Findings: adventurer's guild badge costs, limitations, progression

[Goat]

Conclusion 1: For a single boost, the cost is base value * multiplier for the boost level
There is a base value for every boost, and then a multiplier for the amount of bonus. The multiplier is fixed for all boosts.

Example base values:
MoC bonus | 480
Strength stat | 320
Pole bonus | 240
CM bonus | 240
Agility stat | 240
swimming bonus | 80
MoC is the highest I've found; climb/swim the lowest.

Multiplier table:
+1 | x1
+2 | x3
+3 | x6
+4 | x10
+5 | x15
+6 | x21
+7 | x28
+8 | x36
+9 | x45
+10 | x55
Note the multiplier is a seed 1 summation.


So, e.g. +6 Pole is 240 * 21 = 5040 points to recharge.

There is also a minimum recharge cost of 1000 points.

This holds for Pole, CM, MoC, and swimming (all bonuses) and STR stat. I welcome others to replicate/invalidate the findings on other skills/stats or to extend the work to skill ranks/stat bonus.

Edit: The numbers flow much more naturally if I double the base and halve the multiplier compared to what I originally posted.

[Goat]

(Conclusion 0: I posted this a while back on gswiki, crossposting here for completeness)
32 badge upgrades are required to enhance 3 stats/skills (possible at 1.19 million lifetime bounty points with 7/7/6/6/6 upgrades). At 31 upgrades, it is impossible to do even +1 first aid bonus, +1 climbing bonus, and +1 swimming bonus. There is a similar threshold at a lower number of upgrades for enhancing 2 stats/skills. I think it was around 16 upgrades but I didn't track it closely then.

Edit - this has been debunked. Read further on in the thread. It is apparently better to go 7/3/0/0/0, then 7/7/7/0/0

Edit again 4 years later - I guess we decided 6/4/0/0/0 is the fastest to second upgrade.

[Goat]

Conclusion 2: When you add multiple boosts, the recharge cost is the sum of the individual recharge cost for each boost.

+10 MOC | 26400
+10 Pole | 13200
+10 CM | 13200
+10 AGI | 13200
+10 MOC/+10 Pole | 39600
+10 MOC/+CM | 39600
+10 Pole/+10 CM | 26400
+10 Pole/+10 CM/+10 AGI | 39600

I welcome others to replicate/invalidate the findings on other skills/stats or to extend the work to skill ranks/stat bonus.

[Goat]

Conclusion 3: There is a maximum recharge cost allowed for a badge given the number of upgrades it has. (In addition to the limitation on how many boosts are possible - see Conclusion 0)

With 32 upgrades, I set a badge to +10 pole and +10 CM and saw how much of other skills I could add.
Third Skill | Resulting Costs
+9 AGI | 37200
+6 MoC | 36480
+4 STR bonus | 37600
+8 STR | 37920
+7 WIS bonus | 37600
+3 WISb | 35040
+9 Dodge | 37200
Couldn't seem to get any config beyond 37920 cost (though I neglected to set up a test with climb or swim, which would've been the highest resolution available).

With 33 upgrades, I have several configs available with 39600 cost:
Boosts | Cost
+10 pole/+10 CM/+10 AGI | 39600
+10 pole/+10 CM/+5 AGIb | 39600
+10 MOC/+10 CM | 39600
+10 MOC/+9 CM/+5 PP | 39600
+10 MOC/+9 CM/+5 trade | 39600
+10 MOC/+9 CM/+5 FA | 39600

Couldn't find any config to go past 39600. Adding a +1 climb bonus adds just 80 bp to the ercharge cost of a badge, but I couldn't add it to +10 MOC/+10 CM, suggesting 39600 is a true cap - or at least somewhere in the range [39600,39680).

[Goat]

Conclusion 4: The 1000 bp badge recharge minimum applies to the badge as a whole, not to each individual boost.

+1 climb | 1000
+1 swim | 1000
+1 climb/+1 swim | 1000

I welcome others to replicate/invalidate the findings on other skills/stats or to extend the work to skill ranks/stat bonus.

