No words to describe this either..

[Prestius]

"The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election"

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17898

Where's that liberally biased press when you need it? This should be front page news.

-P

[Latrinsorm]

Probably waiting for things like "confirmation", "facts", etc. Nobody wants to be another Rather.

[Chelle]

Yeah it's a pain in the ass to gather confirmation and facts, RATHER than flying off the handle and just blurting shit out.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Chelle
Yeah it's a pain in the ass to gather confirmation and facts, RATHER than flying off the handle and just blurting shit out.

Glad you are starting to see the errors of George W Bush, Chelle. Because this is exactly what he does, he doesn't confirm - he surrounds himself with yes men and women and gets rid of those who challenge him or his viewpoints.

This president doesn't even know the difference between Switzerland and Sweden in terms of whether they have an army and if they are neutral.

[Chelle]

I figured you would be the first to respond to my post. :lol:

It's funny when people get predictable.

In any case I respect your opinion. We obviously differ and that is okay.

[Prestius]

Umm .. this isn't some wild-haired conspiracy.

This is the Inspector General of CIA's Report on 9/11.

If we are *really* interested in what happened on 9/11 why don't they just release the report? Or .. is protecting the current administration politically more important than the truth?

-P

I'd like to see "Working for Change"'s credentials. I'd also like to know how reliable the source is. I'd also like confirmation.

- Arkans

[Jack]

I'm guessing that Working for a Change is a liberal website with the stated goal of ensuring George Bush is not re-elected.

[Edited on 10-19-2004 by Jack]

[Prestius]

Actually .. the columnist is Robert Scheer who does editorials for the L.A. Times. In fact that's where I read the article, in this morning's newpaper.

Yes .. he is a left-leaning columnist, but I ask you .. do you think information about what our government was doing as it relates to 9/11 is a partisan question?

-P

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Jack
I'm guessing that Working for a Change is a liberal website with the stated goal of ensuring George Bush is not re-elected.

[Edited on 10-19-2004 by Jack]

So does that mean that the info is automatically false? Or does that mean you question and see if there's any truth to it?

[Edited on 10-19-2004 by TheRoseLady]

[Cayge]

Regardless of who Working for Change may be biased for and against, there already has been numerous reports of the administrations lack of interest in domestic terrorism pre-9/11 long before this. I am utterly baffled how anyone, regardless of 9/11 can blindly support an administration that has is so blatant in hiding, and distorting the facts and selling this whole country on a useless war, and fear of another attack from the "unseen enemy". If I could stay truly neutral in this election I would, and not vote at all but, its my right to do so and I am more willing to give a liberal a chance than take 4 more years of someone with no useful foreign policy, no vocabulary skills, and John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld in his cabinet.

Goodbye, nice to know you

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Prestius
Yes .. he is a left-leaning columnist, but I ask you .. do you think information about what our government was doing as it relates to 9/11 is a partisan question?

-P


Most conservative leaners (not all) around here like to accuse you of "googling" for positions, state that the "media" is so liberal that whatever your source it can't be believed - (I was even challenged on factcheck.org) and lastly, if they have no response basically they will resort to insults and diversion.

The last must be a direct emulation of the one that they support, W.

I'm glad to see yourself and Cayge speaking up.

[TheRoseLady]

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer19oct19,1,6762967.column?coll=la-util-op-ed)

Direct from the LA Times as Prestius mentioned.

[CrystalTears]

Which you have to register for. <stares>

[Jack]

If your asking me if I think the CIA should immediately declassify all information regarding the attacks on September 11, 2001, I have to say no. The War on Terror is ongoing, releasing classified information at this point would be counter-productive. I don't belive it remains classified due to the upcoming election, but due to the fact that we still have troops in Afghanistan, and Iraq. By releasing information we compromise ourselves, and put our troops at risk. If you want to belive it's classified due to the election, you are entitled to that by all means.

[Ravenstorm]

What was that site to let you view papers without registering? I have no problem usually but this one requires phone and address and they can go screw themselves.

Raven

[TheRoseLady]

http://www.bugmenot.com

Login for LATimes

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[Edited on 10-20-2004 by TheRoseLady]

[Back]

This is an old story actually. Too lazy to find the post with the link... but it was talked about right after the 9/11 Commission released their report, and the Senate Intellegence Committee’s report that followed closely behind.

Its a sad day when America’s press is not considered the most fair and un-biased in the world. It’s even sadder when people claim there is some sort of conspiratorial agenda to some of the most respected news sources in the world. We are moving closer to fascism folks, every day.

To expose a failing of our government, with clear fact, gets met with cries of left-wing liberalism, biased reporting and anti-patriotism. Or, even worse, gets buried by the owners of the multibillion dollar coporations that own the broadcast media. The real stories get supressed quickly to maintain an everything-is-a-ok consumer mindset for the masses.

The division in this country is not about conservatives and liberals. Its not about the left and the right. We are all so much closer to center than some would have us believe.

This is Capital Tyranny. Capitalism for the few, fascism for the rest. An ever growing class system that harks back to soviet communism in another guise thats accepted by the apathetic and those with retention inability.

The only answer is to keep shouting, kicking, screaming and fighting the system of estabilishment oppression. Never stop trying to prove them wrong or stop uncovering thier lies or quit reminding them what happened just yesterday. Their greed and deception will never stop. So meet it head on.

