Lebron

[Gelston]

So, back to Miami?

Saw this post on FB too:

Please take a moment to admire the great LeBron for the special talent he is. It never gets old looking at the King’s history. So many accomplishments Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan will never achieve:

1.Only player in NBA history to quit because of Air Conditioner.
2.First player in NBA history to blame his Jersey
3.Lose not 1, not 2, but 3 times in the Finals.
4.Bail on the dunk contest 10 times.
5.Only able to win a ring with 2 superstars.
6.Play on same team as his moms boyfriend.
7.Average 1.8 pts in the 4th quarter of NBA finals.
8.Dunked on by a high school kid then confiscates the tape.
9.Hosted a national televised TV show to leave his team.
10.Go 2 for 18 in an NBA playoff game.
11.Get stuffed by a player under 6 feet. (Nate Robinson)
12.Flop every single game in the playoffs.
13.Choke 4 out of 5 finals games by dropping FG% by 18.
14.Quit on his team the year after he promises a championship
15.0 Rings if not for refs calling early fouls on Durant and Westbrook it
threw them out of rhythm, made them play soft, and sit for big parts of the
game which changed the flow and momentum of the finals

[Androidpk]

What's the story behind 1 and 2?

[Gelston]

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11039853/2014-nba-finals-lebron-james-exits-game-1-loss-thigh-cramp-c-fails

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10566448/lebron-james-miami-heat-says-sleeved-jersey-partly-blame-night

[Drektor]

He'll opt out but he's not gonna leave Cleveland. Remember to credit Aj Watkins for that stupid ass fb post.

[Gelston]

He'll opt out but he's not gonna leave Cleveland. Remember to credit Aj Watkins for that stupid ass fb post.

Call it stupid ass all you want but it is true.

[Ardwen]

it makes more sense to be a free agent after next year when the huge new TV deal ups the cap by like 30m, I wouldn't be shocked to see a bunch of one year with option deals this offseason all over the NBA. I love that the big story is that the Cavs are going to get his advice on which free agents to attempt to sign. So they not only have a coach they don't trust but a GM they don't trust now.

[Ker_Thwap]

Call it stupid ass all you want but it is true.

Factually correct is the best kind of correct.

There's plenty not to like about the guy without resorting to stupid phrasing to spin accomplishments into something negative. Getting to the finals that many times, he's doing something right. Chris Bosh is not a superstar. He only had one bad shooting game in the finals. Nate Robinson takes just as many PEDs as LeBron, don't take away from Nate's effort. His mom is still hot enough to tempt the drug addled mind of Delonte West.

Before this years finals, I thought James was finally growing up and was being less of an ass than young LeBron. Then this year he stared opening his mouth again, talking about how he's the best player in the world, knows how much he means to Cleveland, he's carrying his teammates, talking about their lack of talent, and blaming his coach for the game 1 loss.

He's still a tacky human. He's a physical specimen no doubt aided by HGH at a young age. He still sucks at playing team defense, despite being a veteran. His drug regimen has him fading at the end of games certainly, combined with his mental state sure does make him look like a quitter.

[Gelston]

Factually correct is the best kind of correct.

There's plenty not to like about the guy without resorting to stupid phrasing to spin accomplishments into something negative. Getting to the finals that many times, he's doing something right. Chris Bosh is not a superstar. He only had one bad shooting game in the finals. Nate Robinson takes just as many PEDs as LeBron, don't take away from Nate's effort. His mom is still hot enough to tempt the drug addled mind of Delonte West.

Before this years finals, I thought James was finally growing up and was being less of an ass than young LeBron. Then this year he stared opening his mouth again, talking about how he's the best player in the world, knows how much he means to Cleveland, he's carrying his teammates, talking about their lack of talent, and blaming his coach for the game 1 loss.

He's still a tacky human. He's a physical specimen no doubt aided by HGH at a young age. He still sucks at playing team defense, despite being a veteran. His drug regimen has him fading at the end of games certainly, combined with his mental state sure does make him look like a quitter.

Sweet Rant, Bro.

[Ker_Thwap]

Sweet Rant, Bro.

Gelston reads Buzzfeed for all his news.

[Gelston]

Gelston reads Buzzfeed for all his news.

I've never been on BuzzFeed. I get my news from reputable sources... The PC and random FB posts.

[Latrinsorm]

Call it stupid ass all you want but it is true.lol. If you're going to copy incoherent whining you could at least update it for this year. Put some effort in, Gelly.
He's still a tacky human. He's a physical specimen no doubt aided by HGH at a young age. He still sucks at playing team defense, despite being a veteran. His drug regimen has him fading at the end of games certainly, combined with his mental state sure does make him look like a quitter.LeBron was the best (http://grantland.com/features/the-toronto-raptors-sportvu-cameras-nba-analytical-revolution/) team defender in the game not long ago. His defense has dropped off the last two years because he's already played a full career. Consider...

