Simu confusing me by intelligence

[Kaldonis]

For anyone that doesn't keep up on the officials (I guess I got that down, but I don't keep up here)...

Someone asked about playershops, websites etc. You know the drill. An early post misunderstands scripting policy, and I point out the basics. Other banter occurs.

Then Tillmen comes in and makes an offer I read as "kind of insane" because I don't see it will ever happen, despite being genius. And then we get this:

Quoting Tillmen: If a GM wanted to help, I would roll up 7 more F2P accounts, and a GM could bump them up to level 23 (to read level 50 scrolls), and apply however much death sting they like, and teleport them to the towns they're not allowed to be in. If someone wants to do this, let me know and I'll roll up the accounts.>>

Quoting Solomon: I'm going to drop you an email about this.

I'm just like, wooooooooooooow. Seriously?!?!

That's pretty fucking awesome if you ask me.

[Tenlaar]

It's just another example of SIMU relying on it's customers to do things that the company should be doing itself. Nothing special here.

[Kaldonis]

It's just another example of SIMU relying on it's customers to do things that the company should be doing itself. Nothing special here.

The strength of GemStone is as much in its customers, their efforts (say, this forum), the GMs, their time, as the game design itself.

Having an amazing community is not trivial at all.

This is an example of them using the "community" (i.e. Tillmen here) skills correctly. The original playershops were done by a GM, but he just hacked it in a similar way.

Oh wait, being jaded is what we do best. "People who hate people, come together! 'No, fuck you!'"

I do a lot of wiki editing (formerly KP, now gswiki) and I run a website for our CHE. I don't think these are things the company should be doing.

[Neovik1]

The response doesn't really indicate if it's good or bad. For all we know it could be a warning for scripting.

[JackWhisper]

Step 1: Tillmen gets banned for scripting.
Step 2: Tillmen stops supporting lich.
Step 3: Lich shuts down.
Step 4: Gemstone shuts down.

Fat fucking chance of Tillmen EVER getting in trouble. And I mean that in a good way. The fucking guy is the game's savior. His dick should have a gloryhole attached to it so Simu can access it whenever Tillmen isn't being treated like a godsend for their fucking wallets.

Fuck +1.

[Kaldonis]

The response doesn't really indicate if it's good or bad. For all we know it could be a warning for scripting.

I highly doubt that. I'm known for being verbose. Here's what I said earlier:


Besides what Vanessa said, this actually would not qualify as a violation of scripting policy so far as I know for basically responsible behavior. The character running around isn't gaining any benefit to you in-game, nor anyone else in-game directly. It's updating a website, which players use, which incidentally allows them to use the shops more easily. I've had a twitter bot running on F2P since near the release, which I've explicitly posted and advertised, and I have not had any claims of scripting violation (though this character essentially yields as minimal amount of game messaging as possible to anyone else). Granted, if you want to have it continuously running 24/7 running around town checking shops, that could certainly annoy people which would eventually lead to a policy violation of some kind. But if you ran the bot say, once per day, it's not really different than the status quo. Whenever I bother to run the updating script for player shops, I am usually AFK or staring at text flying so fast I can hardly read anything. I was not under the impression this is a policy violation (at least, not until we start reporting each other for updating player shops).

I guess if they were gonna hammer anyone, they'd flag me since I posted first, and also explained to someone how to do it right?

Also, now that we have the WL Annex, come back to Beacon you sluggard!

[Kaldonis]

Step 1: Tillmen gets banned for scripting.
Step 2: Tillmen stops supporting lich.
Step 3: Lich shuts down.
Step 4: Gemstone shuts down.

Fat fucking chance of Tillmen EVER getting in trouble. And I mean that in a good way. The fucking guy is the game's savior. His dick should have a gloryhole attached to it so Simu can access it whenever Tillmen isn't being treated like a godsend for their fucking wallets.

Fuck +1.

Well, I won't exactly agree with this. Let's just say, Tillmen isn't a goddamned moron, and he knows scripting policy really well. Why do you think his proposal involves invisible wizards?!

Tillmen could get soaped or banned "as easily" as anyone else. But he's not a guy likely to do so, IMO.

Generally, I agree to the concept you are after, though.

