Hot Summer Nights speculation

[Allereli]

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Creating_Adventure_-_June_2015


Our highly anticipated Hot Summer Nights (HSN) are coming back this year, and we’re excited to offer you several months of new releases! Starting June 21st, we plan on bringing you a content-enriched summer you won’t forget! While we don’t want to spoil what is to come, what’s an announcement like this without some teasers?! We plan on bringing you new login rewards, spell updates, lore changes, changes to death messaging, documentation, and even a new end-game hunting ground! Be sure to book your summer vacation in Elanthia this year!

Ignoring the fluff stuff:

What spell updates?
What lore changes?
Where will the capped hunting be?

[Jhynnifer]

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Creating_Adventure_-_June_2015



Ignoring the fluff stuff:

What spell updates?
What lore changes?
Where will the capped hunting be?

Just a guess here, but I'm going to say Sea of Fire.
Elemental Lore Review
Haste Nerf (kidding)
Blood Magic Document
Imperial Documents

[Silvean]

Something for the sorcerer circle: safe money on updates to 730 and releasing 750 as an outside chance.

[SHAFT]

Haste probably should be nerfed. 1 sec nerf would be reasonable. Being able to swing or fire a bow at 1 sec is pretty op.

[Androidpk]

Haste probably should be nerfed. 1 sec nerf would be reasonable. Being able to swing or fire a bow at 1 sec is pretty op.

Should also be strictly limited to wizards and bards. No casting on others, embeds, ect.

[Androidpk]

What are login rewards?

[Silvean]

What are login rewards?

Logging rewards?

http://images.rapgenius.com/96545bf3631e64d4505211b2b05f4705.600x341x1.jpg

[GuildRat]

What are login rewards?

Maybe like WoW...where if you log in on an anniversary you get an achievement or something?

[Donquix]

i don't THINK it will be elore since estild just asked for suggestions on that, unless they already had the bulk of it done and wanted to check for like, final ideas/tweaks for players. who knows though.

bringing back deadfall by popular demand?

[Jymamon]

> What spell updates?
I'd so love it to be an update to make 925 make items unusable for less time, but I won't hold my breath. (I can live with not being able to do another major project during a timeframe similar to current.)

>Where will the capped hunting be?
Given the current trend, my bet is on something accessible from multiple locations. Whether instanced like camps or common like the confluence, I have no idea.
Purely speculative: something primarily/entirely undead.

[Whirlin]

I like Wyrom... Wyrom is good peoples.

[Androidpk]

i don't THINK it will be elore since estild just asked for suggestions on that, unless they already had the bulk of it done and wanted to check for like, final ideas/tweaks for players. who knows though.

bringing back deadfall by popular demand?

Deadfall?

[Wrathbringer]

I like Wyrom... Wyrom is good peoples.

I think he sniffs butts.

[Roblar]

Deadfall?

Capped hunting area that was part of the Cross into Shadows storyline. It is in Upper Trollfang and has been de-populated of undead and other capped creatures since the conclusion earlier this year.

It remains open though.

[Androidpk]

Wish they would have the Demon wall open permanently.

[Donquix]

a capped mostly-undead hunting area would be a nice addition, and they already have it done. Seems like an easy win.

[Silvean]

a capped mostly-undead hunting area would be a nice addition, and they already have it done. Seems like an easy win.

It was full of giant re-skinned roltons -- home of the 15 second hunt. They want their capped areas more difficult to get into and their capped critters throwing out new maneuver attacks, etc.

[SHAFT]

Re-skinned roltons sound scary. I'd be frightened. Who has time to re-skin a rolton?

[Silvean]

Re-skinned roltons sound scary. I'd be frightened. Who has time to re-skin a rolton?

An inside-out ranger!

[Androidpk]

Re-skinned roltons sound scary. I'd be frightened. Who has time to re-skin a rolton?

Rodger the shrubber has the time.

[subzero]

and releasing 750 as an outside chance.

Bahahahaha!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3343/flairrumble2.jpg

Wooooo!

[Silvean]

http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/137/1370907/2824677-8976356208-sVa5K.gif

[Fallen]

Good god. HSN. That takes me back. Can't wait to see what they come up with.

E-lore at least being partially implemented should be a lock.

[Taernath]

Good god. HSN. That takes me back. Can't wait to see what they come up with.

E-lore at least being partially implemented should be a lock.