[SHAFT]

God damnit goat

[Malisai]

Nice work!

[Goat]

Conclusion 5: badge recharges are cheaper than perm enhancive recharges but more expensive than crumbly enhancive recharges.

item | crumbly? | boost | cost to recharge | cost to recharge same badge
longcoat | persists | +5 STR bonus / +8 pole bonus | 27540 | 25440
talisman | persists | +2 AUR stat | 1620 | 1440
boots | crumbly | +3 WIS stat / +3 DIS stat | 2640 | 3840


Pretty small sample size on this one, and I haven't figured out the ratios (note the ratio is different between longcoat and talisman) but I'm satisfied enough.

[DaCapn]

In case you hadn't seen these:

AdG Badge Recharge Costs (Droit) : http://forum.gsplayers.com/archive/index.php/t-39905.html
AdG Badge Testing (Fallen) : http://forum.gsplayers.com/archive/index.php/t-25218.html

[Goat]

Thanks for the links, I hadn't seen them first-hand but some of the findings have made their way to the wiki. When I move some of my stuff over there I may update based on those as well (especially the costs per boost).

[Candor]

Thanks for the info - nice work!

[Geijon Khyree]

I swear this is 3 upgrades where I expected to unlock the 2nd stat.

You have accumulated a total of 470073 lifetime bounty points.

Falstronne says, "You need to earn 59927 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
MATERIAL
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 49927 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
DEVICE
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 49927 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
MOTIF
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 39927 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
GEM
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 39927 more bounty points before I upgrade that."

This puts my badge at 5/4/4/3/3 I think.

Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... I reckon it could enhance your Two-Handed Weapons Bonus by as much as 10 points in this state."

Combat Maneuvers Bonus
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Combat Maneuvers Bonus in this state."

Combat Maneuvers Ranks
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Combat Maneuvers Ranks in this state."

[gilchristr]

I'm going for 7/0/0/0/0 - going to see if it lets me unlock a second enhancive. Ill try +3 mana recovery and +3 CM bonus (highest bonus I can get, not yet 40)

Currently 50k away...

[elcidcannon]

I took my badge to 1/1/1/1/1 and collected the boost limit for each skill/stat/mana/spirit boost.

I did the same for 2/2/2/2/2 and 3/3/2/2/2 (when my badge got maxed out). Would this be good info to organize and post?

[elcidcannon]

bump?

[Geijon Khyree]

20th badge upgrade

You have accumulated a total of 511149 lifetime bounty points.

This puts me at 5/4/4/4/3

Falstronne says, "What part of your badge would you like to upgrade? You can ASK me to UPGRADE the BINDING, the MATERIAL, the DEVICE on the left side, the MOTIF on the right side, or the GEM."
>BINDING
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 58851 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
>MATERIAL
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 48851 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
>DEVICE
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 48851 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
>MOTIF
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 48851 more bounty points before I upgrade that."
>GEM
Falstronne says, "You need to earn 38851 more bounty points before I upgrade that."


>Combat Maneuvers Bonus
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Combat Maneuvers Bonus in this state."

>Combat Maneuvers Ranks
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Combat Maneuvers Ranks in this state."

Or cheaper skills
>Swimming Bonus
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Swimming Bonus in this state."

>Strength
Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Strength in this state."

razzlefrazzlerbervwvwev!

Back to work on upgrade #21.

[gilchristr]

So, geigon... you werent able to get a second enhancive at 20 upgrades, upgrading evenly.

However, in this thread, someone fully upgraded a single aspect (10 upgrades), and it seems to imply that he could get a second enhanicve. He states, "whether or not I can train in two enhancive abilities ..."

I'm stilling heading towards 7, 0, 0, 0, 0 ... only 10k away now. I will post when that upgrade path gets me a second enhancive.

[gilchristr]

OK, I reached 0, 0, 0, 0, 7 on my badge (I upgrade the gem 7 times) ... I tried to add a second enhancive (climbing) to my mana recovery orb, and that duane says that my badge can't handle that much power.

