming and covering the glitz that is what should be a simple election process could instead actually serve to help so many millions of people.

Here here. Campaign spending needs reform. How? Hell if I know. How about, you are not allowed to spend any money if there is one starving child in the United States?

[HarmNone]

I have seen it, Tamral. It but places before our eyes the realizations that most thinking people came to long ago. :(

[Ravenstorm]

More than $600 million dollars was spent on this election in ads and commercials on radio and tv.

Raven

[GSTamral]

I could think of so many other things that 600 million would be better spent on.

Maybe if either party could come up with a candidate that didn't completely suck ass, they wouldn't need to spend so much promoting themselves.

[Warriorbird]

:agrees with Tamral, inwardly cringing:

[Wezas]

So wait, it's ok for Republicans to challenge voter eligibility - but when Democrats want to validate Nader's petitions (many of which have been well documented of being >50% invalid) they get crucified?

[GSTamral]

There is a distinct difference between challenging someone's ability to be on the ballot, and challenging the validity of an individual vote. And if you read correctly, I said it was ok for both republicans and democrats to challenge votes that may be invalid.

[Back]

I’m against the challenging by democrats or republicans. I see it as a way to stop votes, rather than getting people to vote. Unfortunately, an Ohio judge, just tonight, ruled that challengers are allowed. More intimidation tactics from the GOP.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc
This is bullshit. Each polling station will have multiple copies of the election rules. Stop arguing Tsa'ah you have lost.

This leads me to believe that you have led a very sheltered live and are oblivious to your own surroundings.

My wife will again be a polling judge; I have been a polling judge and can with some authority tell you that most polling judges don't know the rules. Partisan observers do intimidate voters. Partisan observers and judges do attempt, and in many cases succeed, in disqualifying voters.

College students are one of the primary targets of disenfranchising efforts. Many out of state students who qualify as residents are turned away because the ID they possess is not a State ID, despite having an in state student ID.

Minorities are targeted left and right. Even if they have valid ID, observers demand more. A social security card, mail with the current address.

I don't know what fucked up reality you live in, but most people don't have a surplus of time. Turning a voter away almost guarantees they won't be back simply because they don't have the time to go home and gather up what is being demanded of them, despite having what they needed in the first place.

Just a little FYI for you, this wasn't a contest. If this is what you need to validate that absurd thing you call a thought process, you are indeed a sad sad individual.

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by Tsa`ah]


ROLFL what a joke Tsa'ah now you are a polling judge something you failed to mention in a debate about voter challenges that took up 1/2 a day. You also claimed partisan challengers made the call on voter eligiblity not election supervisors. I had to quote chapter and verse of election law before you relented. I would have thought Tsa'ah as a polling judge you would have known this.

I have no problem validating both citizenship and address. Hell if you live there a little quiz should be something you should be able to do in your sleep.

I have been an observer/voter challenger in four Canadian elections and worked on one campaign in the USA.

My point was you lacked any evidence to support your position. An oath and evidence of residence and citizenship seems to qualify any voter in most states according to election law. I am sure a student can provide evidence of residence in the state. A federal letter, phone bill, energy bill seem to suffice.

With 1000's of ineligible voters on the election rolls in Ohio I was disappointed that a Judge disallowed Voter qualifiication at the polls on election day. Thank God for Provisional ballots.

Tsa'ah are you saying that on election day there won't be a copy of the election rules at the poll you are working at in fairy land?

[Back]

Ok, I could have sworn FOX reported judges in Ohio decided challengers were allowed. Seems like I wasn’t crazy after all. Now I’m sad again.

From FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137229,00.html).

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Backlash]

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash
Ok, I could have sworn FOX reported judges in Ohio decided challengers were allowed. Seems like they aren’t. My bad. Glad I heard wrong.

Maybe I heard the Repubs were appealing today's 1 pm to the 6th Circuit court of appeals. Perhaps the 6th circuit over turned the lower courts ruling.

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by xtc]

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Hulkein
How is it that Tsa`ah somehow wins an argument when the other guy actually has sources and rules in his favor?

I seem to remember Tsa`ah saying if you don't have sources and facts it's just heresay and has no validity.

Isn't saying that 'no one knows the rules' a stretch in a debate?

I think Tsa`ah could argue the world is flat and get half of the people here to agree with him.

This is because he merely pointed out the rules, availability and so forth, yet dismissed the notion that the very judges may be ignorant of the rules, may ignore the rules, and that partisan observers did not intimidate voters. This would be classified as ignorant.

People break laws. People in power break laws. Laws are broken.