No kidding, right? Hasn't it been over 10 years? 2002-2003 had a lot of good updates, RP and content-wise.

[Allereli]

http://www.play.net/gs4/news/hot_summer_nights.asp

this must be from the last one. pretty sweet, it was during a time I wasn't playing.

I'm going out on a limb and guess they'll pull a fast one and release Savants
Capped hunting will be in the Landing and have UAC creatures
Animate dead changes
320 implementation
Playershop revamp
Anything Estild has posted recently on mechanics will change :P

[SHAFT]

Id love to see 535, 550, and 950.

Oh, 935 and 940 too.

[tyrant-201]

If love to see 535, 550, and 950.

+1

Also give us flaring item enchanting. Plz

[Taernath]

http://www.play.net/gs4/news/hot_summer_nights.asp

this must be from the last one. pretty sweet, it was during a time I wasn't playing.

I'm going out on a limb and guess they'll pull a fast one and release Savants
Capped hunting will be in the Landing
Animate dead changes
320 implementation
Anything Estild has posted recently on mechanics will change :P

What gave it away for me was the first result in google had GS3 in the url.

[Allereli]

http://www.play.net/gs4/news/2004_plans/HSN2004/home.asp

this is a better one.

[Donquix]

http://www.play.net/gs4/news/hot_summer_nights.asp

this must be from the last one. pretty sweet, it was during a time I wasn't playing.

I'm going out on a limb and guess they'll pull a fast one and release Savants
Capped hunting will be in the Landing and have UAC creatures
Animate dead changes
320 implementation
Playershop revamp
Anything Estild has posted recently on mechanics will change :P

oh god the bait and switch on savants. but but...i'm not done subjecting myself to the punishment of being a monk yet.

[Malisai]

What are login rewards?

Some games provide a scaling reward based on how many days you log in in a row (or total). So Day 1 might be 100 silver, day 2 1000 silver....day 30 T4 RPA or something such. In most cases if you miss a day you start back at day 1. In some games its based on total days you have logged in.

[Silvean]

We could get some betting odds set up on these releases.

[Back]

They've really been doing some great stuff lately. It's so cool after years of stagnation. I would not be surprised with what another poster said about Elemental Lore Review.

[elcidcannon]

Should also be strictly limited to wizards and bards. No casting on others, embeds, ect.

That would fix a lot.

[Kembal]

Undead capped hunting area. Either Landing or Solhaven.
E-lore review
A change to 1117 would be really nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

[lichyen]

I like Wyrom... Wyrom is good peoples.

I am Just getting back to the game, but Wyrom seems legit.

[Malisai]

I am Just getting back to the game, but Wyrom seems legit.

Im going to say that recently there has been a lot of development going on. A lot of really good stuff has been put into the game. Honestly Im very happy with not only the development we have had so far and HSN should be rather big with a lot of good stuff. Its a good time to be in Elanthia

Now my hope is that the new hunting area would be in the Rest, im biased though.

[m444w]

If they don't make it in Solhaven or the Landing, I'm going to be very disappointed.

This isn't to say that River's Rest shouldn't eventually get its own (post)capped hunting area, as I think all towns should have their own outside of the Elemental Plane junk.

It would be incredibly short sighted to not cater to 90% of the active gaming and RP population that are always in the Landing areas first, however.

[SpiffyJr]

I've got an idea. How about a f2play system that encourages people that already have a character to, you know, play. Fuck you Simutronics. And yes, I'm still bitter.

[Allereli]

If they don't make it in Solhaven or the Landing, I'm going to be very disappointed.

This isn't to say that River's Rest shouldn't eventually get its own (post)capped hunting area, as I think all towns should have their own outside of the Elemental Plane junk.

It would be incredibly short sighted to not cater to 90% of the active gaming and RP population that are always in the Landing areas first, however.

I vote for Zul Logoth. The town would go from abandoned to active in 24 hours.

[Androidpk]

I vote for Zul Logoth. The town would go from abandoned to active in 24 hours.

+1

[Malisai]

If they don't make it in Solhaven or the Landing, I'm going to be very disappointed.

This isn't to say that River's Rest shouldn't eventually get its own (post)capped hunting area, as I think all towns should have their own outside of the Elemental Plane junk.

It would be incredibly short sighted to not cater to 90% of the active gaming and RP population that are always in the Landing areas first, however.