[Geijon Khyree]

I hit 21 and didnt post. No upgrade yet

[gilchristr]

Geijon at your 21st did you go from 5/4/4/4/3 to 5/4/4/4/4?

[Geijon Khyree]

Yep. I think im close to 22. I can check later.

[Geijon Khyree]

Here is another upgrade.

You have accumulated a total of 600201 lifetime bounty points.

Falstronne takes your ebonwood badge to a small workbench and spends a moment working on it with a strange set of gleaming metal tools. He soon hands it back with a weary sigh. "Congratulations," he drones. "And if you want to put a new decoration on it, you can ask me to CHANGE it."

5/5/4/4/4

Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... I reckon it could enhance your Combat Maneuvers Ranks by as much as 2 points in this state."

Falstronne takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Two-Handed Weapons Bonus... I reckon it could enhance your Combat Maneuvers Bonus by as much as 10 points in this state."

Finally!

[gilchristr]

Jesus. I am at 1-1-1-1-7 and still no second enhancive.

I am going to try 8-0-0-0-0, about 27k points away.

I thought about trying 7-3-0-0-0 as that would be 10 upgrades on the first two components, maybe Ill do that too.

[gilchristr]

Geigon - did you get the second enhancive responsive to upgrading from 5-5-4-4-3 (to 5-5-4-4-4), or did you get the second enhancive responsive to upgrading from 5-4-4-4-4 (to 5-5-4-4-4)?

And I assume you checked 5-5-4-4-3 or 5-4-4-4-4 before upgrading and couldnt get a second enhancive at that time.

[gilchristr]

Geigon is my question clear? I think depending on your answer it might shed some light on whether or not it is the value of the highest two upgrades that affects when the second enhancive is granted. (I mean if you got the second enhancive in response to your last 3->4 upgrade, then clearly it is NOT the value of the first two slots that affected.

[gilchristr]

ha ha ha, in your face upgrade badge evenly camp, I just got my second badge enhancive at 7-3-0-0-0!!

Duane takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Multi Opponent Combat Bonus... I reckon it could enhance your Climbing Bonus by as much as 4 points in this state."

[gilchristr]

"32 badge upgrades are required to enhance 3 stats/skills (possible at 1.19 million lifetime bounty points with 7/7/6/6/6 upgrades). At 31 upgrades, it is impossible to do even +1 first aid bonus, +1 climbing bonus, and +1 swimming bonus."

Here is what I think. It wasn't the 32nd upgrade that allowed you to get the third enhancive, it was the fact that you went from having only one component at 7, to having two components at 7, possibly combined with the fact that you went from 19 to 20 total on your first three components.

Look at your highest three components. At 31 upgrades, they were at 7/6/6, and you could get only two enhancives. When you got to 7/7/6, you got the third upgrade.

I speculate that 7/7/6/0/0 might unlock three upgrades at modest bonuses each.


EDIT - posted here ... I propose someone get their badge to 7/7/0/0/0, and then upgrade the third component one at a time to see exactly which step provides access to the third enhancive. Is it going to be the first step, or the sixth? (for instance)
http://www.tinyheroes.com/forums/GemStone%20IV/Organizations%20and%20Societies/Adventurers%20Guild/thread/1705054

[elcidcannon]

How many lifetime bounty points is that?

[Gnomad]

It's 10k more each time per category, right? So 7 should cost 280k each, 6 210k. So 7/7/6/0/0 would be 770k BPs. Too rich for my dude's blood or I'd try it.

[elcidcannon]

Thanks....I guess I could have done the math myself lol

[Gnomad]

Yeah, I was running the numbers to see if I could do it and figured I might as well post them, heh

[Candor]

I am one upgrade short of having everything at level 9. The upgrades really slow down once you progress this far. About once a month I check where I am with bounty points and do an upgrade if available. But at this point, the additional rewards are minimal and I don't pay much attention to the whole thing. I am far more interested in finishing lock mastery.

[gilchristr]

Geigon is total is only 20k away from 7/7/3/0/0.


We could trying goading him to doing it ...

[Candor]

Geigon is total is only 20k away from 7/7/3/0/0.