Turning a voter away from a poll who has proper ID simply because the observer was not satisfied is voter intimidation. A poll supervisor who allows this is sympathetic to the party the observer is affiliated with.

He can point out links and sources to all of the rules, regulations, and laws that he wants. This does not lend credence to the notion that these laws are followed.

Get a clue.

[Back]

Sorry about that people. After doing a search on the story, remarkably, only FOX is reporting it, and, it didn’t even come up in Goodle news lists. It came up on a Tiwanese site, that linked back to the FOX site. Weird. According to FOX, Ohio Supreme Court ruled late tonight 4-3 that one challenger of each party is allowed.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Turning a voter away from a poll who has proper ID simply because the observer was not satisfied is voter intimidation. A poll supervisor who allows this is sympathetic to the party the observer is affiliated with.

He can point out links and sources to all of the rules, regulations, and laws that he wants. This does not lend credence to the notion that these laws are followed.

Get a clue.

Lol so your defense now is that the law isn't followed? LMFAO.

Do you any evidence of this wild conjecture? Hard and fast fact?

And at which poll will we find you judging at tomorrow? Will you be one of those bias Judges you are referring to. If Mary Poppins shows up at your poll I would ask for ID and proof of citizenship.

Tsa'ah you are a riot.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash
Sorry about that people. After doing a search on the story, remarkably, only FOX is reporting it, and, it didn’t even come up in Goodle news lists. It came up on a Tiwanese site, that linked back to the FOX site. Weird. According to FOX, Ohio Supreme Court ruled late tonight 4-3 that one challenger of each party is allowed.

I hope that story is right. Mary Poppins, Michael Jordan and George Foreman were registered by the Democratic party to vote in Ohio. Let's hope a challenger can ask for proof of residence in the county and citizenship.

Funny I always though Mary Poppins was British.

[Back]

Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by Backlash
Sorry about that people. After doing a search on the story, remarkably, only FOX is reporting it, and, it didn’t even come up in Goodle news lists. It came up on a Tiwanese site, that linked back to the FOX site. Weird. According to FOX, Ohio Supreme Court ruled late tonight 4-3 that one challenger of each party is allowed.

I hope that story is right. Mary Poppins, Michael Jordan and George Foreman were registered by the Democratic party to vote in Ohio. Let's hope a challenger can ask for proof of residence in the county and citizenship.

Funny I always though Mary Poppins was British.

Lets hope our rights as citizens in this great country aren’t trampled. I’m not surpised at the GOP for this. They know they aren’t going to win and are trying desperately to stay in power.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash

Lets hope our rights as citizens in this great country aren’t trampled. I’m not surpised at the GOP for this. They know they aren’t going to win and are trying desperately to stay in power.

Lets hope that only eligible voters get to vote. Eligible voters rights are trampled when electoral rolls are filled with bogus voters. I would have thought that both parties would be interested in honest and clean electoral rols.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash
You think you aren’t as bad as we are? WTF kind of argument is that? Think about what you are saying. Think about what that means.

Republican tricks to stop voters are well documented and you will not find nearly as many stories on democrats doing it. If you watch FOX, they make it seem like all the polls are in disarray. That crack addicts are filling out and voting multiple ballots. That democrats are trying to stop republican challengers because they want to hide all their dead voters.

Don’t fall for it people. The polls are not conclusive. No one can stop you from voting even without ID. I’m confident Bush is out, but go and vote anyway. Make it a landslide.

Yes they can if you read the election laws I have posted you will see you are required to produce proof of residence and citizenship when asked.

I would advise all voters to bring ID which proves you live in the county you are voting. State ID, driver's license, SSN, and birth certifcate or citizenship card. If you want your vote to count don't forget.

[Back]

Only some states require ID. I’ll agree with xtc though. Avoid the mess and bring proper ID. Bring everything you have. But, there are provisional ballots where you sign a sworn affidavit as to your identity if you don’t have it.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
ROLFL what a joke Tsa'ah now you are a polling judge something you failed to mention in a debate about voter challenges that took up 1/2 a day.

Irrelevant except to the point I made. I acted as a polling judge in the 2000 general election as did my wife. My wife will again be acting as a polling judge for this general election. The only qualifications for being a polling judge in IL are to be 18, sit through a 30 minute instruction lecture, read a pamphlet, and take a test with that pamphlet in front of you.

For that you get 50 bucks to work the polls for 10 hours. To get 95 you take a more in depth lecture and take a lengthy test afterward, a test that one can refer back to reading material for.

The above qualifiers do not make one an expert in voting laws. Nor do they guarantee the retention of said laws by the judges. Nor do the above qualifiers screen out those that will rebuke qualified voters from one party and allow unqualified voters from another party.