[Neovik1]

Nothing surprises me with Simu. I just wouldn't make any assumptions on what they will do next.

[Androidpk]

The strength of GemStone is as much in its customers, their efforts (say, this forum), the GMs, their time, as the game design itself.

Having an amazing community is not trivial at all.

This is an example of them using the "community" (i.e. Tillmen here) skills correctly. The original playershops were done by a GM, but he just hacked it in a similar way.



.

I'm assuming this is being done to keep the playershop websites (lich, viril) current?

[Androidpk]

What does your twitter bot do?

[Astray]

Nothing surprises me with Simu. I just wouldn't make any assumptions on what they will do next.

This.

[Kaldonis]

What does your twitter bot do?

Besides dying itself [Computer going offline...it's at work], I'll let you decide https://twitter.com/GSIVDeathLog

The character has no login/out messaging, hides at a table somewhere, and has no lnet.

[Kaldonis]

Nothing surprises me with Simu. I just wouldn't make any assumptions on what they will do next.


This.

Well, I didn't post to say what you are surprised about. It just happily surprised me.

I don't think I made any assumptions here. If you want one, yes I did assume they aren't gonna take a drill to their HDDs, whatever deprecated OS they are using like OS/2 I read?

[Soulance]

What's to say that if they do allow this they could just "hide" the character in the background and let them run around all they want without any interference to anyone.

[JackWhisper]

Besides dying itself [Computer going offline...it's at work], I'll let you decide https://twitter.com/GSIVDeathLog

The character has no login/out messaging, hides at a table somewhere, and has no lnet.

FUCK YEAH I'M NOT ON THERE!!!!

[Kaldonis]

What's to say that if they do allow this they could just "hide" the character in the background and let them run around all they want without any interference to anyone.

If by "they" you mean "Tillmen who is running piles of F2P accounts just because he is so cool and Simu is thinking to support his master plan in a vague way"...wait I digress.


FUCK YEAH I'M NOT ON THERE!!!!

I'm definitely on there. It's been running for several months. Are you sure?!

[JackWhisper]

If by "they" you mean "Tillmen who is running piles of F2P accounts just because he is so cool and Simu is thinking to support his master plan in a vague way"...wait I digress.



I'm definitely on there. It's been running for several months. Are you sure?!


yeah I rarely ever die. ROFL. Post-cap paladins are hilariously OP. When in danger, sigil of escape, and get pissed off at the world.

[Astray]

yeah I rarely ever die. ROFL. Post-cap paladins are hilariously OP. When in danger, sigil of escape, and get pissed off at the world.

Is there ever a point where a Post-cap paladin gets in trouble? Outside of crazy invasions?

[JackWhisper]

I've hunted everywhere, and I can honestly say, even with my spiffy gear, Confluence is an abfab fuck you to melees and squares.
Nelemar's cake.
OTF's cake.
Rift's cake.
Warcamp's cake.
Scatter is troublesome if I hunt south and someone else walks in without knowing I'm there. I immediately leave. The potential for swarming is just retarded. I can take on 2 or 3, but anything more and it gets dicey.

Invasion shit's actually easy until a GM throws down an insta-gib fuck you void/implosion. I don't even die to invasion greater e-waves anymore.

[Kaldonis]

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I'm assuming this is being done to keep the playershop websites (lich, viril) current?

Probably the first time I'm gonna say it publicly, but maybe no one cares about viril's page now? I almost wish there was a flag to turn off updating his page with the script. Virilneus as a characater is fucking dick to me, and his player has given me lolz once. Is he even active right now? He is a reasonably educated and useful player, and he had done something for the game upon a time. Yet his website is mostly deprecated now; it's mostly worth lolz for the forums he hosts where he berates GMs as if they were children. I have often supported a lot of concepts he has proposed (and I try to credit authors, as a rule) but, he's extreme by even my standards. Let's never mention this again.


yeah I rarely ever die. ROFL. Post-cap paladins are hilariously OP. When in danger, sigil of escape, and get pissed off at the world.

Fair. Kaldonis never died in the Citadel over like, 20 levels? My paladin over hunts, and his RP is a zealot so he kind of dies sometimes but a Voln Paladin cares not.