Perhaps my knowledge is out-of-date (which admittedly has happened), but isn't it better to upgrade evenly?

[elcidcannon]

Perhaps my knowledge is out-of-date (which admittedly has happened), but isn't it better to upgrade evenly?

that's what this thread is trying to determine. Gilchristr is having success using the contrary method.

[droit]

When the AG was released, some GM said that upgrading the badge evenly was the fastest way to unlock it. It was pretty quickly shown that he was wrong, but the misconception has persisted.

[Candor]

When the AG was released, some GM said that upgrading the badge evenly was the fastest way to unlock it. It was pretty quickly shown that he was wrong, but the misconception has persisted.

I took my badge to 7/0/0/0/0 before deciding I wanted to upgrade evenly just...well...because. Neither my second nor my third enhancive were unlocked when people said it was supposed to happen (the second occurred sooner and the third occurred later). I decided no one knew what they were talking about. If someone is actually determining how this works, I would appreciate the info.

[Geijon Khyree]

Hm. Id be willing to try. I think id lose my charges and have to redesign/build the badge but what is the boost we want to test?

[gilchristr]

Well I for one would be interested in when you can get any three any enhancives. I think you can reconfigure the bonus as much as you want, so long as you dont waste charging it.

EDIT - you are correct that you will look your charges. And I didnt know you could redesign a badge, I personally have just been dropping them on the ground and asking for a new one everytime I wanted to redesign. I dont think I was ever charged for asking for a new badge, but I tried to wait a while between "losing" them.

If so, in that case, try putting +1 climb bonus, and +1 swim bonus on the badge at 7/3/0/0/0, and take it incrementally up to 7/7/0/0/0, after each step checking to see if you can add say +1 max mana.

If you cant add it (and I suspect you won't), then take the badge to 7/7/1, and try to add. Keep uping the badge incrimentally checking each time from there as high as you can, until you can add the third enhancive.

EDIT - I had been incrimentally increasing my badge from 7/0/0/0/0 each time asking to add +1 climb bonus, and I got it at 7/3/0/0/0. I then declined to add the climbing bonus (it was the first time he said I could). I was able to max out both enhancives for my level (forty one), i.e. able to get +4 MOC bonus and +2 strength bonus.


Hopefully there will be a pay off for you (maybe you will be able to get a third enhancive at 7/7/3/0/0 for testing it). You probably won't be able to get +10 in each category, but I guess you'll see if you want to try. Nobody really knows since (or nobody who knows has shared) ... most posts I read were about upgrading badges evenly.

[gilchristr]

OK so while 7-3-0-0-0 gave me a second enhancive, just tested and 7-3-3-0-0 did not give me a third enhancive.

I will try 7-7-3-0-0 eventually, but if someone else is redoing their badge anyway and could test that now, would be awesome of you!

[gilchristr]

Ok 7/3/0/0/0 at 340k bounty points unlocked a second enhancive for avignon too (he got +2 aur bonus and +2 agility bonus instead of my +2 str bonus and +4 MOC bonus).

[Haldrik]

(Conclusion 0: I posted this a while back on gswiki, crossposting here for completeness)
32 badge upgrades are required to enhance 3 stats/skills (possible at 1.19 million lifetime bounty points with 7/7/6/6/6 upgrades). At 31 upgrades, it is impossible to do even +1 first aid bonus, +1 climbing bonus, and +1 swimming bonus. There is a similar threshold at a lower number of upgrades for enhancing 2 stats/skills. I think it was around 16 upgrades but I didn't track it closely then.

This is officially debunked.

I hit 3 bonuses today with 7/7/7/0/0 840k lifetime bounty points. Thanks go to Witbier/gilchristr for starting the initial questioning and push for answers.

[Goat]

I guess I never subscribed to my own thread - missed all of this discussion over the past few months. I definitely should've said 7/7/6/6/6 was sufficient for 3 skills, not that it was necessary. I started from some faulty work that was on the TALK page of https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Talk:Adventurer%27s_Guild_Badge at some point, without validating it.