You also claimed partisan challengers made the call on voter eligiblity not election supervisors. I had to quote chapter and verse of election law before you relented. I would have thought Tsa'ah as a polling judge you would have known this.

Selective reading on your part or poor comprehension, I'll let you choose to save face. You should be able to accurately guess what my selection will be.


I have no problem validating both citizenship and address. Hell if you live there a little quiz should be something you should be able to do in your sleep.

When the law states a valid state ID this leads me to believe that one only needs to bring a valid state ID. Voter registration if you can remember where you put it, but the ID confirms your identity when compared to the voter rolls.

Sending a voter away because the ID is not sufficient is voter intimidation. As I explained, it is not likely the voter will return thus one less vote for the competition.

When the laws are changed to include postmarked mail, social security card, birth certificate, pass ports, etc and etc .. then you have an argument. In this however you have none. You, for some asinine reason, are of the belief that the rules are always and explicitly followed.


I have been an observer/voter challenger in four Canadian elections and worked on one campaign in the USA.

My point was you lacked any evidence to support your position. An oath and evidence of residence and citizenship seems to qualify any voter in most states according to election law. I am sure a student can provide evidence of residence in the state. A federal letter, phone bill, energy bill seem to suffice.

Per usual, you missed the point. Apparently stories easily found by a google whore such as yourself are not valid. I need to provide proof? The proof is in the fucking headlines you short bus reject. Do your own research. Hell, I gave you key words to use in the google bar. Think of some more, get crazy, be creative. The stories are out there and they are not at all difficult to find.


Tsa'ah are you saying that on election day there won't be a copy of the election rules at the poll you are working at in fairy land?

Again, the selective reading or lack of comprehension. I have not even suggested that.

There are, however, people that don't always read the signs. In fact, there are millions of them. Go stand by the counter in any fast food restaurant after you have read the menu. Listen to the stupid questions that have the answers laid out right in front of them.

People bank on ignorance on a daily basis. Ignorance is what keeps people in fear. Ignorance is what allows partisan groups to do what they do. Ignorance is why you are still allowed access to the internet.

Do me a favor, read and comment on what I post, not what you think I post.

I highly doubt you have dual citizenship, I highly doubt you have even submitted an absentee ballot.

You can sit behind your keyboard all day and google the rules you want and the articles you want, but it's apparent that your comprehension is for shit and you don't really care to know the full story, just what fits your beliefs and whims at any given moment.

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Ravenstorm]

Speaking of the challenges in Ohio...

NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/politics/campaign/29ohio.html)


During the hearing in Akron, a Democratic board member, Russell Pry, asked a Republican volunteer whether she knew a voter she was challenging or had been to the voter's home.

The volunteer, Barbara Miller, said that she had not. She said someone from the state Republican Party had told her to challenge the voter and several hundred others.Mr. Pry warned that because Ms. Miller had no direct evidence, she could be prosecuted for election falsification. She refused to answer more questions, citing the Fifth Amendment guarantee against self-incrimination.

A transcript of her statements is located here (at an admittedly partisan site):

Scroll down to the testimony. (http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/10/28/192844/76)

So yes, it certainly seems that the Republicans are also digging into their bag of dirty campaign tricks. Only someone willfully ignorant (or a victim of prolonged ingestion of lead) would try to argue otherwise.

Raven

[Iqxero]

Originally posted by xtc
[Gallop polls are painting quite a different picture of electoral votes. They claim if the swing states go to who is leading there then neither candidate will have the required 270 electoral votes to become President.

Does anyone know what would happen in such a situation?

I know this was touched on a bit earlier in the thread, but it could actually be a much more involved and painful process than just being passed on. If they get a tie, than the House votes on the president and the Senate votes for Vice Pres. (Kerry, being a Senator would get a vote on this still, even being a candidate for President) Going of the political lean this could end us up with Bush/Edwards in 2004.

But that's only for the sake of THIS set of people in congress. The Electoral College vote has to be certified on January 6th, after the 109th congress has been sworn in. So It wouldn't even be THIS congress voting.

To screw around a little more, if one of the members of the electoral college uses their vote for someone besides Kerry or Bush, (269-268-1) the twelfth amendment calls for the houses vote to be between the top three candidates. Meaning someone could get a vote, and end up being president without the whole "running for it" thing. Anybody know any voters for the electoral college? You could be president in 2004!

AND to screw us up even more, and drag it out even longer, at least 26 house delegates would have to vote for Bush or Kerry to win presidency. If they couldn't by Jan 20, then the vice president takes over as acting president until the decision can be reached.