The only issue I really have with that is that from landing/sol you can easily access capped hunting in the Rift.

Zul and RR are the only places where you cannot get to a capped hunting area without major effort and of the two, I like RR better.

[Allereli]

The only issue I really have with that is that from landing/sol you can easily access capped hunting in the Rift.

Zul and RR are the only places where you cannot get to a capped hunting area without major effort and of the two, I like RR better.

Would the RR community accept all the people that come with a capped hunting ground? The town would change drastically.

[Viekn]

Would the RR community accept all the people that come with a capped hunting ground? The town would change drastically.

RR would see more traffic, but I doubt it would be that much more. And if it was, it would likely be temporary as the novelty would wear off and people would naturally even themselves out between RR, confluence, and existing capped hunting areas.

[Androidpk]

Maybe it will be Mist Harbor.

[Allereli]

Maybe it will be Mist Harbor.

I think that's very possible.

[Malisai]

Would the RR community accept all the people that come with a capped hunting ground? The town would change drastically.

I would say people have to get used to it. I never really understood the xenophobia that some players exhibited. Part of the problem is that there isnt any high level hunting in RR. As a result the people that go there are going for lower level hunting, which means its rather easy for a higher level character to bully/push around those people coming in.

However a capped hunting area is different, those bullies cant really bully capped(ish) characters that would show up to hunt there.

I think overall it would be good for RR to have capped hunting. I know that if there was capped hunting that wasnt the bullshit of the confluence, I would be there.

The largest issue with putting a hunting area in either RR or Zul is weather or not players can get rescued. Its one of the reasons why no one is in Zul or RR doing the elemental hunting area. its a freaking pain in the ass to hunt there, and its a pain in the ass to get rescued. I spent about 3 days in RR hunting the elemental area before deciding the place was BS and leaving, and i normally hunt 4 or the scatter, so its not like I havent had my fair share of nothing you can do about it deaths, but its like that place was created as a death factory without any way to avoid it.

So why RR and not Zul.

RR already has a community there. Despite its location and everything, there is still a consistent player population (although small) that calls RR home. Zul does not have the same thing, its just a spot on the map.

[SashaFierce]

Maybe it will be Mist Harbor.


That would be a disappointment.




RR already has a community there. Despite its location and everything, there is still a consistent player population (although small) that calls RR home. Zul does not have the same thing, its just a spot on the map.


There are a handful of people who consider Zul home, Clunk is one of those who can be found there.

[Androidpk]

I plan on moving to Zul as soon as I can hunt there.

[Malisai]

I agree that there are people who love Zul as much as people who love RR, I just think that RR has a larger community, which for a long time has asked for capped or higher hunting, so if the choice was between RR and Zul i think it should go to RR. However all my characters are citizens in RR so im biased.

[SashaFierce]

I agree that there are people who love Zul as much as people who love RR, I just think that RR has a larger community, which for a long time has asked for capped or higher hunting, so if the choice was between RR and Zul i think it should go to RR. However all my characters are citizens in RR so im biased.

I wouldn't mind a RR/Solhaven capped hunting area. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone!

[Allereli]

Anyone have a sense on the long awaited hurling update?

[Kembal]

Anyone have a sense on the long awaited hurling update?

bwa ha ha ha....oh, you're serious. :)

they'd probably open up the test server on that one if they were ready to try it. there's so many issues, and there's only a small amount of players that have enough experience with hurling to know what to look for.

[Maerit]

I wouldn't mind a RR/Solhaven capped hunting area. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone!

This sounds promising if they can manage to get a mechanic to put a player somewhere in the ocean near an island perhaps? You'd need a device to teleport players and "plop!" them down into the ocean with an island nearby that they can then use their swimming skill to reach.

Oh, I know... The boot! Krovlin's blew up the log in River's Rest, but the residual magic left behind can still be harnessed, and chronomages have been exploring the possibility of using the ancient portal. Unfortunately, due to the disruption of the delicate magical device, it now redirects those who attempt to harness that power to somewhere in the ocean off the coast of River's Rest and Solhaven.

There's a mysterious island out there, and if you're a strong enough swimmer, you just might survive the violent riptide to investigate the island.

Of course, you'd have to design a nice one-way route off the island. Something similar I imagine that would return players to the coast of Solhaven or River's Rest depending on which side of the island you used as a "launch" point, requiring a shorter swim, but which would hinder players heavily encumbered.