[Goat]

Per previous post:
Max BP cost at 32 upgrades: ~37920
Max BP cost at 33 upgrades: 39600

New data:
Max BP cost at 37 upgrades: <45120
Max BP cost at 38 upgrades: >45120

This is with even-as-possible upgrades across all 5 badge slots.

[gilchristr]

Today, upon reaching 50, I did a badge with +5 aura stat and +5 mana recovery. I needed the following badge combination for this: 7-3-3-2-1

7-3-3-1-1 only give +5 aura stat, +4 mana recovery

[Carsyn]

I'm level 81. Wanting to get +7 CON stat and +2 CON bonus on my badge.

Looks like my desired path from reading this thread would be 7/3/0/0/0. Is that correct?

And then, if I'm not able to get a full +7 stat and +2 bonus, should I approach 7/7/0/0/0 or 7/3/1/1/1?

Great info by the way. Should be referenced in the wiki!

[gilchristr]

I dont think you can do stat bonus on a badge that already gives a bonus to stat. Hopefully that wasnt as confusing as fuck, but I stated it right I think (anyway, dont think you can do CON bonus and CON stat).

Since you in the eighth decade, I would suggest that start with +4 to con bonus, which is the most con you can get from your badge (and more efficient than +8 to con stat).

Yes, if you do 7/3/0/0/0 then you will be eligible for a second enhancive. May i suggest max stamina? Do the con bonus first, and then see if you can get +16 max stamina (2x of your decade ... I was able to get +9 max stamina before my fifth decade). If he tells you your badge can't handle that much power, I would imagine he will get you do some max stamina just not as high as I think you can get. If I am correct, and you still ahve enough points to do more upgrades, now start always selecting the cheapest upgrade to unlock up to +16 max stamina. For instance, try 7/3/1/1/1 ... do you get the idea?

[Carsyn]

I dont think you can do stat bonus on a badge that already gives a bonus to stat. Hopefully that wasnt as confusing as fuck, but I stated it right I think (anyway, dont think you can do CON bonus and CON stat).

Yeah I gotcha. That kinda ruins my master plan though! Was hoping to get +stat and +bonus both on Constitution...

By saying "more efficient" to do a +4 bonus instead of +8 stat, do you mean cheaper to recharge? What's their reasoning behind making +1 bonus cheaper than +2 stat?

[gilchristr]

"...do you mean cheaper to recharge?" Yes. And I think it "leaves more room" for the second enhancive to be bigger than +8 to stat would.

"What's their reasoning behind making +1 bonus cheaper than +2 stat?" [cricket noises]

[Roblar]

I'll take a guess.

The reasoning could perhaps be that enhancing stat gives some more flexibility in reaching thresholds at +1 per while bonus at +2 per could lead to inefficiencies and excess recharging of amounts not needed or past enhancive caps?

Like a game of Tetris and the right blocks ;)

Or, perhaps the system that most commonly tie in are to stats not bonus (or were), not sure.

[gilchristr]

Roblar is it true that the treasure system will never generate an item having both 1) bonus to stat bonus and 2) bonus to stat of the same stat?

Also, now I am curious can you use the spire to end up with an enhancive that gives both 1) bonus to stat bonus and 2) bonus to stat of the same stat?

[Roblar]

I've never seen one, so pretty sure impossible by now (through treasure system).

A fusion item can accomplish with an orb of each to same stat or skill.

I don't see why not at Sylinar. Most people combine but if you have an item with varying stat types yet within in each grouping, you can probably manipulate it to be both stat and bonus of the same type.

So, say you have a pin with +5 AGI and +2 CON Bonus, I don't see why you couldn't make the CON Bonus into AGI Bonus, ending with +5 AGI & +2 AGO Bonus. You just couldn't combine them since they were both not bonus (or stat) within group B.