Realistically that last one wouldn't happen though, the House is currently 30 ~ 20 that would support Bush, and that number isn't "likely" to change to dramatically with the move to the 109th.

Besides which, if any of the votes out there where angry about the 2000 election, how would you like, essentially, a government that voted itself in to power without need to pay attention to popular vote or any of those other pesky rules and opinions the electoral college voters typically pay attention to.

I honestly hope that there is some sort of clear victory, to either side, this time around. The last thing we need is for nobody to vote in 2008 because we didn't even get to pick the President this year.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
:agrees with Tamral, inwardly cringing:

You crack me up, so much.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by xtc
I hope that story is right. Mary Poppins, Michael Jordan and George Foreman were registered by the Democratic party to vote in Ohio. Let's hope a challenger can ask for proof of residence in the county and citizenship.

Funny I always though Mary Poppins was British.

You don't know if the Democratic party registered these names. There are numerous voting organizations that collected votes in Ohio. The most important thing in all of this is, did you stop to think that the person has to provide some sort of proof if they are a first time voter or registered by mail?

This was simply an effort to get more money by a registration collecter, Ohio is definately not the only place that this has happened. Care to talk about the cases that Sproul and Associates (who incidentally were paid by the RNC directly) for ripping up the registrations for democrats in at least Nevada.

Christ X, you seem shocked and appalled that someone getting paid to collect registrations would put down fictitious names in order to get more money.

:rolleyes:

[Betheny]

I voted :)

The wait wasn't bad, they are prepared for the amount of people voting.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
So yes, it certainly seems that the Republicans are also digging into their bag of dirty campaign tricks. Only someone willfully ignorant (or a victim of prolonged ingestion of lead) would try to argue otherwise.

Raven

Only someone willfully ignorant would believe dirty tricks are reserved for only one party.

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
So yes, it certainly seems that the Republicans are also digging into their bag of dirty campaign tricks. Only someone willfully ignorant (or a victim of prolonged ingestion of lead) would try to argue otherwise.

Raven

Only someone willfully ignorant would believe dirty tricks are reserved for only one party.

Why are you trying to convince people that they have to be as bad as some really dishonest people? That argument dosen’t wash with me. It makes you feel better at my expense. Sorry, PB. Its unjustified, untrue, and if you follow that line of thinking all the way through, we’re all fucked.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
Why are you trying to convince people that they have to be as bad as some really dishonest people? That argument dosen’t wash with me. It makes you feel better at my expense. Sorry, PB. Its unjustified, untrue, and if you follow that line of thinking all the way through, we’re all fucked.

Because your notion that only Republicans do things wrong.. that Democrats are above question and reproach makes you a dumb fuck in my book.

[Wezas]

Listening to Howard Stern this morning - one of the shows producers called in after voting. He was saying how they were not checking ID's. He said that he was able to visibly see the ledger book and memorized 4 of the names. He could have easily voted multiple times.

That is just frightening.

In VA, they checked my ID and then asked me to verbally confirm my address.

What about other PCers in other states? What kind of security?

[CrystalTears]

I voted this morning here in New London, CT. No line, no waiting. Presented my ID, they announced my address and name so that it could be looked up, checked me off and I got in the booth. We were in and out in about 10 minutes.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I voted this morning here in New London, CT. No line, no waiting. Presented my ID, they announced my address and name so that it could be looked up, checked me off and I got in the booth. We were in and out in about 10 minutes.

Hey CT?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas
Listening to Howard Stern this morning - one of the shows producers called in after voting. He was saying how they were not checking ID's. He said that he was able to visibly see the ledger book and memorized 4 of the names. He could have easily voted multiple times.

That is just frightening.

In VA, they checked my ID and then asked me to verbally confirm my address.

What about other PCers in other states? What kind of security?

One thing around here is that 'snow birds' are coming down here to vote and they vote by absentee ballot back in their northern home state... thus voting twice.

I simply do not get it. Why can't we just simply put together a huge database.. when you vote, your name gets checked off the list.. thus making it impossible to vote twice.

Voter fraud is rampant. There needs to be some serious election reform in this country or by god, I'm going to be DISENFRANCHISED!!!

[Parkbandit]

Don't answer Wezas CT.. you'll be sorry.

[Betheny]

Or, as your candidate would say, Disenfranterchated.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I voted this morning here in New London, CT. No line, no waiting. Presented my ID, they announced my address and name so that it could be looked up, checked me off and I got in the booth. We were in and out in about 10 minutes.

Hey CT?

What? :?:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by Wezas
Hey CT?