[Cayge]

I wont quote you Backlash, too long to do so. Well fucking said though, I agree 100% especially with the statement on failure of government. Its too often I see ANYTHING that speaks of a failure on this administration's behalf [Congresss also, which is part democrat, people] as "Left-Wing Liberalism" and the work of "Zealous Conspiracy Theorists". You're damn right in meeting them head on. My personal list of fuck you's goes to Mr. Bush and his cabinet, Bill O' Reilly and Fox Media Corp., you make me sick to my stomach.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Chelle
Yeah it's a pain in the ass to gather confirmation and facts, RATHER than flying off the handle and just blurting shit out.

Glad you are starting to see the errors of George W Bush, Chelle. Because this is exactly what he does, he doesn't confirm - he surrounds himself with yes men and women and gets rid of those who challenge him or his viewpoints.



Come on now TRL.. you can't have it both ways. Either Bush is a puppet and the men he has surrounding him are pulling the strings.. or Bush is the real brains behind everything and he has surrounded himself with men who will take his word for everything.

So.. which is it?

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Chelle
Yeah it's a pain in the ass to gather confirmation and facts, RATHER than flying off the handle and just blurting shit out.

Glad you are starting to see the errors of George W Bush, Chelle. Because this is exactly what he does, he doesn't confirm - he surrounds himself with yes men and women and gets rid of those who challenge him or his viewpoints.



Come on now TRL.. you can't have it both ways. Either Bush is a puppet and the men he has surrounding him are pulling the strings.. or Bush is the real brains behind everything and he has surrounded himself with men who will take his word for everything.

So.. which is it?

Humor impaired today PB? Maybe you miss spending quality time with those who care about you. :yes:

But to answer your question, I've never said Bush was a puppet. That would be the liberal media that you villify. Rove is quite a mastermind political strategist - but I think that most everyone knows that this President doesn't do it all alone, it's a cartel like effort. Even the best puppet handler wouldn't have had Bush in the debates going from petulant childlike man to angry man to crazed man. :lol:

[xtc]

Originally posted by Prestius
"The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election"

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17898

Where's that liberally biased press when you need it? This should be front page news.

-P

It seems the liberally bias press is reorting this story. The LA Times did and if you read the story from your link you would have seen The New York Times ran this story September

"In September, the New York Times reported that several family members met with Goss privately to demand the release of the CIA inspector general's report. "Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable," 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser told the paper"


So don't worry your liberally bias press is doing it's liberally bias job.

[Back]

Liberal bias is an oxymoron invented by neocons to discredit dangerous news stories about them.

[Prestius]

Originally posted by Backlash
Liberal bias is an oxymoron invented by neocons to discredit dangerous news stories about them.

Indeed. Regardless, I don't see this as a "liberal vs. conservative" story. This is about finding out what happened on 9/11 so we can do what it takes to stop it from happening again. WIthholding the report may very well be a partisan move, but reporting on it surely isn't.

BTW .. this story picks up a little more steam:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cia20oct20,1,7991083.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

Lawmakers Prod CIA for Pre-9/11 Accountability Report

WASHINGTON — The ranking members of the House Intelligence Committee have asked the CIA to turn over an internal report on whether agency employees should be held accountable for intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks, congressional officials said Tuesday.

The CIA has not responded to the request, raising concerns among some Democrats in Congress that the report is being withheld to avoid embarrassment for the Bush administration in the final weeks before the presidential election.

The report was drafted in response to a demand from Congress nearly two years ago for the CIA to conduct an internal inquiry into the performance of agency personnel before the attacks. The agency was asked "to determine whether and to what extent personnel at all levels should be held accountable" for intelligence breakdowns cataloged in a joint congressional investigation of Sept. 11.

No agency employee has been fired or faced other disciplinary measures in connection with Sept. 11 inquiries, a fact that has frustrated critics of the CIA and relatives of those who were killed in the attacks.

A U.S. intelligence official said Tuesday that the document had not been provided to Congress because it was not complete. "The report is just a draft," the official said. "It's not yet finished, and the matter is still under review." The official declined to elaborate.

But congressional officials voiced skepticism and said that mounting frustration with the agency had prompted the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), and the ranking Democrat, Rep. Jane Harman of Venice, to send a letter to the CIA two weeks ago directing the agency to deliver the report.

The existence of the letter was first reported Tuesday in the Los Angeles Times in an opinion column by Robert Scheer. The column quoted Harman as saying, "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report. We are very concerned."

Congressional officials said they were told that the CIA inspector general's office had completed the report in the summer, but that it would not be turned over because of a request by then-acting CIA Director John E. McLaughlin for additional information on the report's contents.

"The concern here is that this [delay] has gone from days to weeks to months," a senior congressional aide said on condition of anonymity. "We're concerned that the work of the inspector general not be altered or censored or in any way precluded from coming over here."

The ranking members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and John D. "Jay" Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), also have inquired about the report, but have not written a letter asking for it to be turned over, aides said.

The FBI conducted a similar inquiry and has provided a copy of its report to congressional committees, aides said. The FBI has not disciplined any of its employees in connection with Sept. 11, officials said.

The scuffle over the CIA report could pose a problem for the CIA's new director, Porter J. Goss, who now is head of the agency he helped investigate when he was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Goss, a former Republican congressman from Florida, was a principal member of the joint congressional inquiry into Sept. 11 intelligence failures. The report was sharply critical of the CIA, and the request for an internal investigation of employee accountability was among the dozens of recommendations in that congressional probe.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Backlash
Liberal bias is an oxymoron invented by neocons to discredit dangerous news stories about them.

Come on you don't think most urban papers have a liberal bias. NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post etc.

A poll was done in which is only 4% of newspaper reporters identified themselves as pro-life. Now this in contrast to the rest of the country which 50% is pro life