5. Enhancive swapping within these categories:

A. Strength to Wisdom (one to another)
B. Constitution, Dexterity, Agility, or Discipline (any one to another)
C. Logic, Intuition, or Influence (any one to another)
D. Any Weapons Skill plus Spell Aiming, Except TWC or Multi-Opponent Combat, (any one to another)
E. Magic Item Use to Arcane Symbols (one to another)
F. Mana Controls - Elemental, Spiritual, Mental (one to another)
G. Any Lores (any one to another)


https://gswiki.play.net/Sylinar%27s_Spire


I never really thought to try, I prefer combining or only doing bonus not stat (or for skill, ranks)

[gilchristr]

So Kalros confirmed that 7/7/7 can do a third enhancive, but I still dont think anyone has reported whether 7/7/3/0/0 can give a third enhancive, which seems like a worthy idea to check since the second came at 7/3/0/0/0.

I think 620k lifetime bounty is needed to test that; im still 80k away.

[Stavman]

So I just did my test
7/3/0/0/0 got me my second enhancive, nothing more at 7/5/0/0/0

[SashaFierce]

I have never used a badge. I plan to go get a badge now. Would anyone like to use my bounty upgrades for testing purposes?

You have accumulated a total of 1335368 lifetime bounty points.

+7 Polearm Weapons Bonus available at 6/0/0/0/0
+7 Polearm Weapons Bonus AND +5 Strength Stat/+2 Str Bonus available at 6/4/0/0/0

At 10/6/0/0/0

+10 Polearm Weapons Bonus Available - +8 Strength Stat/4 Str Bonus available

At 10/6/2/2/1:

+10 Strength Stat/5 Bonus Available

At 10/6/4/3/3:

3 enhancives available

Aura 2 bonus or 5 stat

Ran out at 10/6/5/6/6 -
Couldn't get the 3rd enhancive to +5 aura bonus.

[gilchristr]

Well it looks like you two tried everything except 7/7/3/0/0! (the first guy probably didnt have enough points to test this, like me).

Interesting that you got a second enhancive at 6/4/0/0/0. I think thats a little cheaper than 7/3/0/0/0, so that should help someone get their second enhancive earlier! So looks like you can get a second enhancive at 310k (previously I thought 340k was the minimum)

[gilchristr]

OK, I also tested 6/4/0/0/0, and I was also able to get a second enhancive. At 53 trains, I got the max of +5 brawling bonus, and was also about to add 70% of max stamina (which is 7 for my trains). So sashafierce found a new minimum combination to get a second enhancive (310k lifetime bounty points), thanks! Taking the badge up to 6/4/4/0/0 allowed me to get 100% of max stamina (+10 for my training) on the badge with the +5 brawling bonus.

However, 6/6/4/0/0 did not yield a third enhancive, nor did 6/6/5/0/0. Ill post again when I have enough points to try 6/6/6/0/0 when I get to 630k bounty points (it would be kind of funny if 666, the number of the beast, was the minimum for a third enhancive).

If 6/6/6/0/0 (630k bounty points) does not yield a third enhancive, ill throw my badge away and get a new one at 7/7/3/0/0.

[Boora]

6/4/0/0/0 confirmed 2nd enhancive.

6/6/6/0/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/0/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/6/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/6/3 did not grant 3rd enhancive.


Asking for a 2nd new badge during this test:

Duane says, "We gave you a badge not too long ago. Why don't you look for that one? If you still can't find it after a reasonable length of time, I suppose we can give you a new one."

After glancing around and lowering his voice, he continues, "Or I could let you have it now if you were to give me, say, 10000 of your bounty points."

[You have requested a new badge. The cost is 10000 bounty points. You must CONFIRM this option.]


When I am able to get a new badge at no cost, I'll try 7/7/3/0/0.

[gilchristr]

"After glancing around and lowering his voice, he continues, "Or I could let you have it now if you were to..."

Hilarious!

Im only 12k away from trying 7/7/3/0/0, will post with results.

[Boora]

2 days + and still unable to get a new badge.

[Boora]

Still unable to get a new badge without the surcharge. Did someone say it is possible to rebuild your badge?

[gilchristr]

OK made it to 620k. 7/7/3/0/0 did not unlock a third enhancive:

"Duane takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Max Stamina... Brawling Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Climbing Bonus in this state.""