[Viekn]

For anyone that doesn't keep up on the officials (I guess I got that down, but I don't keep up here)...

Someone asked about playershops, websites etc. You know the drill. An early post misunderstands scripting policy, and I point out the basics. Other banter occurs.

Then Tillmen comes in and makes an offer I read as "kind of insane" because I don't see it will ever happen, despite being genius. And then we get this:

Quoting Tillmen: If a GM wanted to help, I would roll up 7 more F2P accounts, and a GM could bump them up to level 23 (to read level 50 scrolls), and apply however much death sting they like, and teleport them to the towns they're not allowed to be in. If someone wants to do this, let me know and I'll roll up the accounts.>>

Quoting Solomon: I'm going to drop you an email about this.

I'm just like, wooooooooooooow. Seriously?!?!

That's pretty fucking awesome if you ask me.

I've thrown Tillmen $10 for a sixer on at least one occasion because he's just awesome at doing this stuff and anyone who cares about the game and how much less tedious he's made it owes him at least that.

[Viekn]

It's just another example of SIMU relying on it's customers to do things that the company should be doing itself. Nothing special here.

It's called crowd sourcing now and it's pretty much accepted at this point.

[JackWhisper]

I've thrown Tillmen $10 for a sixer on at least one occasion because he's just awesome at doing this stuff and anyone who cares about the game and how much less tedious he's made it owes him at least that.

I threw him a small donation as well. He deserves it.

[Warriorbird]

For anyone that doesn't keep up on the officials (I guess I got that down, but I don't keep up here)...

Someone asked about playershops, websites etc. You know the drill. An early post misunderstands scripting policy, and I point out the basics. Other banter occurs.

Then Tillmen comes in and makes an offer I read as "kind of insane" because I don't see it will ever happen, despite being genius. And then we get this:

Quoting Tillmen: If a GM wanted to help, I would roll up 7 more F2P accounts, and a GM could bump them up to level 23 (to read level 50 scrolls), and apply however much death sting they like, and teleport them to the towns they're not allowed to be in. If someone wants to do this, let me know and I'll roll up the accounts.>>

Quoting Solomon: I'm going to drop you an email about this.

I'm just like, wooooooooooooow. Seriously?!?!

That's pretty fucking awesome if you ask me.

They eventually do intelligent stuff. I wish this thought process had been there during their last front end development cycle.

[Androidpk]

Besides dying itself [Computer going offline...it's at work], I'll let you decide https://twitter.com/GSIVDeathLog

The character has no login/out messaging, hides at a table somewhere, and has no lnet.

Hah, that is kind of neat.

[Androidpk]

Has anyone ever made it to cap without ever dying? Heal/pick bots excluded.

[JackWhisper]

I died 17 times on the road from birth to cap. 4 due to murders, 4 due to invasions, 1 from a GM fucking with me because I was talking shit to Night Mares, and the rest random hunting errors.

Unsure if that's good or not, but yeah.

Between capping and now, I've died more than twice that from fuck-you mechanics in invasions.

[Whirlin]

Simutronics definitely has a group of players that they're willing to cater to, and support in exchange for the support that the players provide the game. Tillmen is an example of someone that Simu has recognized as being a powerful, influential member of the player society who has proven to be an upstanding citizen that they want to keep happy. I appreciate that they're willing to recognize the players that help support their game, even if it means bending their rules once in a while.

[Kaldonis]

Has anyone ever made it to cap without ever dying? Heal/pick bots excluded.

Popping boxes was mostly the way Kaldonis died, in fact. I will pose the similar question, which is if anyone did the Cit from level 52 to 69 and didn't die. (I call it "20" or "15" levels, depending on my mood.) That Kaldonis did do. I mean, literally no dying at all. It's called scrolls, incidentally. Minus statistics, this should be fairly possible if you're super anal (as I was in that level range).


They eventually do intelligent stuff. I wish this thought process had been there during their last front end development cycle.

Their FE support is a fucking joke okay?

I haven't used an officially supported FE since, I don't even know when. Assume I oscillated before finally fucking off from them and that. I regularly used an officially supported FE in 2002, and I'm sure I've been using other ones on-and-off since 2006.