I'd love to see Zul get more action, but Zul Logoth could use a lot of enhancements before it sees a capped hunting ground:

1. More mana nodes. There's only one that I'm aware of... They need to put two maybe three more into the area.

2. A method of bypassing the carts via skills such as Climbing. Climb up the mountainside to get into Zul Logoth instead of riding those infernal carts all over the place. That would make it much more accessible - specifically to EN inhabitants. You could climb into the town and access the hunting ground (via more climbing probably) instead of having to wait on carts.

3. I feel like people should be able to swim across the river to avoid the ferry also.

Anything that makes Zul more accessible is better at this point. No one is interested in going there because it's a chore to get back to their home towns. They'd make the hike if they could use their training to bypass all the obnoxious parts of the journey. It's considerably easier to get there from the EN side than it is from the WL side. You don't have to deal with the Ferry, the swamp, the rope bridge, or the ladder climb from the EN side. You just have to climb the mountainside and ride the carts.

They definitely need to look into ways of making player skills overcome some of these hurdles. Since Water Walking and Haste remove some of the impediments, all they need to do is fix the ferry and carts.

[Whirlin]

Lets not forget about fixing the rope bridge... I know when EN first opened, the bridge was still in tact!

Also.. hate to even throw this out there... but there's no capped hunting in Ta'Vaalor... -runs away-

[Soulance]

3. I feel like people should be able to swim across the river to avoid the ferry also.
I could swear there was some kind of spell that allows people to walk on top of water...:thinking:

[Kembal]

Lets not forget about fixing the rope bridge... I know when EN first opened, the bridge was still in tact!

Also.. hate to even throw this out there... but there's no capped hunting in Ta'Vaalor... -runs away-

You can get to OTF from Ta'Vaalor. They're not going to do anything there!

[everan]

Anyone have a sense on the long awaited hurling update?
Is this a news report after an epic party?

[Androidpk]

200 ranks of swimming. Still can't swim the Locksmehr river. #Simulogic

[Archigeek]

Anyone have a sense on the long awaited hurling update?

I would be shocked.

[Allereli]

>>What can those of us who have not been around for them in the past expect?

The last run of HSN was 2004, which VANKRASN39 was very helpful with sharing a link on. Basically, Hot Summer Nights are packed with releases for a portion of the season. This year, we plan to spread it out a little more and have releases (tentatively) from June 21st to September 12th.

In the example from 2004, it showcased a lot more contests/roleplay than we anticipate for 2015. Our main focus is to bring some long-awaited releases, as well as some documentation that staff has been working on for awhile. We likely won't have a detailed release schedule like the 2004 listing, but I'll see about keeping the wiki updated as things get released.

~Wyrom, APM

post from this morning

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/GemStone%20Promotions/Hot%20Summer%20Nights%202015/view/6

[Androidpk]

Sooo..

In-game mail system
Mining/smelting
E-lore
Hurling
Horses!

[Tgo01]

Wyrom seems to keep pushing this documentation bullshit.

Is that what the players truly want at the moment? More documentation?

[Archigeek]

Wyrom seems to keep pushing this documentation bullshit.

Is that what the players truly want at the moment? More documentation?

I don't think he's pushing it, I think there are some staff members who truly enjoy working on it. One of the things about a volunteer workforce is that you can't always push them into roles they aren't that interested in.

[Androidpk]

I think Estild is writing up more documentation on the giantman clans. I'm interested in that.

[Allereli]

I think Estild is writing up more documentation on the giantman clans. I'm interested in that.

Estild wouldn't be writing documentation. Scribes is the Giant guru.

[Taernath]

Wyrom seems to keep pushing this documentation bullshit.

Is that what the players truly want at the moment? More documentation?

Undocumented RPers are stealing all our RP.

[Androidpk]

Undocumented RPers are stealing all our RP.

We need to bring back ICE!

[Kembal]

Wyrom seems to keep pushing this documentation bullshit.

Is that what the players truly want at the moment? More documentation?

Opens up new opportunities for roleplay.

[Archigeek]

Opens up new opportunities for roleplay.

Scripts will have to be updated!

[Tgo01]

Opens up new opportunities for roleplay.

People need to be told how to RP?

GS really is doomed.

[Fallen]

People need to be told how to RP?