LeBron is seventh in career minutes played in the playoffs. Not per game. Total.
LeBron has led the playoffs in minutes played five different years. Only Bill Russell can say the same, and only Wilt Chamberlain even managed four.
LeBron has already played more career minutes than Wes Unseld, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West, Dikembe Mutombo, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash.
LeBron has played through 12 seasons more minutes than any player in history besides Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and Elvin Hayes.
Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and Elvin Hayes combined for seven years and one All-NBA award after their 12th seasons.

Criticizing LeBron for not being in peak physical condition only illustrates your ignorance. Throwing in unfounded drug use accusations only illustrates your weakness. LeBron is already a top ten of all time player, his case can only grow stronger in the twilight of his career. Make your peace with that truth, it will be less painful for you when you stop contorting yourself into such ridiculous positions.

[Gelston]

I was wondering when Latrin would pop in to defend his crush.

[Ker_Thwap]

lol. If you're going to copy incoherent whining you could at least update it for this year. Put some effort in, Gelly.LeBron was the best (http://grantland.com/features/the-toronto-raptors-sportvu-cameras-nba-analytical-revolution/) team defender in the game not long ago. His defense has dropped off the last two years because he's already played a full career. Consider....

LeBron is seventh in career minutes played in the playoffs. Not per game. Total.
LeBron has led the playoffs in minutes played five different years. Only Bill Russell can say the same, and only Wilt Chamberlain even managed four.
LeBron has already played more career minutes than Wes Unseld, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West, Dikembe Mutombo, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash.
LeBron has played through 12 seasons more minutes than any player in history besides Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and Elvin Hayes.
Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and Elvin Hayes combined for seven years and one All-NBA award after their 12th seasons.

Criticizing LeBron for not being in peak physical condition only illustrates your ignorance. Throwing in unfounded drug use accusations only illustrates your weakness. LeBron is already a top ten of all time player, his case can only grow stronger in the twilight of his career. Make your peace with that truth, it will be less painful for you when you stop contorting yourself into such ridiculous positions.

Fanboys gonna fanboy. I'm not suggesting LeBron uses more or less PEDs than any other athlete. That's a lot of minutes. Didn't play team defense early in his career, didn't play it late in his career. This is what happens when you coach yourself.

[prance1520]

His drug regimen has him fading at the end of games certainly, combined with his mental state sure does make him look like a quitter.


I'm not suggesting LeBron uses more or less PEDs than any other athlete.

So if your saying all athletes use PEDs, and Lebron's drug regimen is failing him where (I'm assuming, or you wouldn't have pointed it out) others are succeeding, is your post actually being critical of Lebron not being able to pick the right Pharmacist?

[Warriorbird]

Lebron is kinda more in the Favre, Eli Manning, Plunkett, and Starr type category than the Montana or Brady type category. Some folks just need to deal with that.

[prance1520]

Lebron is kinda more in the Favre, Eli Manning, Plunkett, and Starr type category than the Montana or Brady type category. Some folks just need to deal with that.

Until we can manage the impossible task of judging individual importance in team sports (never happening), this will probably be the majority opinion. We'll continue to worship the best player with the most rings and lump the rest of his teammates as contributors.

You can only do it for players you watched, but I try to think about it in terms of fantasy draft. You can take any player in history in their prime, who are you taking. Brady and Montana are amazing, but just the player and not the teams around them, I think Marino is the correct choice. Eli isn't even getting drafted, he's not even in the top 5 quarterbacks playing in the league right now let alone some all-time list.

Jordan is the clear choice for my Bball choice because I never got to watch Robinson, Russell, or Chamberlin play, but he's just not that far behind. So if your taking only modern day players (Jordan on) and you've got the second pick to lead your misfits as far as they can go, ask yourself if you think Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant could have taken the 2007 Cavs roster to the Finals.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html

[Warriorbird]

Until we can manage the impossible task of judging individual importance in team sports (never happening), this will probably be the majority opinion. We'll continue to worship the best player with the most rings and lump the rest of his teammates as contributors.

You can only do it for players you watched, but I try to think about it in terms of fantasy draft. You can take any player in history in their prime, who are you taking. Brady and Montana are amazing, but just the player and not the teams around them, I think Marino is the correct choice. Eli isn't even getting drafted, he's not even in the top 5 quarterbacks playing in the league right now let alone some all-time list.

Jordan is the clear choice for my Bball choice because I never got to watch Robinson, Russell, or Chamberlin play, but he's just not that far behind. So if your taking only modern day players (Jordan on) and you've got the second pick to lead your misfits as far as they can go, ask yourself if you think Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant could have taken the 2007 Cavs roster to the Finals.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html

You're completely right. I'd take Marino before any of the above that I've seen except maybe Montana. I'm mainly just trolling Latrin because I'd still pick Jordan before Lebron and I think Lebron's early trip to the NBA and self involved nonsense have probably damaged his career (like Jordan's baseball nonsense did stuff to his).