I have so much comments on their FEs that I might as well STFU. I did start a thread on highlights in Profanity about 10 minutes before this one?

[SHAFT]

It's just another example of SIMU relying on it's customers to do things that the company should be doing itself. Nothing special here.

Does Solomon get paid?

[Allereli]

Does Solomon get paid?

he's the Product Manager and part of on-site Simu staff. yes.

[Tgo01]

Solomon is one of like, what, 2 people who get paid who actually work on/with GS in some capacity?

By "paid" I mean an actual salary.

[Kaldonis]

Does Solomon get paid?

Probably. And who cares?

Also I'm just going to rant about FEs since it was brought up.

Wizard was okay for my PC in high school that ran Windows 95.

Avalon is a joke and anyone using Mac should find something else.

Stormfront is mostly decent if you have a big screen. Most the features are better done other ways, though noun underlining is helpful.

Warlock is fine for all OSes, but finally it's ugly and can't deal with my screen real estate, though SF fails badly.

I think too many players are stuck imagining they can only use some official FEs, etc. I really haven't used official FEs in a decade.

Profanity is where it's at for me, right now. No graphics, no mouse, regex highlighting. Didn't you know this is a text game? Yum.

[Kaldonis]

Solomon is one of like, what, 2 people who get paid who actually work on/with GS in some capacity?

By "paid" I mean an actual salary.

I knew you wouldn't quit.

[JackWhisper]

I knew you wouldn't quit.

Nobody can get rid of my favorite script writer.

NOBODY!!!
:axe:

[Kaldonis]

he's the Product Manager and part of on-site Simu staff. yes.

Ruh roh Vanessa. Someone shart repped me for using your "real" name and asked if I had "permission." Not like we do wiki editing or chat about random crap at odd hours, heaven forbid!

Time to bend over and poo on daid etc?

Always love these forums. LOL

[SHAFT]

I know people like to rag on the gm's and simu, I'm just happy the game is still around. I try not to take it for granted. I still enjoy playing. I hope it's around for many years to come.

[Tgo01]

I knew you wouldn't quit.

Odd thing to say in response to me stating facts.

[Kaldonis]

Though...since my shart rep asked



Why do you insist on using peoples real names?


It's because humans play this game. Ask anyone in Beacon Hall. I like to know a character's player's real name. It's just common courtesy. Kaldonis isn't posting here, k? If I talk to people on blast chats, I like to use their names because people are not their characters. If you can't get the difference of IC and OOC well, sad for you. Why would I need "permission" to use someone's real name in some kind of reply when it's well known? We all have handles on the internet. Did I give some deft secret away here? I feel confused.

I think this is just a sad case where you happen to not know anyone involved and are just feeling outside as a result.

I did find it a little odd lately that Conan likes to use "daid" on LNet when he responds to me. But he and I (and anyone who cares) would know I'm Kaldonis and Flail. I don't have any sense Vanessa has made her given name a private affair (her handle on the officials is also cumbersome). (If so, well, she can tell me by IM to STFU I guess.) This just makes no sense. It's not an attempt to be pompous. If you read the official forums I do it the same way, and typically reply to her that way. After like hundreds of posts, I'm quite sure she'd tell me to fuck off if using her "proper" name was some thing. If anything, it's weird for outsiders since some players know each other, or make an effort to know each other, which is really what this is all about. I like people to know me, and I like to get to know cool players, too. I also often cite her by her main character, since most people don't know that handle. But on the officials, lots of people have weird handles that are odd, so it's natural to just use some simpler name.

Make sense?

[Kaldonis]

Odd thing to say in response to me stating facts.

It's not really odd if I'm just having a bit of fun and happy to see you're active.

I agree it's odd generally. But I don't post on the PC. Take it as you will.

[Kaldonis]

I know people like to rag on the gm's and simu, I'm just happy the game is still around. I try not to take it for granted. I still enjoy playing. I hope it's around for many years to come.

It's only empirical evidence, but it seems to be a rule that GS players love to bitch more than most humans I've ever met.

I enjoy the game, too. And the bitching is at least a source of entertainment when my TV is broke.

[Tgo01]

It's not really odd if I'm just having a bit of fun and happy to see you're active.