GS really is doomed.

I've got links to some great chat rooms if you're into just free-forming your own stuff.

[Tgo01]

I've got links to some great chat rooms if you're into just free-forming your own stuff.

Why can't I free form in GS? Why does my dark elf have to be pigeon holed into being some asshole who wants to enslave aelotois?

[RichardCranium]

Why can't I free form in GS? Why does my dark elf have to be pigeon holed into being some asshole who wants to enslave aelotois?

You should make a female vampire dark elf. That is pregnant.

[Tgo01]

You should make a female vampire dark elf. That is pregnant.

I will! Then she'll be pregnant for 3 years then when she finally gives birth she will do it in TC then 20 seconds afterward hand the baby off to someone else so she can go hunt.

[Taernath]

I will! Then she'll be pregnant for 3 years then when she finally gives birth she will do it in TC then 20 seconds afterward hand the baby off to someone else so she can go hunt.

http://www.elfonlyinn.net/comics/eoi20030106.jpg

were you thinking of this? Because that's a near-perfect match.

[Tgo01]

http://www.elfonlyinn.net/comics/eoi20030106.jpg

were you thinking of this? Because that's a near-perfect match.

First I'm seeing of this comic. I'm just damn good :O

[Silvean]

We need to bring back ICE!

I used to keep those books next to my computer.

[Jhynnifer]

Why can't I free form in GS? Why does my dark elf have to be pigeon holed into being some asshole who wants to enslave aelotois?

I don't think you have to be pigeon-holed just because of your race/profession, plenty of people have played unexpected characters in the sandbox. I DO think that because this is not an RPG but a small community made up of all kinds of people RPing that you do have to take into consideration just how disruptive what you're doing is. A giggling, hugsy dark elf? Sure.. whatever, I can get that even if it's not the stereotype. However, when I meet someone and they tell me they're the reincarnation of some all-powerful demon sent from another valence to bring blood magic and whitewalkers to the masses... welp, I'm going to rp you're a complete and utter nutjob and find a feasible way for my character to avoid you at all costs.

[Tgo01]

I don't think you have to be pigeon-holed just because of your race/profession, plenty of people have played unexpected characters in the sandbox.

I don't have to be pigeon-holed because I refuse to let myself be pigeon-holed. I've had several people over the years whisper OOC to me saying something like "You're not acting like dark elves are supposed to" or "You don't RP like a dark elf."

I'm not saying the GMs can't have an established history of the world and races and whatever but the idea that "Well it says so right here!!!!" kind of defeats the purpose of RP.


However, when I meet someone and they tell me they're the reincarnation of some all-powerful demon sent from another valence to bring blood magic and whitewalkers to the masses... welp, I'm going to rp you're a complete and utter nutjob and find a feasible way for my character to avoid you at all costs.

Well yeah, both of you are RPing in that scenario. RPing doesn't mean you have to go along with whatever the other person says or does, so your character is free to think they're a nutjob :p

[caelric]

And of course they can be rp'ing a nutjob who has delusions that he is said reincarnation....

[Ceyrin]

I don't think you have to be pigeon-holed just because of your race/profession, plenty of people have played unexpected characters in the sandbox. I DO think that because this is not an RPG but a small community made up of all kinds of people RPing that you do have to take into consideration just how disruptive what you're doing is. A giggling, hugsy dark elf? Sure.. whatever, I can get that even if it's not the stereotype. However, when I meet someone and they tell me they're the reincarnation of some all-powerful demon sent from another valence to bring blood magic and whitewalkers to the masses... welp, I'm going to rp you're a complete and utter nutjob and find a feasible way for my character to avoid you at all costs.

Says the not-bald half-Erithi =P

[Malisai]

I dont think its a big deal that people are working on documentation as i doubt the people working on said documentation can code enough to implement major changes.

[Tgo01]

I dont think its a big deal that people are working on documentation as i doubt the people working on said documentation can code enough to implement major changes.

I don't mind that people are working on documentation either. Just kind of bugs me that Wyrom keeps mentioning "documentation changes" like it's some sort of grand thing that took 10,000 GM man hours to create.

It's great that people are working on documentation but can't that just be released as people are done writing it? Do we really did it to go through QC or whatever then have a big announcement for it to be released during "hot summer nights"?

Just put it on the website already.