[zephyrii]

So in summary:

Cheapest 2 enhancive is 6/4/0/0/0
Cheapest (known) 3rd enhancive is 7/7/7/0/0

Looks like the first 2 upgrade categories are most important for adding the 2nd enhancive while the first 3 upgrade categories are important for the 3rd upgrade.

One interesting data point is that 10/6/4/3/3 allowed 3rd enhancive whereas 10/6/2/2/1 did not. So looks like the 2nd/3rd upgrade doesn't need to be 7/7/ if the first one is >7.

Perhaps its by total points in the first two or three upgrade categories?

7/2 = 310,000 BP (NO)
7/3 = 340,000 BP (YES)
6/4 = 310,000 BP (YES) (not sure why this one worked by 7/2 did not)

7/7/6 = 770,000 BP (NO)
7/7/7 = 840,000 BP (YES)
10/6/2 = 790,000 BP (NO)
10/6/4 = 860,000 BP (YES)

So looks like the cutoff is generally around 310k for 2nd and ~840k for 3rd.

I'm guessing the upgrades after the first 2 or 3 categories are to enhance the amount the 2nd or 3rd enhancive can go up by.

If the cutoff numbers follow this pattern, here's a test proposal:

8/8/2 = 750k (should not work)
8/8/3 = 780k (should not work)
8/8/4 = 820k (could work but unlikely)
8/8/5 = 870k (should work based on the cutoff idea)

Also:

10/0 = 550k - (in theory could work for 2nd enhancive but may not depending on how they code it)
9/1 = 460k - in theory should work

Anyone able to try?

[hello]

Bit of a necro; how many BPs does it take for the full 32 upgrades? And is there a chart for base values on all skills and stats?

Also, what the heck happens to your badge when you lose it? Start all over? OMG.

[gilchristr]

Started my badge over, took it to 2-2-2-2-1 (need 270k lifetime) ... allowed me to add +1 spirit recovery. Just as fallen said in a post in the long long ago. Looks like info still correct

[gilchristr]

If you want to get the third enhancive as soon as possible, take your badge to 7/7/6 (770k lifetime bounty points).

7/7/5/0/0 did not work.
6/6/4 did not work.
6/6/6 did not work.



Duane takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Max Stamina... Brawling Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Climbing Bonus in this state."
>ask duane about upgrade device
Duane takes your ceramic badge to a small workbench and spends a moment working on it with a strange set of gleaming metal tools. He soon hands it back with a weary sigh. "Congratulations," he drones. "And if you want to put a new decoration on it, you can ask me to CHANGE it."
>ask duane about boost 115
Duane takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Max Stamina... Brawling Bonus... It won't be able to enhance your Climbing Bonus in this state."
>ask duane about upgrade device
Duane takes your ceramic badge to a small workbench and spends a moment working on it with a strange set of gleaming metal tools. He soon hands it back with a weary sigh. "Congratulations," he drones. "And if you want to put a new decoration on it, you can ask me to CHANGE it."
>ask duane about boost 115
Duane takes your badge and peers at it through a large green crystal lens. He says, "Hm, I see this already enhances Max Stamina... Brawling Bonus... I reckon it could enhance your Climbing Bonus by as much as 5 points in this state."

[gilchristr]

I think the rule is this, and its simple folks:

You need 10 upgrades spread amoungst no more than two parts to unlock second enhancive (so 7/3 works, 6/4, perhaps even 10 on a single component works).

You need 20 upgrades spread amoungst no more than three parts to unlock third enhancive (so 7/7/6 works, perhaps 10/10/0 would work I dont know).

[Dazmar]

I fully charged my badge 13 days ago and this morning I upgraded the binding and a few other badge materials, when I went out to hunt I found my badge was dead of charges. I did not change any enhancive properties. Is that normal or just random happenstance?

[gilchristr]

If you left your badge on for 13 days straight (and you have keep alive so you were logged in the whole time), and didnt use an inventory off or anything, then no nothing surprising about your badge being dead. Hopefully you arent missing any crumbly enhancives...

[Boora]

See below...

[Boora]

Duane says, "Are you sure? You should already have a badge, and if I were to give you a new one, the old one would cease functioning."