Ahh sorry, I took your post the wrong way :p

[Kaldonis]

Ahh sorry, I took your post the wrong way :p

Well, I think you took it right in a sense, I'm kind of a dick but it's fairly equal opportunity.

But yeah, anyway. I agree it had nothing at all to do with your post. Because it didn't.

[Gelston]

It's only empirical evidence, but it seems to be a rule that GS players love to bitch more than most humans I've ever met.

I enjoy the game, too. And the bitching is at least a source of entertainment when my TV is broke.

Meh, it is about on par, actually, a lot less, then I've seen on graphical MMO forums.

[Tillmen]

My memory is too fuzzy to say who or when, but I believe it has been explicitly stated a few times in the past (cause we were worried about it before) that the scripting policy does not apply to scanning playershops. Also, the e-mail was not about the scripting policy.



His dick should have a gloryhole attached to it so Simu can access it whenever Tillmen isn't being treated like a godsend for their fucking wallets.

I think so Brain, but wouldn't a portable gloryhole be called a cockring?

[JackWhisper]

I think so Brain, but wouldn't a portable gloryhole be called a cockring?

No. There'd be nowhere to write SUCK HERE or FOR A GOOD TIME CALL NAIRDIN 8675309. You need surface area!

[Androidpk]

Google "portable glory hole"

[Thondalar]

I think so Brain, but wouldn't a portable gloryhole be called a cockring?

I think he meant you should have a wormhole-like distortion in the space-time continuum forming a direct link between your penis and the mouths of Simu devs.

("Thanks, Captain Obvious." "Don't thank me, since I haven't helped you in the least.")

[Taernath]

Google "portable glory hole"

http://revelationnow.net/wp-content/gallery/rachael_ray/skier_hand_signals_speed_ok.jpg

[Seran]

This entire thread has been nothing but nonsensical ravings by a single person, Kaldonis, who agrees with and talks to himself through the entire thread. I would be shocked if a single coherent theme could be had by reading a single one of these posts beyond Kaldonis patting himself on the back about his hunting ability.

[Thondalar]

This entire thread has been nothing but nonsensical ravings by a single person, Kaldonis, who agrees with and talks to himself through the entire thread. I would be shocked if a single coherent theme could be had by reading a single one of these posts beyond Kaldonis patting himself on the back about his hunting ability.

Really? That's all you got from this thread?

tsk tsk.

[omgitsjagen]

I threw him a small donation as well. He deserves it.

Where can I throw him some bones?

[Androidpk]

Where can I throw him some bones?

https://www.lichproject.org/donate.html

[omgitsjagen]

https://www.lichproject.org/donate.html

Thank you!

[Deathravin]

So I think we've established that Tillmen would do things for the Gemstone community for free, and that he's clearly vastly talented in programming and creative in his solutions.

Why not just give him employee-level access? Real database access and let him go hog wild building websites and in-game systems to help the community. If he needs to change the Stormfront tag code to help Lich, why not just give him access? If he wants to spend his time to build an in-game item exchange for shattered - why wouldn't you let him? If he wants to give Lich access to database information for room data that is currently hidden, let him.

I can think of a thousand awesome things somebody could do if they had access, skill and motivation for the GS community. The only thing standing in the way is their wish to be paid to do it - Tillmen's already shown he doesn't so much care about that.

I mean, hell, it's a 20 year old game and you have a person who still gives a shit. Just give the guy carte blanche.

[WRoss]

So I think we've established that Tillmen would do things for the Gemstone community for free, and that he's clearly vastly talented in programming and creative in his solutions.

Why not just give him employee-level access? Real database access and let him go hog wild building websites and in-game systems to help the community. If he needs to change the Stormfront tag code to help Lich, why not just give him access? If he wants to spend his time to build an in-game item exchange for shattered - why wouldn't you let him? If he wants to give Lich access to database information for room data that is currently hidden, let him.

I can think of a thousand awesome things somebody could do if they had access, skill and motivation for the GS community. The only thing standing in the way is their wish to be paid to do it - Tillmen's already shown he doesn't so much care about that.

I mean, hell, it's a 20 year old game and you have a person who still gives a shit. Just give the guy carte blanche.