[Silvean]

Official documentation goes through extensive (i.e. multi-layered) QC before release. It takes months. I think this is far too long but I also want them to make sure the documents meet certain standards of consistency and quality.

My RP through unofficial documents (IC essays, letters, etc.) has been more satisfying than trying to contribute official documentation. At least with my own writing I can just put it on the website when I am happy with it. At the same time, I have less freedom when I write my own stuff because I am bound by both the voice and the silence of official documentation.

Some of the official stuff is well written and the people responsible deserve more credit than they get.

[Androidpk]

Official documentation goes through extensive (i.e. multi-layered) QC before release. It takes months. I think this is far too long but I also want them to make sure the documents meet certain standards of consistency and quality.

My RP through unofficial documents (IC essays, letters, etc.) has been more satisfying than trying to contribute official documentation. At least with my own writing I can just put it on the website when I am happy with it. At the same time, I have less freedom when I write my own stuff because I am bound by both the voice and the silence of official documentation.

Some of the official stuff is well written and the people responsible deserve more credit than they get.

You wrote the thingy on Marlu right? I want more!

[FlayedAngel]

I like Wyrom... Wyrom is good peoples.
Quoted for Truth!

[Allereli]

Official documentation goes through extensive (i.e. multi-layered) QC before release. It takes months. I think this is far too long but I also want them to make sure the documents meet certain standards of consistency and quality.

he starts getting really pissy around month 3 :D

[Kembal]

I don't mind that people are working on documentation either. Just kind of bugs me that Wyrom keeps mentioning "documentation changes" like it's some sort of grand thing that took 10,000 GM man hours to create.

It's great that people are working on documentation but can't that just be released as people are done writing it? Do we really did it to go through QC or whatever then have a big announcement for it to be released during "hot summer nights"?

Just put it on the website already.

I think it just so happens that a lot of the documentation will end up being ready during the HSN period. They don't normally hold back documentation for special release. (they just released a document this week, after all)

[Jhynnifer]

Says the not-bald half-Erithi =P

Go back to dying in Wow, jerkface.

Oh. <3 <3

[Ceyrin]

Go back to dying in Wow, jerkface.

Oh. <3 <3

You could be partially bald. Have like long hair in the typical ring pattern, and have this pathetic fuzz on top. I think that would be classy.

Also, you can't die in WoW. That game is even easier than Gemstone.

[Jhynnifer]

You could be partially bald. Have like long hair in the typical ring pattern, and have this pathetic fuzz on top. I think that would be classy.

Also, you can't die in WoW. That game is even easier than Gemstone.


I'm pretty sure you were complaining to me about how long it took you to find your body today. =D

Also bald females is not classy, unless you're Karen Gillian

[Androidpk]

Bald females are popular and so isn't Karen Gillan.

[Gelston]

Bald females are popular and so isn't Karen Gillan.

popular /= classy

[Wrathbringer]

popular /= classy

Example: Tisket.

[Gelston]

Example: Tisket.

Awww, you have a school yard crush.

[Wrathbringer]

Awww, you have a school yard crush.

I can't help it. I have a thing for women like Roy Munson's landlady.

[Atlanteax]

First I'm seeing of this comic. I'm just damn good :O

Elf Only Inn was one of the greats.

[Ceyrin]

I'm pretty sure you were complaining to me about how long it took you to find your body today. =D

Also bald females is not classy, unless you're Karen Gillian

That was a long time ago!

Also, I'm just going to leave this here...

http://www.funnfun.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bald-girl-celebrity-1.jpg

[Silvean]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1575960/thumbs/o-NATALIE-DORMER-570.jpg

[Fallen]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1575960/thumbs/o-NATALIE-DORMER-570.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FgpshdZIdPQ/TzfQUsWtM6I/AAAAAAAAAuU/rhNfLt9mQ88/s1600/jack-nicholson-nodding.gif

[Ceyrin]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1575960/thumbs/o-NATALIE-DORMER-570.jpg

That was a good one too, but it didn't evoke the proper Erithi vibe I was going for.

[m444w]

I don't mind that people are working on documentation either. Just kind of bugs me that Wyrom keeps mentioning "documentation changes" like it's some sort of grand thing that took 10,000 GM man hours to create.

It's great that people are working on documentation but can't that just be released as people are done writing it? Do we really did it to go through QC or whatever then have a big announcement for it to be released during "hot summer nights"?

Just put it on the website already.