[Gelston]

I made this entire thread to troll Latrin. I couldn't give a shit less about basketball. I think the sport is boring as fuck.

[Latrinsorm]

The ironic thing about LeBron is his teams have punched above their weight, historically speaking. Of the all-time greats, Bill Russell and LeBron James are the only ones whose teams don't have a losing record without home court advantage. Bird was 0 and 2, Jordan was 6 and 7, Duncan was 5 and 6, and on and on down the list. It's odd to say that the purest physical specimen for basketball in history excelled in the underdog role, but it's true.

[Ker_Thwap]

So if your saying all athletes use PEDs, and Lebron's drug regimen is failing him where (I'm assuming, or you wouldn't have pointed it out) others are succeeding, is your post actually being critical of Lebron not being able to pick the right Pharmacist?

Somewhat. It's only a theory of course. Steroids, don't directly add muscle mass, they just lower the pain threshold, so you can train forever. You can train for speed, you can train for endurance, you can train for bulk. Then there's the game day drugs, some of which are quite dangerous. So, yeah I think it's a combination of the two things when I see a big name player be inconsistent.

Toradol, for example is a powerful anti-inflammatory taken by many athletes on game day. It can only be taken so often, and only lasts a few hours. It's how pro football teams might come out strong and fade, our why a lackluster first half team might come out strong and looking good in the second half. It's not your grandfather's sports anymore.

[Gelston]

It's not your grandfather's sports anymore.

PEDs were definitely used during your grandfather's sports. They aren't anything new by a long shot.

[Ker_Thwap]

PEDs were definitely used during your grandfather's sports. They aren't anything new by a long shot.

Not even remotely at this kind of complexity and effectiveness. It used to be basic stimulants and horse liniment. Now there are a thousands types of steroids, growth hormones, masking agents, attention focusing, mood altering agents, etc.

[kutter]

Anyone who does not think it is rampant in sports, pro and amateur and it is not a highly complex cocktail just needs to read Game of Shadows, and that took place nearly 20 years ago so it is only becoming even more prevalent now.

[Ker_Thwap]

Well, maybe not YOUR grandfather, though you better believe Ty Cobb cheated his ass off in any way he possibly could. Still though, we have this from when you were young and you better believe there was more than that.

http://www.nonoadockumentary.com/

This isn't looking into the past with rose colored glasses, of course they cheated back then. Half the world still seems to believe that the drugs aren't a huge part of the game. I'm just saying that LeBron has more in common with Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire than Ted Williams.

[Latrinsorm]

Anyone who does not think it is rampant in sports, pro and amateur and it is not a highly complex cocktail just needs to read Game of Shadows, and that took place nearly 20 years ago so it is only becoming even more prevalent now.Your argument is invalid. I will demonstrate.

War crimes are rampant in our military, people just need to read about the My Lai massacre to prove it's more prevalent now.
Racism is rampant in our society, people just need to read about Bull Connor and extrapolate to today.
The genocide of the Jewish people is rampant in today's Germany, c.f. the Holocaust.

No matter how pronounced a single point is, it does not imply a trend. That Germans once committed genocide does not imply that today's Germans are committing even more genocide. That athletes once used PEDs does not imply that today's athletes are using even more.

[kutter]

Your argument is invalid. I will demonstrate.

War crimes are rampant in our military, people just need to read about the My Lai massacre to prove it's more prevalent now.
Racism is rampant in our society, people just need to read about Bull Connor and extrapolate to today.
The genocide of the Jewish people is rampant in today's Germany, c.f. the Holocaust.

No matter how pronounced a single point is, it does not imply a trend. That Germans once committed genocide does not imply that today's Germans are committing even more genocide. That athletes once used PEDs does not imply that today's athletes are using even more.

Latrin, I think it is great that you believe that the use of PED's is less prevalent now than in the past, but you are naive to think so. Not only is it more prevalent, but younger and younger athletes are making use of it. The fact of the matter is that whatever association governs the body of athletes wants people to watch/attend events, it is after all a business, even in the amateur ranks and PED's reduce injury and allow people to recover more quickly from injury and people that pay exorbitant sums for a ticket do not want to attend and event where the marquis player is out with a strained muscle. Throw in the performance bonus' that players have built into contracts and the incentive to use them is too great.

[Latrinsorm]

Naivety is believing without evidence. You're the one doing that, not me.

[Wrathbringer]

Naivety is believing without evidence. You're the one doing that, not me.

You'll have to excuse him. He's in the military. He's made a career out of naivety.

[Astray]

Lebron is not a sport you silly posters.

[Warriorbird]

Lebron is not a sport you silly posters.

Lebron is not a sport to Latrin. Lebron and Kina Grannis are his heart.