I agree and second this notion.

[Neovik1]

So I think we've established that Tillmen would do things for the Gemstone community for free, and that he's clearly vastly talented in programming and creative in his solutions.

Why not just give him employee-level access? Real database access and let him go hog wild building websites and in-game systems to help the community. If he needs to change the Stormfront tag code to help Lich, why not just give him access? If he wants to spend his time to build an in-game item exchange for shattered - why wouldn't you let him? If he wants to give Lich access to database information for room data that is currently hidden, let him.

I can think of a thousand awesome things somebody could do if they had access, skill and motivation for the GS community. The only thing standing in the way is their wish to be paid to do it - Tillmen's already shown he doesn't so much care about that.

I mean, hell, it's a 20 year old game and you have a person who still gives a shit. Just give the guy carte blanche.


Without lich I probably wouldn't be playing Gemstone. Tillmen has done an awesome job!

[Tenlaar]

No probably about it for me, Lich has been why I'm still playing for years.

[Androidpk]

So I think we've established that Tillmen would do things for the Gemstone community for free, and that he's clearly vastly talented in programming and creative in his solutions.

Why not just give him employee-level access? Real database access and let him go hog wild building websites and in-game systems to help the community. If he needs to change the Stormfront tag code to help Lich, why not just give him access? If he wants to spend his time to build an in-game item exchange for shattered - why wouldn't you let him? If he wants to give Lich access to database information for room data that is currently hidden, let him.

I can think of a thousand awesome things somebody could do if they had access, skill and motivation for the GS community. The only thing standing in the way is their wish to be paid to do it - Tillmen's already shown he doesn't so much care about that.

I mean, hell, it's a 20 year old game and you have a person who still gives a shit. Just give the guy carte blanche.

Seriously. Make the dude a developer already.

[Fallen]

I think the issue is the position comes with a lot of strings attached (hour requirements, etc). If they waived those requirements for him, others might feel slighted. Same reason why they don't hire actual paid coders.

I don't believe in those arguments, but that's just a line of thinking i've heard before.

[Androidpk]

I thought those requirements were for GM's and hosts.

[Fallen]

I thought those requirements were for GM's and hosts.

You guys are talking about making a unique position with privileged access just for Tillmen? Again, I think the same arguments would arise (and again, I don't agree with them). Naos ran the original krakiipedia and Tsoran(?) ran playershops. Both were actual GMs.

[Allereli]

You guys are talking about making a unique position with privileged access just for Tillmen? Again, I think the same arguments would arise (and again, I don't agree with them). Naos ran the original krakiipedia and Tsoran(?) ran playershops. Both were actual GMs.

Tsoran was a GM? first I've heard of that.

[Astray]

You guys are talking about making a unique position with privileged access just for Tillmen? Again, I think the same arguments would arise (and again, I don't agree with them). Naos ran the original krakiipedia and Tsoran(?) ran playershops. Both were actual GMs.

So... you're saying we make Tillmen a GM? Good idea! Present him with the sash and tiara!

[Fallen]

So... you're saying we make Tillmen a GM? Good idea! Present him with the sash and tiara!

He may not want the position due to all the other requirements. He hasn't been one up until now. No idea if he's ever applied.

[Astray]

He may not want the position due to all the other requirements.

...bigger sash and a smaller tiara?

[Allereli]

He may not want the position due to all the other requirements.

like the one that bars 3rd party software use on a GM account? :)

[Androidpk]

like the one that bars 3rd party software use on a GM account? :)

Maybe Solomon wants to buy lich.

[DaCapn]

So I think we've established that Tillmen would do things for the Gemstone community for free, and that he's clearly vastly talented in programming and creative in his solutions.

Why not just give him employee-level access? Real database access and let him go hog wild building websites and in-game systems to help the community. If he needs to change the Stormfront tag code to help Lich, why not just give him access? If he wants to spend his time to build an in-game item exchange for shattered - why wouldn't you let him? If he wants to give Lich access to database information for room data that is currently hidden, let him.

I can think of a thousand awesome things somebody could do if they had access, skill and motivation for the GS community. The only thing standing in the way is their wish to be paid to do it - Tillmen's already shown he doesn't so much care about that.