I am glad they thoroughly review any documentation prior to release, and spend a lot of thing mapping out its effects on characters and established lore in the game, so as not to negatively overshadow their character vision.

It's easy to flippantly say to just release it, because it's only "creative writing", but imagine if someone official wrote something saying that the primary way Faendryl use magic in "modern times" is through elemental manipulation due to a recent cultural shift.

That would annoy quite a lot of people.

Imagine more the annoyance if someone released some half-ass Ronan documentation that conflicted with nearly all of the major Ronanites' RP. That would be incredibly detrimental, and the exact opposite of what documentation should do, which is fill out the game world and open more doors for player imagination and future story arcs to take.

[Tgo01]

I suppose once you make something "official" you're bound to piss off someone.

[Silvean]

That would be incredibly detrimental, and the exact opposite of what documentation should do, which is fill out the game world and open more doors for player imagination and future story arcs to take.

I don't know if it messed anyone up but I was surprised to see the Faendryl described as "atheists" in official documentation released when I wasn't playing the game. This is the hook I've run with for my own RP but it could have really messed up a person who had different ideas on how Faendryl ought to relate to the Arkati. A devoted Faendryl Luukosian, for instance, would need to do some tap dancing to figure out what that means for their relationship to their home and its government. Are they subversive? Have they been banished? Were these things that person wanted to be part of their character's identity and are they now forced into accepting them?

[m444w]

I don't know if it messed anyone up but I was surprised to see the Faendryl described as "atheists" in official documentation released when I wasn't playing the game. This is the hook I've run with for my own RP but it could have really messed up a person who had different ideas on how Faendryl ought to relate to the Arkati. A devoted Faendryl Luukosian, for instance, would need to do some tap dancing to figure out what that means for their relationship to their home and its government. Are they subversive? Have they been banished? Were these things that person wanted to be part of their character's identity and are they now forced into accepting them?

Having found that diction to be slightly troublesome myself, I chose to interpret it more in the sense of how people say "America is a Christian nation". It may be in a general sense, but there are a vast array of other belief sets as well.

I do not interpret it like the Human Empire, which is a borderline theocracy with the Church of Koar having so much influence and darker gods forbidden in many places/ by many rulers.

[Jhynnifer]

That was a good one too, but it didn't evoke the proper Erithi vibe I was going for.

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[sentral]

I would like to see "shroud of deception" finally implimented. Mining and smelting would be cool

[Gelston]

I don't know if it messed anyone up but I was surprised to see the Faendryl described as "atheists" in official documentation released when I wasn't playing the game. This is the hook I've run with for my own RP but it could have really messed up a person who had different ideas on how Faendryl ought to relate to the Arkati. A devoted Faendryl Luukosian, for instance, would need to do some tap dancing to figure out what that means for their relationship to their home and its government. Are they subversive? Have they been banished? Were these things that person wanted to be part of their character's identity and are they now forced into accepting them?

No elves see Arkati as divine. It doesn't mean they are atheist. Religion isn't really that heavily fleshed out in GS.

[Luscinia]

I've always found it a little strange that the written rationale for elves (apart from, I guess, sylvans and dhe'nar) not seeing the Arkati as "gods" is that they discovered the Arkati can die and are not infallible. That's a very... ethnocentric idea of what a god is.

[Silvean]

No elves see Arkati as divine. It doesn't mean they are atheist. Religion isn't really that heavily fleshed out in GS.

I was talking about the Faendryl, not Elves. The official document called "The Faendryl Empire" reads, "The Faendryl are a nation of atheists. Unlike most Elven societies, they chose no patron Arkati to pay respect to, as they are perfectly aware that the Arkati are not gods at all."

http://www.play.net/gs4/info/tomes/dark_elf_history/faendryl.asp

Luscinia is right to call this ethnocentric in regard to what counts as a "god" and what doesn't. But the document says what it says and I suppose you could style it as an insight into how different cultures have decided whether the Arkati are worthy of worship, particular esteem, or nothing at all. I've tried to flesh out the Faendryl view of religion, see:

https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Silvean_Rashere

[Androidpk]

Just a guess here, but I'm going to say Sea of Fire.
Elemental Lore Review
Haste Nerf (kidding)


Ding ding ding!

[Taernath]

Ding ding ding!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJqt0u_TCs

[Androidpk]

Yes, exactly.