What? :?:

Congrats on your 5000th post.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Wezas
Listening to Howard Stern this morning - one of the shows producers called in after voting. He was saying how they were not checking ID's. He said that he was able to visibly see the ledger book and memorized 4 of the names. He could have easily voted multiple times.

That is just frightening.

In VA, they checked my ID and then asked me to verbally confirm my address.

What about other PCers in other states? What kind of security?

Its interesting. I didn't have to give any ID to vote. The ledger was also infront of me where I could see any of the names/signatures. All I had to do was sign my name 3 times. None of which matched the signature on my voter registration card from a few years ago. It's kind of scary when you think about it.

[Tsa`ah]

Polling is taking place in my daughters' school so I was able to do my morning routine unhindered.

Here, WITH NO POLLING SUPERVISOR BECAUSE THE ENTIRE STATE IS UNDERSTAFFED!!!111OMG!!1!OMG!1!!!11, you have to write out your name and address on a card and then sign the card, the judge attending the cards compares ID info and signature to the info on the card, announces your name and passes your ID back to you. The next judge takes the card, checks against the rolls, fills out additional info on the card, asks for your address, asks for your ID, checks you off and passes you down. The third judge takes your card, gives you a ballot and tells you to GTFO of his face and vote. The fourth judge smiles real pretty like, takes your ballot after you're done voting, tears off the top stub and puts it in a box, places the ballot in the ballot box, and then asks you if you want a "I voted" sticker.

Keep in mind all of the above takes place with each judge thinking "OMG!!1!!! OMG1!!1! OMG!!!1!!11! WE DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISOR! WE DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISOR! WE DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISOR! OMG OMG OMG!!!1!1!!11"


[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Wezas]

I'm glad they now ask if you want a sticker.

4 years ago one of those bastards put one on my soft black leather coat.

I bitched him out. And yes, the coat still has an oval mark on it.

[CrystalTears]

No voting cards here. Just your state ID. If you registered with an address that matches the one on your ID, there's nothing to contest or worry about. You go in the booth (one of the old style, flip the lever to open/close the curtain and flip switches) and vote. Guy standing next to it gives you a voting sticker. Easy peasy, Japanesey. One of the many perks of voting in Connecticut, I found. :D

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Wezas
I'm glad they now ask if you want a sticker.

4 years ago one of those bastards put one on my soft black leather coat.

I bitched him out. And yes, the coat still has an oval mark on it.

Those bastards! Where the fuck is FOX news when you need them?

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Those bastards! Where the fuck is FOX news when you need them?

They're busy being fair and unbias.

And possibly looking to do follow-ups on "ASIAN GANGS!" and "OOOZING BLACK RUNOFF!" (and other local stories hyped to scare people)

::edited because bias <> unbias.... except in one case::

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Wezas]

What time do the polls close today?

- Arkans

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

7 pm in MO and KS

Edit: Though I heard on the news that if you are in line at 7 PM, you will be able to vote.

PS - Employers are required by law to allow you to vote.

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Ah okay. I'll tell my boss that's I gotta go vote then. Phew.

- Arkans

[Wezas]

In Mass it's 7am - 8pm (however I see a "No Later Than" symbol that probably means you better vote by 8pm. The only other state with a NLT is Alabama)

http://www.rockthevote.com/polling_times.php

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
So yes, it certainly seems that the Republicans are also digging into their bag of dirty campaign tricks. Only someone willfully ignorant (or a victim of prolonged ingestion of lead) would try to argue otherwise.

Raven

Only someone willfully ignorant would believe dirty tricks are reserved for only one party.

You might want to reread my post for its actual content. Specifically, the part that states:


Republicans are also digging

You do realize that the word 'also' in that sentence means 'in addition to'? And that it doesn't take a master at cryptography to figure out that in what's basically a two party system, the addition would logically be the Democratic party?

Raven

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Wezas

What about other PCers in other states? What kind of security?

In Ohio, I was asked my name and then asked to recite my address and then I had to sign the book in a spot that had my registration signature right next to it. Pretty easy way to compare the signatures and hence issue challenges if the signatures don't match.

My daughter voted in another county and had a harder time. She was at the wrong polling place and was given the number to the Board of Elections, called and they directed her to the appropriate polling spot. There she was asked her name, for her ID and questioned about how long she lived at that address - her registration was right there in the book. She witnessed the poll worker turning away people who were in the wrong precinct without even bothering to give them the Board of Election ph# which is contrary to their strict instructions. She did blurt out to a couple that they could call the Board of Elections, but was cut off by the poll worker who said that they should know where they should be going. She ended up calling the Board of Elections in the same county and complained about the poll worker. I guess I taught her well.