I mean, hell, it's a 20 year old game and you have a person who still gives a shit. Just give the guy carte blanche.

I'll be one to go against the motion. If he is given any kind of access to their back-end, everything he does will have to go through QC. I think the fact that Tillmen doesn't have to answer to anyone is a big component of his productivity. In my estimation, he makes very deliberate and well reasoned decisions. I don't want another person wedging themselves in there either.

If you make the argument that the entire philosophy of Simu is turned upside down and inside out to facilitate a more bottom-up model, I'll grant you your fantasy and share it with you but I won't entertain it as realistic.

If there was another workable model where he could get thrown a bone somehow without changing how he's allowed to operate, I'd be more for it.

[Tillmen]

He may not want the position due to all the other requirements. He hasn't been one up until now. No idea if he's ever applied.

I half-applied a long time ago. After the normal application there's an essay question type thing, and I applied during finals week, and I wasn't about to write yet another essay. So, I don't think anyone ever saw the application, since it was incomplete.

The only reason I haven't tried again is because of what everyone says about the pay. If I thought a GM position would even pay minimum wage, I'd jump all over it. I just can't justify adding yet another time sink without actually being able to pay the bills. While the hour requirements for being a GM are pretty low, I don't think I'd be able to stop myself from going overboard and spending all my time fixing/creating everything.

[Viekn]

I half-applied a long time ago. After the normal application there's an essay question type thing, and I applied during finals week, and I wasn't about to write yet another essay. So, I don't think anyone ever saw the application, since it was incomplete.

The only reason I haven't tried again is because of what everyone says about the pay. If I thought a GM position would even pay minimum wage, I'd jump all over it. I just can't justify adding yet another time sink without actually being able to pay the bills. While the hour requirements for being a GM are pretty low, I don't think I'd be able to stop myself from going overboard and spending all my time fixing/creating everything.

They should just use contract work then on an as needed basis. They could pay you more than they normally would for a GM but since the contract would have a time limitation, it would end up costing them less in the long run than if they hired you as GM, and you could be sure you were getting the proper pay for the time you decided to spend. Win-win situation.

[Luxelle]

Yea ... I try to search Twitter every week or so for #GemstoneIV hashtags, I haven't seen any...

Tweeting in the middle of RP or an event is SO intrusive. Tell me more!

~L.

[Luftstreitkräfte]

If Tillmen becomes a Dev I will re-activate

[Deathravin]

I don't think I'd be able to stop myself from going overboard and spending all my time fixing/creating everything.

Phew! It's a good thing then. A motivated go-getter coming in and fixing everything just sounds terrible >_<

The last thing we want is Simu shoving such a drastic change to their standard business practices down our throats.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying GMs aren't motivated or creative. They clearly are for a time. But I think they seem to tend to fall more toward the creative side and not so much toward the technical side.

Though that is likely not their fault, as I hear the code is a bear, and QC is though.

Even if we gave him read-only at first. Even if only so he can get the player shops updated without the stupid requirement of running a character around every day (a substantially OOC situation I might add).

[DaCapn]

Even if we gave him read-only at first. Even if only so he can get the player shops updated without the stupid requirement of running a character around every day (a substantially OOC situation I might add).

Naos implemented a shop site to this effect already (I think it had an hourly pull schedule). It lacked a number of key features that the current database uses (full details about the item for start!) but it was able to add other information we don't have access to such as how many items were stacked. Once he stepped down and lost access to whatever back-end he created, the site just rotted away. So it already basically existed but... Here we are!

[Gammit]

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I'm assuming this is being done to keep the playershop websites (lich, viril) current?

Yup, that was the goal in the original thread.

[Kembal]

Naos implemented a shop site to this effect already (I think it had an hourly pull schedule). It lacked a number of key features that the current database uses (full details about the item for start!) but it was able to add other information we don't have access to such as how many items were stacked. Once he stepped down and lost access to whatever back-end he created, the site just rotted away. So it already basically existed but... Here we are!

No backend. Since any character on a GM's account gets to see a lot more detail than a regular character, he just ran characters around the different shop areas.

This really is a simple problem for Simu to solve.