[You have requested a new badge. You must CONFIRM this option.]

Since 2/18, I've been granted the option to get a new badge. Perhaps 90 days is the limit without paying the 10k BP - that's speculation. I will perform the 7-7-7 ritual shortly.

[gilchristr]

Its 7-7-6!

You would be better going to 7-7-6-3-2 if you have enough for 7-7-7-0-0. Better because you have just enough upgrades to the first three to unlock third enhancive, and you have more total upgrades, say 25 vs 21 (total upgrades are for the power of each enhancive).

[Goat]

6/4/0/0/0 confirmed 2nd enhancive.

6/6/6/0/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/0/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/6/0 did not grant 3rd enhancive.
7/6/6/6/3 did not grant 3rd enhancive.


According to my old notes, 7/6/6/6/6 did not grant 3rd enhancive either.

I guess the only remaining question, for third enhancive, is whether something like 8/7/5 would work (per the recent conjecture that it's "20 upgrade spread across top 3 slots"). But that's more expensive, so it doesn't make much sense to worry about it.

[zephyrii]

I guess if its truly a 10 and 20 across 3 categories - then shouldn't 5/5 work for the 2nd enhancive? Anyone tried that?

[spraggeth]

I am currently 7/7/7/0/0. Is that the max benefit or where do you go from there? Was trying to get Aura bonus but it is a bit more expensive or can you only take it up to +4 aura bonus?

[Ososis]

I am currently 7/7/7/0/0. Is that the max benefit or where do you go from there? Was trying to get Aura bonus but it is a bit more expensive or can you only take it up to +4 aura bonus?

You can get +5 bonus, +10skill, +10 rank, +10 STAM/MANA recovery, +2 spirit recovery. If you can't get the full amount on your badge, you need more upgrades.

[spraggeth]

I can get a +5 bonus on every stat except Aura I believe. What is best to upgrade after 7/7/7? Start on the 0s? Or add to the 7s?

[Ososis]

I can get a +5 bonus on every stat except Aura I believe. What is best to upgrade after 7/7/7? Start on the 0s? Or add to the 7s?

Thats a medical question and I am not a medical doctor. That being said, MY understanding is that high levels (yours 7's) are best for unlocking the 2nd and 3rd enhancive slots. As to badge POWER, that is based on total number of upgrades. So if you have all 3 enhancives, then you should always upgrade the cheapest one (your 0's) as each one is equal in terms of badge power. But again, not a medical doctor.

My badge has been maxed out for a long while, but a good while before it was I had my +10 blunt/strength/dex badge, so depending on what your goals are you may hit them long before max badgery.

[spraggeth]

Thanks for the advice. Ultimately wanting to up my CS a bit more. Thanks for the advice. I'll upgrade them zeros!

[gilchristr]

You would be better going to 7-7-6-3-2 if you have enough for 7-7-7-0-0. Better because you have just enough upgrades to the first three to unlock third enhancive, and you have more total upgrades, say 25 vs 21 (total upgrades are for the power of each enhancive).

[Samire]

I know this is an old thread but I would like clarification on the fastest past to the 2nd enhancive. It's mentioned a couple times in this thread that 6/4/0/0/0 would yield the 2nd, yet the second post is edited to go with 7/3/0/0/0. Is everyone aligned that 6/4/0/0/0 really is the fastest?

[Derex]

Download the script

Badge

[gilchristr]

6/4/0/0/0 really is the fastest

[Goat]

Cool, I have edited the second post.

[Samire]

Thanks for the responses and confirmation.

BTW, I checked out the badge script on the repo. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like it suggests upgrading your badge evenly which isn't the recommendation here.

[Ewayn]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I've looked and haven't seen this explicitly answered. Can you get more than 3 stats boosted on your badge? I.e., is there a path to getting a 4th enhancive bonus after you've unlocked the 3rd?

[spraggeth]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I've looked and haven't seen this explicitly answered. Can you get more than 3 stats boosted on your badge? I.e., is there a path to getting a 4th enhancive bonus after you've unlocked the 3rd?

Negative.